Papelbon is as Papelbon does

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    Wow RS fans are amusing and I'm one of them.

     

    You say it was his first year of the contract lets see how he does in the next few years.

    If he was a new closer for the RS he'd be idolized and be the best since slice bread and many would be ready to sign him for 10 yrs..

    Yet when a player like CC does bad his first year he suks the contract is no good get rid of the bum it was a waste of money. Where is the wait and see attitude on another player who did good but you expect him to fail?????????????

    Just amusing to watch the thought process of RS fans over a player they hate and one they love!!!!!

     

     

     
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    OK moon, but the statement that he's washed up is unsupportable.  I think you're basing that on a loss of velocity.  But I've been looking at some of his recent outings on Gameday.  I see  a fastball between 94-96, I see the slider and splitter being mixed in, I see excellent location.  He's striking out 11.4 batters per 9 innings.

     

    I don't tend to "support" players from other teams very often.

    I admit, i have not been watching Philly games closely, but noticed a pretty big loss of velocity this year (or earlier this year).

    I did not think the Papelbon of 2010-2011 was as good as the one beforehand.

    In general, I am not for spending big on closers or relief pitchers, especially with long term deals.

     
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    In response to JimfromFlorida's comment:
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    Wow RS fans are amusing and I'm one of them.

     

    You say it was his first year of the contract lets see how he does in the next few years.

    If he was a new closer for the RS he'd be idolized and be the best since slice bread and many would be ready to sign him for 10 yrs..

    Yet when a player like CC does bad his first year he suks the contract is no good get rid of the bum it was a waste of money. Where is the wait and see attitude on another player who did good but you expect him to fail?????????????

    Just amusing to watch the thought process of RS fans over a player they hate and one they love!!!!!

     

     

     

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    Jim,

    You have some great points!  In Boston, it's what have you done for me "in the last 3 innings?"  That said, I'm glad the Sox are no longer paying Paps OR Crawford after this season.

     
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    we need starters, not glorified one inning specialists who make NO DIFFERENCE irregardless of which team they are signed by....

     

    the sox made the right move not payin this guy 50 mil to pitch 60 innings a yr for the next 3 years

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from carnie. Show carnie's posts

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    In response to georom4's comment:
    [QUOTE]we need starters, not glorified one inning specialists who make NO DIFFERENCE irregardless of which team they are signed by....

     

    the sox made the right move not payin this guy 50 mil to pitch 60 innings a yr for the next 3 years[/QUOTE]

    I have to agree when I agree.

     
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    If he was a new closer for the RS he'd be idolized and be the best since slice bread and many would be ready to sign him for 10 yrs..

    Yet when a player like CC does bad his first year he suks the contract is no good get rid of the bum it was a waste of money. Where is the wait and see attitude on another player who did good but you expect him to fail?????????????

    Just amusing to watch the thought process of RS fans over a player they hate and one they love!!!!!

     

    One big difference is that many of us were strongly against the CC signing from day one. It wasn't the poor first season that changed our attitudes, it just reinforced the position we held all along. 

     
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    Sometimes I really miss that ignore button.

     
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    Obama put us into what is a depression...

     

    I am no Obama supporter, but we were in free fall when he took office.

    Get your facts straight.... again.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Obama put us into what is a depression...

     

    I am no Obama supporter, but we were in free fall when he took office.

    Get your facts straight.... again.

     

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    No need to even respond to Trotter's political rants. They have no place in a baseball forum. Hard to understand why he can't see that.

     
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    In response to TrotterNixon's comment:
    [QUOTE]When Karl, I mean Barry, took office, government reported unemployment was 7.6%. It's currently reported at 8.1% and has never been reported as under 8% since Barry took office. It's federally reported as nearly 10% in North Carolina. Barry's fiscal top down central control spending policy to cut unemployment is part of the 5.4 trillion dollar debt he and Pelosi and Ried created. When Barry took office, the federal debt was 10.6 trillion. Obama's administration has created, in four years, half the national debt in the entire history of the Republic.  The 5.4 trillion under Obama has done nothing to reduce unemployment, which includes record numbers of people who aren't reported as unemploymed because the crooked government doesn't count those who have given up looking for work.

