Paps epitomizes fire in the belly.
I think his burning motivation enhances his stuff.
I was for/am for retaining him and I think the FO will seriously entertain this idea after the season.
Papelbon - 200 saves
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 6/10/2011 4:36 AM EDT
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 6/10/2011 8:33 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:Paps epitomizes fire in the belly. I think his burning motivation enhances his stuff. I was for/am for retaining him and I think the FO will seriously entertain this idea after the season.
Posted by harness
I'm on the fence when it comes to bringing Pap back. I would love to have him but the price may be a bit high. As a closer he still saves the majority of his games but this years PS may be his last chance to stay in Boston. He needs to save the big games down the stretch and in the PS and I'm not sure he still can, especially in the "one run" games. -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 6/10/2011 7:56 PM EDT
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I think the tougher the situation, the greater the chance it brings out the best in him.
But inking him to a 4-year deal at high cost will have it's drawbacks, I agree.
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 7:37 AM EDT
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Rivera blew a save on Sunday and was unavailable for last night's game with soreness in his right arm.
If Rivera struggles or has health issues in the second half, and Soriano and Joba both with problems, this could make the Yankees serious contenders for a free agent Papelbon. All things considered Papelbon has been one of the real money closers in the game and he appears to be back in top form.
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 7:41 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:Rivera blew a save on Sunday and was unavailable for last night's game with soreness in his right arm. If Rivera struggles or has health issues in the second half, and Soriano and Joba both with problems, this could make the Yankees serious contenders for a free agent Papelbon. All things considered Papelbon has been one of the real money closers in the game and he appears to be back in top form. Would the thought of serious interest from the Yankees entice the Sox to offer Paps an extension?
Posted by Hfxsoxnut
If Mo struggles in the 2nd half, Boston should win the division. I refuse to look beyond that! -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 8:34 AM EDT
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Sox fans view Papelbon as this stupid arrogant redneck who is overrated and overpaid. Posted by betterredthandead
red neck ?.............naaaaa
IMO I see him more of an HB
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 8:50 AM EDT
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I have said for two years running now to all those Sox fans who want Paps to leave, "for your lips to God's ear". As a Yankee fan, I for one would be very happy not seeing Paps come in to finish a game for Boston. He is a premeir closer and anyone who doesn't see that is blind to the game. -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 9:35 AM EDT
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Great picture, zac...love it. -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 10:17 AM EDT
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thanks nut
as far as resigning paps
it's probably more about if you can replace bard
that said
I think the new CBA is key
we all know how theo loves his draft picks but
if the rumors of no more draft compensation for loosing FA relievers
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 10:52 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:Elsewhere is an older thread complaining about Pap not getting 1-2-3 innings to close, and I defended him by citing the 200 saves stat, which was reported in the Globe Tues night/Wed morning. I also used it when chiming in on whether he should be re-signed at the end of this season. --- Max --------------------------------------------- Max, to be honest, your post is what made me look for a thread in the first place. Since it happened the day before, I thought there would be a thread. When I saw there wasn't, I started this one. I was tempted to say something about you, but I didn't know if you wanted to start a thread about it, so I left you out. jsyk I also agree about Paps. He is a natural closer. He loves when the heat is on, and everything is on the line. So, you're right, he doesn't fit other situations. I'm still extremely happy to have him as our closer, and hope they do find a way to keep him around after this season.Posted by kimsaysthis
He certainly showed it in his last playoff performance......2 yrs ago...
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 11:08 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:Elsewhere is an older thread complaining about Pap not getting 1-2-3 innings to close, and I defended him by citing the 200 saves stat, which was reported in the Globe Tues night/Wed morning. I also used it when chiming in on whether he should be re-signed at the end of this season. --- Max --------------------------------------------- Max, to be honest, your post is what made me look for a thread in the first place. Since it happened the day before, I thought there would be a thread. When I saw there wasn't, I started this one. I was tempted to say something about you, but I didn't know if you wanted to start a thread about it, so I left you out. jsyk I also agree about Paps. He is a natural closer. He loves when the heat is on, and everything is on the line. So, you're right, he doesn't fit other situations. I'm still extremely happy to have him as our closer, and hope they do find a way to keep him around after this season.Posted by kimsaysthis
Yup...as evidenced by his last playoff performance....2 yrs ago.
