Papi shutting it down?

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    The trolls in here suggest that Papi stormed a postgame press conference because he was irate that the official scorer cheated him out of an RBI in that night's game ( it later turned out to be a good-natured hoax cooked up by Pedroia and Ortiz). So the trolls claimed that Papi was concerned by wanting one more RBI. Now the trolls are mad that he is sitting out games ( which would cost him hits and RBIs ) because he is faking an injury. What gives? Is there a " FLAVOR OF THE DAY" for the trolls. Cater was accused of being a quack doctor the other day and then responded by calling himself " Dr. Cater". Me thinks that Dannycater is just toying with us. Tomorrow he will forget about his Ortiz threads and come out with another troll " FLAVOR OF THE DAY". Whatever works and baits and creates controversy is fine in Cater's book. In the Spring we had a thread that AGon wouldn't sign with the Sox ( Softlaw's Flavor of the Month). The forum has had some Flavors of the Day that never grow old; Vanilla Drew, Raspberry Jake, Strawberry Tito, and Coffee Theo. Take your pick- the rest of us are bored.

     
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    The only one who hears you is you - thus the Echo. I get it now.
     
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    m
     
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    [QUOTE]The only one who hears you is you - thus the Echo. I get it now.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    LOL
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Papi shutting it down? : screw you little peter
    Posted by .. />TheBabe<..[/QUOTE]

    Hi little Billy,

    I know you changed your name to />theBabe< since you're the only one who refers to me as little peter you sniveling """"""""" !!

    Just like Sniveling Billy you're on my list of blocked Trolls. 

    Goodbye,
    Hetchinspete 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Papi shutting it down? : Hi little Billy, I know you changed your name to />theBabe< since you're the only one who refers to me as little peter you sniveling """"""""" !! Just like Sniveling Billy you're on my list of blocked Trolls.  Goodbye, Hetchinspete 

    Posted by Hetchinspete[/QUOTE]

    No problem little peter.....

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Papi shutting it down? : thank you, miscricket. I also have had heel problems, and I'm telling the free world the same thing you did--Papi did not have to sit out, and it is something you can definitely play through. I made exact same argument early on about the difference between shoulder bursitis and heel. One can have a lasting effect by playing through it, the other is simply chronic and some meds can easily help with the hurt. Great, great post. If only others would understand what we've been saying about the "injury."
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    Danny,

    I enjoy reading your posts and respect your opinions but with this one I'll disagree. First everyones level of pain tolerance is different and what one person may live with and play a sport may differ from what someone else may be able to put up with, irrespective of the paycheck involved. 

    Secondly there are different levels of the intensity of the condition. I had Bursitis in my right knee years ago and couldn't walk because of the pain level and stiffness in the joint. Yes it healed after two weeks of rest and drug therapy. And yes I've an extremely high tolerance for pain. 

    Regards, 
    Hetchinspete.  
     
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    probably most ridiculous topic ever introduced to this board
     
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    m
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Papi shutting it down? : Yeah concord I have to agree with Babe.  Ortiz was mediocre at best when he was with the Twins and then he teams up with Manny and became a world beater.  Ortiz gets a lot of slack on this board because of the uniform he wears but he was and most likely is still a PED user.  He had some BIG BIG games and moments, no doubt about that but we must ask ourselves what made that possible?  Ortiz should receive the same scrutiny on this forum that ARod does but simply because of the uniform he wears he is given a pass and that is what makes so many (not all) on this board hypocrites.
    Posted by Mikeyinthebronx2[/QUOTE]

    "but he was and most likely is still a PED user."  Evidence?
     
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    [QUOTE]We saw Pedro intentionally shut it down a few times. Papi is not happy about not getting his extension.  He had been loafing it down to first before his so called heel injury. I doubt if Papi will be a factor for the rest of the season.
    Posted by jackbu[/QUOTE]

    What does Pedro have to do with it?  This is silly.
     
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    i'm sure it was the team's decision for him to be DTD, also do you really want a guy as big as Ortiz trying to run bases on a bad heel?, possibly carrying a crucial early run as Francona probably wouldn't pinch run until it got late...a week ago when i asked about Ortiz being out the report said a week, pike said Tuesday, not doubting him, as a Sox fan would know better than me..has anything changed?...Edit...i have no doubt he'd rather be in there knowing Youk was down and AG scuffling a bit...
     
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    [QUOTE]Bursitis can be painful and could affect his swing as he puts pressure on the foot which he has to do with every swing.
    Posted by Diamondtalk[/QUOTE]

    -I agree. Let's see those that think Papi is faking it try and swing at a 96 mph fastball and take off running the bases. Until then put a 'sock' in it.
     
