I would not call one homer in sept being productive.  He was productive against the bad teams and not against the rays or the yankees in the second half.  We need someone who can be productive against the good teams and all the time, especially the teams in our division.
Posted by jackbu

In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : Wow, I'm not one to get annoyed or angry at people on here (I'm used to seeing some pretty silly posts), but you take the cake. What an ignorant, uninformed, slanderous opinion. How about some real analysis? Last year, Ortiz hit .328/.401/.557 against teams under .500, and .290/.396/.551 against teams over .500, a negligible difference, and he put up 17 of his 29 homers against the latter teams. In 2010, he was .246/.361/.523 against under .500, and .285/.373/.533 against over .500 teams, and he drove in a whopping 66 runs against the latter group. He's actually been better the past two years against good teams than bad teams! Meanwhile, here are his numbers against the Yankees and Rays the past two years: Yankees '11: .282/.378/.577 Yankees '10: .300/.377/.433 Rays '11: .180/.288/.260 Rays '10: .351/.507/.789(!) You're going to crucify him because he had a bad year against the Rays for one season (after murdering them the previous season) and because he had a slow September in which he still had a .396 OBP ??? Can't hit against the Yankees and Rays? The past two years total his line against them is .282/.393/.525, and if you projected his counting numbers against them for a full season he would have 77 runs, 115 rbis, 51 2Bs, 31 HRs, and 112 BBs to go with 120 Ks. Those are the numbers of an All-Star and lesser MVP candidate . Isn't productive against the division? Again, over the past two years his line against the division is .271/.382/.506, with a full season projection of 89 runs, 105 rbis, 45 2Bs, 31 HRs, and 108 BBs with 124 Ks. Again, that's an All-Star DH, which is what Ortiz is . Interestingly, his worst single season performance against a division opponent these past two years (other than last year against the Rays) was against the 2010 Orioles, and even then he put up some strong power numbers against them. Grow up. Start using your brain. Or take your foolishness somewhere else. Meanwhile, I'll take Ortiz all the way to the bank AND a championship (assuming the rest of the team keeps up with him).
Posted by redsoxu571

Am I the only person on the planet who would have preferred them to go to arbitration?  I fear that Papi already feels disrespected because the time it took and the one-year deal he received, and will thus be the mopey player he has been in the past when he feels disrespected.  Since Arbitration contracts aren't guaranteed, the Sox would have had the flexibility to cut him if his attitude or performance becomes an issue this season. 
Posted by howzer

It should technically be his last year.  His last productive year was 07.
Posted by jackbu

It should technically be his last year.  His last productive year was 07.
Posted by jackbu

Enjoy the 2012 season with David Ortiz. It will be his last with the Red Sox. There were many mistakes made in this process, the first being offering him arbitration. Given that they reached an agreement, but only on a 1 year deal is a clear sign that this will be his last. The Red Sox handcuffed themselves by offering arbitration. If they hadn't, they could have gotten Ortiz for something in the $8M range. It's great that they are paying a DH only player close to $15M.
Posted by ADG

In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : You gotta love fans who would rather be right than see the team do well. Posted by ThefourBs

break down the homers and tell me who they were against and against which pitchers.  Tell me how many of his homers actually  made a difference in the outcome of the game. a lot of his homers came when the sox were either up or down by several or more runs, thus eliminating pressure. no problem, the ortiz lovers are having their day and will be on a fourn roll until opening day.  I will have may day the first time he goes 2 for 20.
Posted by jackbu

In response to "Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox": You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Of course I want the team to do well, but they will not do well with Ortiz. The whole month of sept was playoff atmosphere and he choked. The last time the sox made the playoffs, sloppy went 1 for 13. I guess the pink hat Ortiz lovers need a Mack truck to hit them. Even they they won't take the time to break down the stats.
Posted by jackbu

i think you papi boosters might be in for a disappointing year...14 mil is a lot of money for a guy who no longer dominates games and disappears for long stretches...and who cant play the field...we should have let jim walk and saved that cash to sign oswalt and another bat Posted by georom4

i think you papi boosters might be in for a disappointing year...14 mil is a lot of money for a guy who no longer dominates games and disappears for long stretches...and who cant play the field...we should have let jim walk and saved that cash to sign oswalt and another bat
Posted by georom4

In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : papi boosters?  I will always boost a guy on my team who was the 8th best hitter in baseball the year before no matter who he is...I think I'm just a good hitter booster. 
Posted by Hfxsoxnut

In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : he was good last yr...but i dont care what the stats say, he was not even in the top 20 hitters in the american league...those stats are meaningless...as september proved.....14 mil for a 37 yr old one dimensional player who is more concerned with his own stats than the team's success is not my idea of a great signing...but dont let that stop your bootlicking...i realize it has been a very tough year for the APOLOGISTS
Posted by georom4

In response to "Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox": You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Of course I want the team to do well, but they will not do well with Ortiz. The whole month of sept was playoff atmosphere and he choked. The last time the sox made the playoffs, sloppy went 1 for 13. I guess the pink hat Ortiz lovers need a Mack truck to hit them. Even they they won't take the time to break down the stats.
Posted by jackbu

In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : His stats are not meaningless geo, forget it with that.  Not even in the top 20 hitter in the league?  That's just ridiculous.  You can't even be interested in a serious discussion to make a comment like that. If our pitchers hadn't pitched to a 6 ERA last September we would have made the playoffs easily. 
Posted by Hfxsoxnut

In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : he was good last yr...but i dont care what the stats say, he was not even in the top 20 hitters in the american league...those stats are meaningless...as september proved.....14 mil for a 37 yr old one dimensional player who is more concerned with his own stats than the team's success is not my idea of a great signing...but dont let that stop your bootlicking...i realize it has been a very tough year for the APOLOGISTS
Posted by georom4

In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : top 8? cmon...i can think of 8 guys on the yankees and red sox who i would put up at the plate before ortiz at this point of his career....he is not worth 14 million...that salary is a sin for a team supposedly concerned with the luxury tax...
Posted by georom4