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 11:24 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves : Yup...as evidenced by his last playoff performance....2 yrs ago.
Posted by --The----Babe----
Obviously he blew that game sky-high, but his total postseason numbers are a 1.00 ERA and a .82 WHIP. That puts him in Mo's league. And even Mo has blown a couple of big postseason games. -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/5/2011 2:00 PM EDT
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Mariano Rivera is in a class by himself. But you gotta admire what Pap has done, including the postseason. The Babe, once again, reveals he doesn't know much, which is why the Yankees never let him manage--too ignorant. -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/6/2011 3:44 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:Sox fans view Papelbon as this stupid arrogant redneck who is overrated and overpaid. Posted by betterredthandead red neck ?.............naaaaa IMO I see him more of an HB
Posted by pinstripezac32
Zac, maybe you forgot what board you're on. You're not a Sox fan on this board -- at least not under that name. You probably thought you were on another Sox board where you pretend to be a Sox fan. I know it must get confusing for you.
Btw, a tribute thread for a Boston player doing well, and we have to deal with a Yankee fan putting up mocking pics about geography and where he was born. No way this flies on any other team board.
I think all posters who aren't 16 or older emotionally should find a board where they find these kinds of things amusing. -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/6/2011 9:45 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves : Zac, maybe you forgot what board you're on. You're not a Sox fan on this board -- at least not under that name. You probably thought you were on another Sox board where you pretend to be a Sox fan. I know it must get confusing for you. Btw, a tribute thread for a Boston player doing well, and we have to deal with a Yankee fan putting up mocking pics about geography and where he was born. No way this flies on any other team board. I think all posters who aren't 16 or older emotionally should find a board where they find these kinds of things amusing.Posted by kimsaysthis
We can't forget what board we are on BECAUSE YOU REMIND US OF IT IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSTS.
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/6/2011 9:48 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves : Zac, maybe you forgot what board you're on. You're not a Sox fan on this board -- at least not under that name. You probably thought you were on another Sox board where you pretend to be a Sox fan. I know it must get confusing for you. Btw, a tribute thread for a Boston player doing well, and we have to deal with a Yankee fan putting up mocking pics about geography and where he was born. No way this flies on any other team board. I think all posters who aren't 16 or older emotionally should find a board where they find these kinds of things amusing.
Posted by kimsaysthis
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Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/6/2011 10:43 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves : Absolutely not, Soria has been so bad this season he lost his closing job.
Posted by NUSoxFanHe lost it for what 4 days? Personally, I'd rather have a proven closer at relatively cheap money for the next 3.5 years than Paps for the next 0.5 year.If you figure Paps is going to get at least $12M a year as a FA, then you're talking about a difference of about at least $4.5M a year between the two of them. That's money that could go to attempt to better round out the bullpen.By FIP, Soria was the better pitcher in both 2009 (2.74 vs 3.05) and 2010 (2.53 vs 3.51). I'm going to trust the recent track record over the half season small sample, but that's more of a personal preference. 2011 FIP's are (4.11 vs 2.23), suggesting that Paps should have a much lower ERA than his current 4.01. -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/6/2011 10:47 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Papelbon - 200 saves:Thanks to the fans who showed some love for Paps. He deserves it.
Posted by kimsaysthis
Yeah he deserves it but we all know 2011 will be his last with the sox unless he lowers his laughable demands of being the highest paid closer . -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/6/2011 12:13 PM EDT
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camel toe, how ya doing, haven't been around much lately. Hope you had a great holiday weekend. -
Re: Papelbon - 200 saves
posted at 7/9/2011 10:14 PM EDT
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