    Moonshwemp, you don't want to talk about the real facts. Obama should resign. He told the great David Letterman that he didn't know what the debt was when he took office and that the debt wasn't a problem in the short term. He said it would only be a problem in the medium term, which most certainly will be when he is a a "retirned" tax burden Ward of the State. He claimed that Clinton ran a surplus, when the reality is that the surplus was a result of Congressional mid-term election changes which forced Clinton to pivot to the center to avoid being fired while seeking a second term.

    Anyone know what the federal tax is on the 4$ gallon of gas you are paying?

    Obama and Inepetein and Cherry should have a summit to discuss stupid cops, Bible clingers and gun toters and bidding on Josh Hamilton. The irony is that incompetents become Wards of the State, which is really what modern America represents. Incompetents creating Wards of the State and the Red Sox is worthy of Shakespeare's Twelth Night.

    Wards of the State are paying a lot for gas, food and clothes. My hope is that they will simply waive bye as Obama gets fired for incomptence.

    The Red Sox will need a new GM, and the US will need a new President to bring back the economic policies of the architects of the Republic.

    The Red Sox need to fire Cherry and avoid Hamilton, like the plague. The American people need to fire Obama and avoid voting for something for nothing and from others.

    My guess is that the media election reporting is propaganda. I believe many of the voters who wanted to feel good about themslevs and voted to make history based upon race will not be motivated to go to the polls and/or cast absentee for Obama. Only time will tell, but I belive the voters who want Obama fired will be more motivated to vote than those who simply want their corporate and personal welfare payments increased[/QUOTE]

    So when will you give up Johnny Pesky like you gave up Hank softlaw?

     
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    he made the right call even without "all the facts".  the cops did act 'stupidly'.  thats what being a good leader is.  you make a decision spur of the moment and it ends up being the right decision.  gut feelings and strong stance.  that's quality leadership right there folks.  that's how you hunt down and kill a man like bin laden when the previous administration spent time looking under white house sofas.  thanks for confirming and pointing this out softy.

     

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    Yeah, as if the Community Organizer  himself went out after Bin Laden. You can't be that stupid.

    You think the same intelligence under Bush suddenly became smarter under this clown? I suugest to go to You Tube and watch Dishonorable Disclosures and see what teh Navy Seals and people in the intelligence community think of this fraud in the White House. The same one who couldn't wait to divulge classified information on the mission to his Hollywood buddies, like some high schooler bragging about his makeout session to his school chums.

    Another Obaaaaaaaaama sheep heard from.

     
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    yeah, in most countries led by a "socialist leader" the rich get much richer while the poor get poorer. 

    The stock market is making a lot of "fat cats" rich under our "communist" leadership.

     
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  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

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    I am no Obama supporter, but we were in free fall when he took office.

    Get your facts straight.... again.

     

    When Karl, I mean Barry, took office, government reported unemployment was 7.6%. It's currently reported at 8.1% and has never been reported as under 8% since Barry took office. It's federally reported as nearly 10% in North Carolina. Barry's fiscal top down central control spending policy to cut unemployment is part of the 5.4 trillion dollar debt he and Pelosi and Ried created. When Barry took office, the federal debt was 10.6 trillion. Obama's administration has created, in four years, half the national debt in the entire history of the Republic.  The 5.4 trillion under Obama has done nothing to reduce unemployment, which includes record numbers of people who aren't reported as unemploymed because the crooked government doesn't count those who have given up looking for work.

