Ozzie apologizes for what???

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    Non, je suis de descendance irlandaise.
     
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    Je suis Francaise et irlandaise. Ca va mon frere?
     
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         My parents are from Ireland, carnie, so I have little patience for British colonial tyranny or any kind of colonial tyranny, including the more contemporary version of same that we see with US global hegemony today...I have a lot of ancestors who were victims of the Great Hunger in Ireland from 1845-1852 when England exported potatoes while the Irish starved to death, and quite a number of later Caseys and Murphys who were part of the Irish rebellion...In this era we have had pharmaceutical companies fighting the right of African governments to make generic versions of HIV medication because it would cut into their profits, while the non-generic medication is not affordable by any means...So what if thousands die as a result...Just a snippet of the insanity when the Almighty Dollar rules all...      But I will try to keep from getting any more political here..It is a baseball forum, after all...The Ozzie thing just got my goat and I felt like I had to say something...      BTW, carnie, one of my favorite a cappella singing groups, the Roches, also did a lovely cover of "Acadian Driftwood"...I gotta get up for work tomorrow, so I am off to bed...Have a good night, my man... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFXoJISra4w&feature=related
    Posted by teilhardian
    That's mostly the other half of my family. On my dad's side they're almost all Scots-Irish, and I can honestly say I picked many a potato growing up in Maine. Anyway sleep well and I hope we talk again before you have to pay up on your bet. Cool
     
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    Je suis aussi de l'Allemand. C'est un plaisir de rencontrer un collègue Sox du ventilateur.
     
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    Mon plaisir tout à fait.
     
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    I have Cuban relatives whose family escaped Cuba many years ago, and they are here generations later. I remember stitting on their laps as a child singing "Feliz Navidad" on Christmas. The most fun-loving, classy, beautiful people you could ever meet. Having said that, I know as much about Cuban politics as I know about our own. Politics is not something I've ever really gotten into, and for a reason. It would probably just make you crazy, since it's all relatively corrupt.

    I do know that some of their ancestors were big-time pirates down in Key West, and so, I'm assuming that would mean some of mine to a degree. That's pretty wild.

     
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    Now, having said that, why wouldn't a Yankee fan put this thread up on a Yankee board? What makes this Red Sox board the place for all baseball news, as well as religious and/or political news for Yankee fans?

    IMO this board is treated with complete disrespect as far as the home team is concerned. It's just a whatever they want to talk about forum to them.

    My guess is Yankee fans won't have that on their board. So, why should we have it here? It's not like there isn't enough to talk about with this team. My advice? Find a board where your topics fit. I believe there is a board on this site for all other team news. Put your threads up there, since I'm sure it's there for a reason.

     
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    Castro is not someone to look up to (yes he is a murderer), but the embargo should have been lifted the minute the USSR became a failed state. The exiles in Miami have been a pain in the azz for decades from what I can tell.... the fact some of them are "demanding" Ozzie lose his job for speaking his mind is ludicrous if not criminal.


     
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    Ozzie should have lost his job when he went public with personal information about a player on his team, and enlisted his son to broadcast the information as well. I still can't believe he go another job. Maybe they felt he wouldn't do that to those players. Who knows?

    I do believe you should be able to speak your mind about politics no matter how offensive. It should be everyone's right, and I thought it was. I'm not a fan of silencing people because of a majority vote (obviously). Anyone coming to this country should not be able to change that right that supposedly exists here.
     
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    I guess it's not safe for a manager to speak highly of Fidel in the rabidly right-wing politcal climate of anti-castro Cuban Miami....Have there been human rights abuses in Cuba durning his tenure.  Of course.  But people forget that US policymakers had been trying to assasinate, overthrow and otherwise terminate this man for decades...People also forget that Cuba was a mob-run sewer under Batista where poverty, prostitution and malnutrition were rampant....Because of Castro, the US failed to keep Cuba safe for the American mafia, and many paid the price....I give Guillen credit for leaving his team to return to Miami and "apologizing" so the political firestorm can be put out...But the repressive censorship at work here is sad...Never dare challenge the dominant culture where Castro is demonized for lifting his people out of an economic abyss, and surviving despite a crippling US embargo for years....      A manager should be able to at least express a political opinion without being vilified and threatened with the loss of his job....It is a shame Ozzie has to lower himself to the level of bowing to the right-wing in Miami, but that is where we are today in the land of the free....
    Posted by teilhardian


    In the end Ozzie's comment's fall under the things you should never say aloud category or as my brother in law once told me on the day of my marriage. When he said, the best advice I can give you is never say something you can't take back. Clearly his comments weren't in support of Castro's politics. He simply marveled at the resilience of the most hated man in the western hemisphere who today inspite of the sanctions imposed by the US, the fall of the USSR and what many believe to be a walking target with a bounty on his head. Has remained in power for more than 60 years...

