Re: PAPELBON has allowed ZERO runs in 16 innings, 8 for 8 in saves, did anyone else imagine he would still be this great?
posted at 5/18/2013 3:10 PM EDT
In response to notin's comment:
In response to soxnewmex's comment:
Okay, let's say off-putting personality and selfishness don't matter in the outcome of games ( and that it's simply a matter of taste and asethetics. I could never root for a Clemens a Pete Rose a Ty Cobb a Paplebon to do well for who they are, the way I could for a Pedroia or a Jeter, say, who, while no doubt egocentric as who isn't, obviously play from a love of something larger than themselves, the game itself). Paps statistically will go down as one of the great all-time closers no doubt, but the truth of the matter was: he had become a choker in the really big game situations. Beyond that, glad he left the team for some of the same karmic and aesthetic reasons I was glad when Clemens left.
Interesting that you chose Jeter.
Comedian and lifelong Yankee fan Jim Norton renounced his Yankee fandom after a meeting with Jeter.
Granted, Norton himself does not appear to be much of a choir boy.
When did Papelbon choke away a big game? Game 3 in 2008 against the Angels? When the Sox were down 2 games to 0? Marinao Rivera lost the only WS Game 7 he pitched in despite having a 2-run lead with 3 outs to go. Yet know one labels him a choke artist. In fact, he is considered the epitome of handling pressure in a relief role...
Maybe Norton didn't get the kind of attention from Jeter he wanted or needed, who knows? I guess Jeter just popped into my head as a star player who doesn't seem wholly consumed with himself on the baseball field. Ripkin may have popped into my head instead, or Greg Maddox, or countless others.
Yeah, you're right, Paps blew the Angels game, the next game was also to be in Boston as I recall, a five game series, a real momentum swing was in the works, and that was in 2009. Then his next post-season determining outing was against the Orioles at the end of 2011, which he also blew. So those were his last big-game very important outings with the Sox, and he blew them both. Had it been Rivera who blew those games, it would be easier to forgive because he's Rivera not Paplebon. Which is the point, and it's not about logic. (Don't care much for Paps, obviously, but don't consider him nearly as offensive or obnoxious in this vein as Clemens Rose Cobb and others.)