    Moonshwemp, you don't want to talk about the real facts. Obama should resign. He told the great David Letterman that he didn't know what the debt was when he took office and that the debt wasn't a problem in the short term. He said it would only be a problem in the medium term, which most certainly will be when he is a a "retirned" tax burden Ward of the State. He claimed that Clinton ran a surplus, when the reality is that the surplus was a result of Congressional mid-term election changes which forced Clinton to pivot to the center to avoid being fired while seeking a second term.

     

    Dude, I did not and will not vote for "Barry", but you really have a warped view on the stae of the union when "Barry" took over. We were about to collapse.

    The unemployment rate was calculated the same way under Bush, and the rate went from about 4.5 in 2007 to about 5 in January of 2008. Then it jumped to about 8 by the time "Barry took office". The economy was about to go under despite Bush's socialist bank bailouts. 

    I guess you think any presisdent could have turned things around in just a few days, and I remember you blaming Clinton for the rise in unemployment rates during Bush's first year in office, but you are known for moving the goalpost often.

    Obama has not done a good job, and I have never argued otherwise. He has not kept many of his promises and is not even close to being a Socialist. He's been less of one than your buddy Bush.

    Cutting taxes in wartime has been one of the leading factorsd in the rising debt. Spineless Congressmen refuse to make the tough choices that would cut aid to their voters. American workers continue to increase productivity but lose spending power and wealth, while the richer Americans have made great strides while our debt has increased. Romney's idea to let the rich off the hook for the debt is a great plan... wink, wink.

    The past is full of examples where cutting taxes on the rich has imprioved the economy and unemployment hasn't it? Why not give us some examples, starting with the GW cuts. 

    Cue crickets...

     

     
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    And in breaking news FDR saves Capitalism.

     
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    In response to georom4's comment:
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    we need starters, not glorified one inning specialists who make NO DIFFERENCE irregardless of which team they are signed by....

     

    the sox made the right move not payin this guy 50 mil to pitch 60 innings a yr for the next 3 years

     

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    Glad somebody is enjoying all the implosions by Aceves.  Personally it's made me kind of sick.  The only reason all the blown saves haven't mattered this year, I'll say it again, is that 'we stink anyway'.

     
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    5-6, 36 saves, 4 BS, 2.37 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 82 Ks/17 BBs in 64-2/3 innings.

    That for a very underachieving PHI team. 76 team wins and he saved 36 of them. 14 saves, 1 BS since August 1st.

    He continues to be one of the most consistent closers in baseball...with the lack of Mo this year, THE most consistent year in, and year out.

    Isn't it more obvious now how a player, a character like Papelbon holds value even beyond his performance?

    I don't usually lament a player leaving, especially when he obviously wanted out, and, really...who can blame the guy. We all goofed on him for being a sipmpleton, but apparently he was smarter than any of us and saw this coming miles away.

    I said it before, I would've kept the guy until his arm flew off.

     

    If he had a bad year your post would not have been on here.

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  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hfxsoxnut. Show Hfxsoxnut's posts

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    Red Sox fans do have a funny way of treating some of their best performers.  Papelbon has been easily the best closer in team history.  The only other candidate might be Dick Radatz in the early Sixties.

    Then there's Ortiz, who has been easily the best DH in team history.

    Funny how many times I've heard 'these guys are overpaid, we can get better value elsewhere, blah blah blah.'  One of the funniest things, looking back, was all the people who suggested we ditch Ortiz this year and let Lavarnway step in as DH.

    Maybe I'm just channelling my inner dannycater.  

     

     
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    (Some more dannycater channeling here)

    Yeah, you guys who say it's easy to find a good closer really know what you're talking about!  Just look at the stellar numbers for the guys we've had as closers this year, or that we thought might make capable closers!

    Aceves 5.31

    Bailey 6.23

    Melancon 6.64

    What's Papelbon's ERA again?  Oh yeah, 2.33.  Yeah you guys are bang on the money.  A piece of cake finding a good closer for the Red Sox.  Paps was excess baggage.  Good riddance!

     
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