    Where Guillen erred is that there is still a generation of Cubans, who fled Cuba before, during after the revolution that live in South Florida. Many that see Castro (to quote Dan Lebitard on ESPN) "as thier Hitler". So while you and I can dismiss his comments or given our constitution, we can even if we chose to defend his right to free speech. However, I am not of Cuban decent. Thus it is not my place to speak to the feelings of those that are and an appology is the 1st step in trying to make it right...Hurtful words hurt...Those that have lost family members and or still have deep roots in Cuba. That today still can't reconnect with generation of family members this issue might be for them tougher to just dismiss...
     
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    People misinterpret free speech all the time.  Free speech means you aren't going to be trialed, murdered and persecuted for having different beliefs but it doesn't mean there are not consequences for what you say...especially when we evaluate freedom of speech of context vs. venue. 

    Ozzie had every right to say what he wanted to, and now one should kill him or put him in jail.  But at the same time, he is a public figure in a franchise and wears the uniform of a team that represents a city where Castro is there Osama bin Laden, or their Hitler.  

    A vast majority of the population in Miami are people who have left Cuba for a reason, have family who have been imprisoned and murdered by Casto's regime.  Context and Venue here....if Ozzie's actions are going to hurt ticket sales then I think Miami should and have every right to fire Ozzie.

    Firing Ozzie is the right decision. 
     
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    What the management of the Marlins needs to comprehend, is that the people of Miami are not going to be placated by whatever spin falls out of Ozzie's mouth today. They will recognize it as a last ditch effort to save his job, and the protests will continue to grow. They need to cut their losses NOW and fire him. His admitted alcoholism is just another reason, and it certainly explains his behavioral history of foolishness. The Marlins have gone all in,  and don't need any negative distractions.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ozzie apologizes for what??? : Thank you, my signature is meant to be offensive. Especially to reactionary fascists. And that's the last thing I'll say about politics on this forum. Posted by carnie
    I find your sig line offensive as well
     
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    Ask Luis Tiant how he feels about Castro?
     
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    Cuba still has places that are so expensive for an average Cuban that these places of businesses patronage only comes from tourist. They even fly in chefs from all around the world and pay them much higher than their Cuban counter parts. For all the education the average Cuban receives they have very little in the sciences and engineering to show for it.
     
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    I think when you work for someone and your comments have an influence on gross sales, one should watch what they say.  I never discuss sensitive issues with my clients. If they bring up politics, I try to dodge the conversation.

    Tim Thomas made some political statements and I am sure the Bruins front office had something to say to him.  He no longer expresses his personal opinions on the gov.

    I think if you are not Cuban and have not lived there, then you really don't understand.
     
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    What the management of the Marlins needs to comprehend, is that the people of Miami are not going to be placated by whatever spin falls out of Ozzie's mouth today. They will recognize it as a last ditch effort to save his job, and the protests will continue to grow. They need to cut their losses NOW and fire him. His admitted alcoholism is just another reason, and it certainly explains his behavioral history of foolishness. The Marlins have gone all in,  and don't need any negative distractions.
    Posted by Teakus

    Firing him is not the answer.  If you aren't from Miami then you have no idea how they will react.
    As far as his statement, I was just saying other day that compare to some of these dictators in the middle east, castro is a saint.
    Europeans have been going to Cuba for years, and here is a news flash, so have Americans.  Americans can now travel to Cuba for religious reasons.
     
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    The US was playing both sides against the middle when Bautista was overthrown by Castro.
    Casto had good intentions, he hated the corruption and wanted Cubans to be free.......we see how that turned out.
    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely! Obama has good intentions too.
     
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    what ctredsoxfanhugh said.

