PAPI finally plays his ACE race card, will he score?

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    Re: PAPI finally plays his ACE race card, will he score?

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    keep blamin the messenger, the article link is clearly right there for u to go and form your own conclusions. but no as jabronis, some of u would prefer to attack he who dares to draw conclusions on anything papi-based thatdoesnt come attached with a tight cheerleader outfit with pompoms, koolaid, and the echo chamber choir...

     



    Yes, I am blaming the messenger when I can't understand the messenger's message.  Don't flatter yourself into thinking that I'm critical of some contratrian POV because I don't understand what your POV is to begin with.  

     

     

     




    ok, i will slowly type and hope u can slowly comprehend my simplified conclusions:

     

    1. papi is overreacting, he shouldnt b surprised people are thinking this. just keep passing the tests and keep staying "clean". 2. papi is using the race card to distract from an objective attack that everyone away from the kool-aid is clearly whispering about. 3. dan is just the competent messenger (in this case) for bringing up what many are already thinking. 4. it has gotten into papi's head as he is now 0-9 since the attack came up. perhaps he should limit all the damage control interviews and PR work he's been doing and stop the thin-skinness! is this clear enough?

     



    Was typing somewhat like an adult that difficult?

     



    It is all lower case and uses b instead of be. It is only slightly more readable.

     
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    Re: PAPI finally plays his ACE race card, will he score?

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    BostonPro:

     

    It is not you, some of us understand.  But many on this site got excited over his fast start and did not look at who the sox were playing.  I doubt that Ortiz will struggle much longer but the board needs to get used to his week long slumps, because it will happen again.

     



    Er, even Ruth, Cobb, & TW had week long slumps every season.

     



    Sometimes with some people it is just not worth it.

     
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    keep blamin the messenger, the article link is clearly right there for u to go and form your own conclusions. but no as jabronis, some of u would prefer to attack he who dares to draw conclusions on anything papi-based thatdoesnt come attached with a tight cheerleader outfit with pompoms, koolaid, and the echo chamber choir...

     



    Yes, I am blaming the messenger when I can't understand the messenger's message.  Don't flatter yourself into thinking that I'm critical of some contratrian POV because I don't understand what your POV is to begin with.  

     

     

     




    ok, i will slowly type and hope u can slowly comprehend my simplified conclusions:

     

    1. papi is overreacting, he shouldnt b surprised people are thinking this. just keep passing the tests and keep staying "clean". 2. papi is using the race card to distract from an objective attack that everyone away from the kool-aid is clearly whispering about. 3. dan is just the competent messenger (in this case) for bringing up what many are already thinking. 4. it has gotten into papi's head as he is now 0-9 since the attack came up. perhaps he should limit all the damage control interviews and PR work he's been doing and stop the thin-skinness! is this clear enough?

     



    Was typing somewhat like an adult that difficult?

     

     



    It is all lower case and uses b instead of be. It is only slightly more readable.

     



    Baby steps... Wink

     
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    Shaughnessy's column was profiling a person based in where they are from.  Policemen today are trained not to do that and if they do so on their job, they are disciplined or fired.   Columnists have the license to do profiling and express prejudiced opinions. It is part of their job description.

    Oriz is acting like the the crininal justice professor who is teaching the class on profiling and mentioning examples of what profiling is.  The professor teaching the criminal justice class  is not " playing the race card" by mentioning examples of profiling. He is illustrating what it is such as :

    Assuming that very Muslim is a terrorist.

    Assuming that every Dominican is a drug user.

    Assuming every black wearing a hoodie is ready to rob you.

    Assuming that those driving red Corvettes are going to break a traffic infraction.

     

    Cops and individuals should not profile

    It is racist, prejudiced, and just plain wrong.

     

     

     

     



    Profiling is not always wrong. It is only wrong, like any other tool, when it is used too broadly. It can be a valuable tool, if used properly, in law enforcement.

     

    What we are really talking about here is old-fashioned prejudice. This is when you pre-judge someone based on broad generalizations and not on their individual traits.

     


    Still, it is profiling wnen a cop pulls over a black who is driving through a white suburb solely on the basis that he is black. There has to be cause such as a violation or a malfunctioning tail light, etc.

     

    My point was in respect to what Shaughnessy said in his column about players from the D.R. since that was a generalization. Dan must be aware that the Irish in Boston were once prejudged by the rest of the population.



    When a cop does that it is called being a bad cop. Profiling is used to narrow down who to look for when a crime is committed. Random stops of drivers has nothing to do with catching criminals unless a crime has already been committed.

     
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    Re: PAPI finally plays his ACE race card, will he score?

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    Need another milkshake or two !!!!