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    Ortiz aiming for Texas comeback...from MLB.com.......http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110821&content_id=23526454&notebook_id=23529108&vkey=notebook_bos&c_id=bos
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Papi shutting it down? : Danny, I enjoy reading your posts and respect your opinions but with this one I'll disagree. First everyones level of pain tolerance is different and what one person may live with and play a sport may differ from what someone else may be able to put up with, irrespective of the paycheck involved.  Secondly there are different levels of the intensity of the condition. I had Bursitis in my right knee years ago and couldn't walk because of the pain level and stiffness in the joint. Yes it healed after two weeks of rest and drug therapy. And yes I've an extremely high tolerance for pain.  Regards,  Hetchinspete.  
    Posted by Hetchinspete[/QUOTE]

    Hetch, I'm not taking away anyone's pain or suffering through bursitis of any kind. I have had terrible shooting pain in my heel and It is painful, and I've played baseball on it. Of course, the level that Big Papi is playing at, the fact he does have to run bases, certainly I can understand him being held out by the medical staff and maybe he himself felt he couldn't play on it. With that said, Yaz played an entire half season with broken ribs (three i recall), some guys have played with chronic injuries over the years. If I call out Big Papi on that (and I doubt he has any control other than when a doctor says, "sorry, you cannot play on that, you need rest." Unions, agents, all come into play there. Contracts and future contracts are considered. If push came to shove, and it's the World Series and Big Papi is hitting on fire (like his heel), how would you react if he sat out the WS? I realize this is regular season, but all the games are important. I would take a limping Ortiz on the bases for his power swing. He can hit the ball a mile and jog slowly around in orthopedic slippers. But with the team in injury crisis, sometimes you have to make a physical sacrifice to your body to play. Guys today, don't. I don't blame the players as much as I blame the other factors like contracts, agents, investments, unions, and doctors who are not going to get sued over a guy over-extending himself in a pennant race.
     
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    And another evenly discussed thread goes off the rails.....

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Papi shutting it down? : Hetch, I'm not taking away anyone's pain or suffering through bursitis of any kind. I have had terrible shooting pain in my heel and It is painful, and I've played baseball on it. Of course, the level that Big Papi is playing at, the fact he does have to run bases, certainly I can understand him being held out by the medical staff and maybe he himself felt he couldn't play on it. With that said, Yaz played an entire half season with broken ribs (three i recall), some guys have played with chronic injuries over the years. If I call out Big Papi on that (and I doubt he has any control other than when a doctor says, "sorry, you cannot play on that, you need rest." Unions, agents, all come into play there. Contracts and future contracts are considered. If push came to shove, and it's the World Series and Big Papi is hitting on fire (like his heel), how would you react if he sat out the WS? I realize this is regular season, but all the games are important. I would take a limping Ortiz on the bases for his power swing. He can hit the ball a mile and jog slowly around in orthopedic slippers. But with the team in injury crisis, sometimes you have to make a physical sacrifice to your body to play. Guys today, don't. I don't blame the players as much as I blame the other factors like contracts, agents, investments, unions, and doctors who are not going to get sued over a guy over-extending himself in a pennant race.
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    Danny..well said..and I agree..funny, when I have had problems with my heel besides ibuprofen..the Dr gave me a quick little fix when she realized that I was probably not going to be one of those people who sat for a week so instead..I went about my daily activities and workouts with the help of a little thing called a gel lift to cushion my heel. Worked wonders.
    One thing I got from reading some of these comments..it's nice to know I have a higher pain tolerance than a major league baseball player..and here I thought I was wimpy.
    I will be surprised if Papi goes back to hitting as well as he had been in the last few weeks. Once again..I will say that Papi has shown that he is not someone whose swing can afford time off.
     
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    WHY NOT TRUST THE SOX MEDICAL STAFF
    PLAY THE BENCH FOR EXTRA DAYS
    ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION
    IT'S ACADEMIC ANYWAY
    NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS
    THE FORUM WILL BLAME THE SOX FO
    THAT'S A GIVEN
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Papi shutting it down? : Hetch, I'm not taking away anyone's pain or suffering through bursitis of any kind. I have had terrible shooting pain in my heel and It is painful, and I've played baseball on it. Of course, the level that Big Papi is playing at, the fact he does have to run bases, certainly I can understand him being held out by the medical staff and maybe he himself felt he couldn't play on it. With that said, Yaz played an entire half season with broken ribs (three i recall), some guys have played with chronic injuries over the years. If I call out Big Papi on that (and I doubt he has any control other than when a doctor says, "sorry, you cannot play on that, you need rest." Unions, agents, all come into play there. Contracts and future contracts are considered. If push came to shove, and it's the World Series and Big Papi is hitting on fire (like his heel), how would you react if he sat out the WS? I realize this is regular season, but all the games are important. I would take a limping Ortiz on the bases for his power swing. He can hit the ball a mile and jog slowly around in orthopedic slippers. But with the team in injury crisis, sometimes you have to make a physical sacrifice to your body to play. Guys today, don't. I don't blame the players as much as I blame the other factors like contracts, agents, investments, unions, and doctors who are not going to get sued over a guy over-extending himself in a pennant race.
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    Danny,

    Again I think it comes down to the level of injury and pain involved. Every injury is different and if Papi is that disabled that he can't put weight on his heal and that messes up his swing, at that point he's hurting the Red Sox more than helping. I'd like to give Papi the benefit of the doubt in that he's a pro, a great team player who would play if possible.