    Free speech means the GOVERNMENT cannot punish you for speaking your mind. The Marlins are well within their rights to punish Ozzie for the same.
     
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    what ctredsoxfanhugh said. Free speech means the GOVERNMENT cannot punish you for speaking your mind. The Marlins are well within their rights to punish Ozzie for the same.
    Posted by Roadrunner9234

    In the communist paradise that is Castro's Cuba , the government can and will punish you for speaking your mind. The pseudo intellectual socialists in this country just will not face the reality of it.  Bottom line : People will risk their lives to come to this country, legally or illegally. We are all free to leave , but virtually no one wants to leave, despite all the complaining.  With Castro's Cuba , people will risk their lives to flee the country for a better life. The Cuban government does all it can to force them to stay. Virtually no one from the U.S.A. wants to move to Cuba.  That is the difference between a free country and a dictatorship.  Any fair minded person with common sense knows this. There is no sense arguing with the far left eggheads.
     
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    There is no question, whatsoever, that Castro supporters and sympathizes always vote Democrat. And that should tell every voter all he or she needs to know.
     
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    I guess it's not safe for a manager to speak highly of Fidel in the rabidly right-wing politcal climate of anti-castro Cuban Miami....Have there been human rights abuses in Cuba durning his tenure.  Of course.  But people forget that US policymakers had been trying to assasinate, overthrow and otherwise terminate this man for decades...People also forget that Cuba was a mob-run sewer under Batista where poverty, prostitution and malnutrition were rampant....Because of Castro, the US failed to keep Cuba safe for the American mafia, and many paid the price....I give Guillen credit for leaving his team to return to Miami and "apologizing" so the political firestorm can be put out...But the repressive censorship at work here is sad...Never dare challenge the dominant culture where Castro is demonized for lifting his people out of an economic abyss, and surviving despite a crippling US embargo for years....      A manager should be able to at least express a political opinion without being vilified and threatened with the loss of his job....It is a shame Ozzie has to lower himself to the level of bowing to the right-wing in Miami, but that is where we are today in the land of the free....
    Posted by teilhardian


    Are you kidding me?  He's a horrible communist dictator.
     
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    Thanks, moon...I was impressed by that Teilhard course you took at Notre Dame...Not sure if you saw the response to your post, but I wondered aloud if you remember the professor's name, and how sympathetic he was to Chardin...Anyway, thanks again...

    I think his name was LaPointe or LaPierre. He was obviously a Teilhard fan. I was fascinated by Teilhard's ideas, especially after just finishing a course on Existentialism. (I missed your comment earlier.)
     
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    Americans debating Castro is an amusing thing.  Almost as amusing as South/Central Americans debating the USA.  Here are some things to consider, all of which I believe to be true:
    - Castro is/was better than his predecessor
    - Castro has done truly bad things
    - Castro's crimes are minor compared to many others the US has openly supported
    - Those who left Cuba have valid reasons for hating Castro
    - Cuba would be better off if both the Castro brothers and their octagenarian cohort simply disappeared.
    - The US embargo of Cuba is a disgrace
    - US opposition to Castro is the main reason for his larger than life reputation ... both to his followers and those who hate him.
    - US opposition to Castro is the #1 reason communism remains in Cuba
    - Communism is a joke ... so is Ozzie Guillen
     
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    I guess it's not safe for a manager to speak highly of Fidel in the rabidly right-wing politcal climate of anti-castro Cuban Miami....Have there been human rights abuses in Cuba durning his tenure.  Of course.  But people forget that US policymakers had been trying to assasinate, overthrow and otherwise terminate this man for decades...People also forget that Cuba was a mob-run sewer under Batista where poverty, prostitution and malnutrition were rampant....Because of Castro, the US failed to keep Cuba safe for the American mafia, and many paid the price....I give Guillen credit for leaving his team to return to Miami and "apologizing" so the political firestorm can be put out...But the repressive censorship at work here is sad...Never dare challenge the dominant culture where Castro is demonized for lifting his people out of an economic abyss, and surviving despite a crippling US embargo for years....      A manager should be able to at least express a political opinion without being vilified and threatened with the loss of his job....It is a shame Ozzie has to lower himself to the level of bowing to the right-wing in Miami, but that is where we are today in the land of the free....
    Posted by teilhardian


    You and Ozzie both have delusions of adequacy
     
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