    OK Bill.  All fine.  But please never say anything positive about Papi again.  You have been s*^ting on him so long now that your stance is absolutely clear.  Spare me any hypocricy please.

     
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    Re: PAPI finally plays his ACE race card, will he score?

    Why I didnt care for CHB asking these questions, is because the same questions have been asked a thousand times. Why bring it back up now? Hes off to a hot start? Its a shame that the first thing people say is  he must be on steroids. What did he think papi would say? Why yes Dan, Im taking this cool stuff they have in the DR. Its helping quite a bit...No need for this unless there is solid proof, not unfounded speculation.

     
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    Re: PAPI finally plays his ACE race card, will he score?

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    Why I didnt care for CHB asking these questions, is because the same questions have been asked a thousand times. Why bring it back up now? Hes off to a hot start? Its a shame that the first thing people say is  he must be on steroids. What did he think papi would say? Why yes Dan, Im taking this cool stuff they have in the DR. Its helping quite a bit...No need for this unless there is solid proof, not unfounded speculation.




    Oh, but there is a need.

    Site hits on his column.

     
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    Re: PAPI finally plays his ACE race card, will he score?

    In response to TV-Guy's comment:

    In response to devildavid's comment:

     

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    Shaughnessy's column was profiling a person based in where they are from.  Policemen today are trained not to do that and if they do so on their job, they are disciplined or fired.   Columnists have the license to do profiling and express prejudiced opinions. It is part of their job description.

    Oriz is acting like the the crininal justice professor who is teaching the class on profiling and mentioning examples of what profiling is.  The professor teaching the criminal justice class  is not " playing the race card" by mentioning examples of profiling. He is illustrating what it is such as :

    Assuming that very Muslim is a terrorist.

    Assuming that every Dominican is a drug user.

    Assuming every black wearing a hoodie is ready to rob you.

    Assuming that those driving red Corvettes are going to break a traffic infraction.

     

    Cops and individuals should not profile

    It is racist, prejudiced, and just plain wrong.

     

     

     

     



    Profiling is not always wrong. It is only wrong, like any other tool, when it is used too broadly. It can be a valuable tool, if used properly, in law enforcement.

     

    What we are really talking about here is old-fashioned prejudice. This is when you pre-judge someone based on broad generalizations and not on their individual traits.

     


    Still, it is profiling wnen a cop pulls over a black who is driving through a white suburb solely on the basis that he is black. There has to be cause such as a violation or a malfunctioning tail light, etc.

     

    My point was in respect to what Shaughnessy said in his column about players from the D.R. since that was a generalization. Dan must be aware that the Irish in Boston were once prejudged by the rest of the population.

    pike, while i get the gist of your post....we get pulled over in our own neighborhoods too... 


     
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    Re: PAPI finally plays his ACE race card, will he score?

    tv guy:

    Thanks for copying and pasting my comment.  I am not sure why it was deleted except that several posters hit the report button.

    Long day so if you think it is racial profiling then I will agree.  I am no fan of dan and the question was not needed.  Testing is tougher and once again, Ortiz is in good shape but not jacked like 04 thru 07.  The weight he has put on is normal with age and working out in the weight room over the years will add it.

     
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    I have no issue with Dan asking the questions and I thought Papi was a class act the way he answered the questions. 

     



    Would Dan Shaughnessy have any trouble with me asking him if his father or grandfather were cops and if they spent all of their leisure time at the corner bar and had red noses? Could I ask him if Honey Fitz Kennedy payed $5 for their vote on election day for decades? Those would be generalizations and involve prejudging. No?

     

     



    I would like to see this.  Go find Dan and ask him.  In case you have not noticed, Shaughnessy is a sports reporter and Boston is a tough media town.  I think the last 22 players to test positive for roids are from the dominican. So possibly dan is thinking guilty by association.

     

    I will repeat myself and say that Ortiz is no longer on roids and I am not sure what dan was thinking.  Possibly he has some info that only he is privy to.

     

     



    "Guilt by association" is exactly what I have been calling PROFILING, PREJUDGING, and GENERALIZING. Dan should know better than to do that.

     

    Have you read the entire thread? It seems like most of the points made went right over your head.

    Are you saying that your Italian neighbor with the fancy clothes, jewlery, and expensive car must be a member of the Mafia? Why don't you ask him? When he gets mad at you just say you were employing " Guilt by association", profiling, prejudging, and generalizing.

    Would you walk up to a black player and ask him if he likes watermelon, juicy oranges, and fried catfish?




    but I do think you are going over the edge with this a bit.  The dominican republic is an easy place to get roids, the last 22 players to be suspended for roids have been domincan, Ortiz test postive for roids and had a trainer who dealt the product.  If you were a cop and did not follow these clues, you would never make detective.

     
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