    I useto be a long distance runner grinding out 90-100 miles a week and had a nasty case of Plantar Fasciitis a few times over the years, as well as Bursitis as I mentioned in my right knee. I've a high tolerance for pain, a could work through some conditions depending on how severe.

    As for Yaz playing with rib injuries, again each is different. Ells was out most of last year with rib injuries. Does that make him a non-team player because he didn't play through the injury, as opposed to Yaz who did. No it doesn't to answer my own question. 

    Respectfully 
    Hetchinspete.  
     
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    If you look at thousands of threads and posts on this forum you will soon learn that many posters think that they know more than doctors. Doctors need eight plus years of training to get their license and are born with exceptional intelligence and go the best schools and colleges that are available at a huge personal cost. The Red Sox can afford to hire the very best of these rare specialists and take all necessary precautions when a players earning $10+ mil. are involved. It is ridiculous for any of us to assume that we know more on diagnosing the ailments to Bucholz, Youk, or Papi than they do.. Many posters here would never second guess their personal physician on a serious and complex medical diagnosis. Yet they come to a baseball forum and do the very opposite. Think it over. The same posters who think that they know more than the pitching coach, manager, general manager, and owner - also think that they are more brilliant than the doctors. The forum is their ten minutes of fake fame when they convince someone that they really know what they are talking about.
     
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    [QUOTE]If you look at thousands of threads and posts on this forum you will soon learn that many posters think that they know more than doctors. Doctors need eight plus years of training to get their license and are born with exceptional intelligence and go the best schools and colleges that are available at a huge personal cost. The Red Sox can afford to hire the very best of these rare specialists and take all necessary precautions when a players earning $10+ mil. are involved. It is ridiculous for any of us to assume that we know more on diagnosing the ailments to Bucholz, Youk, or Papi than they do.. Many posters here would never second guess their personal physician on a serious and complex medical diagnosis. Yet they come to a baseball forum and do the very opposite. Think it over. The same posters who think that they know more than the pitching coach, manager, general manager, and owner - also think that they are more brilliant than the doctors. The forum is their ten minutes of fake fame when they convince someone that they really know what they are talking about.
    Posted by Your-Echo[/QUOTE]

    Echo,

    Exactly !! My experience comes from being in athletics as a runner when most I assume on this list are couch potatoes. Not there is anything wrong with that, but again I can only speak from my experience as an amateur runner and now active cyclist.

    Many on the list also disparage the Sox medical staff, but I won't because injuries depending on the nature can be very complex and what one doctors finds, another might disagree and that I well know from experience. And coming from the Boston area there was no shortage of fine doctors and physical therapist.  

    Last year so many locals ripped Ellsbury, and it makes me wonder how many this year are on his bandwagon touting him as an MVP candidate, and now the same with Papi, and now all of a sudden Youk is injured and many speculate he's getting old after years of playing 3rd base. 

    Hetchinspete. 
     
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    My goodness, aren't we overthinking things a little bit? 
     
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    [QUOTE]My goodness, aren't we overthinking things a little bit? 
    Posted by scorieger[/QUOTE]

    I can't decipher from your comment exactly what you mean. Are you saying that the armchair doctors are overthinking or are those who trust the doctors are overthinking? The purpose of a forum is to have rational thought and that often involves thinking, being logical, reasonable, patient, tolerant, and humble. What say you?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Papi shutting it down? : Echo, Exactly !! My experience comes from being in athletics as a runner when most I assume on this list are couch potatoes. Not there is anything wrong with that, but again I can only speak from my experience as an amateur runner and now active cyclist. Many on the list also disparage the Sox medical staff, but I won't because injuries depending on the nature can be very complex and what one doctors finds, another might disagree and that I well know from experience. And coming from the Boston area there was no shortage of fine doctors and physical therapist.   Last year so many locals ripped Ellsbury, and it makes me wonder how many this year are on his bandwagon touting him as an MVP candidate, and now the same with Papi, and now all of a sudden Youk is injured and many speculate he's getting old after years of playing 3rd base.  Hetchinspete. 
    Posted by Hetchinspete[/QUOTE]

    Hetch, I'm also using my own physical experience with injuries (even now). Bursitis of the heel, plantar fasica, i have it, another guy on my current team has it. We play, and we seem to do ok by ourselves. Papi is a lot younger, and is a DH. I just don't see him being so hurt that he can't play or hit. He can hit and still have that condition. In fact, when he comes back, he will still have the same condition he had a week ago.
     
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    [QUOTE]We saw Pedro intentionally shut it down a few times. Papi is not happy about not getting his extension.  He had been loafing it down to first before his so called heel injury. I doubt if Papi will be a factor for the rest of the season.
    Posted by jackbu[/QUOTE]


    And you are using what evidence to back this up? Ortiz has given everything he had to give and then some to the Sox since he arrived here....he also wants a good paycheck next year. He would be killing his own cause to loaf it on purpose now...your statement reeks of ignorance. What a childish point of view.
     

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