Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox
posted at 2/15/2012 11:06 AM EST
In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox
In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : i am not the one who stated that PAPI IS ONE OF THE 8 BEST HITTERS IN MLB...those stats are a joke...as someone else posted, Papis numbers are good but 25-30 players in mlb are in that same area....i watched just about everygame last yr, there is no way Papi was clutch in big moments, nor did he even play hard it seemed...he was lazy on the bases, and complained a lot about aceves not starting, his rbis, and his lack of a contract...i know those realities dont seem to matter to the bootlickers, but i promise you that this is what matters in baseball, not baseball reference.com....but if you are going to at least compare players, try to use the same yardstick...not just a sample....i dont have to look that up to know the answer...Papi is a pampered, overpriced, one dimensional veteran...just like that other guy with the beer gut on the mound today...
Posted by georom4
I agree with you that someone calling Ortiz a top-8 hitter was overblown, but you take it far too much in the other direction. For the record, don't twist my words about there being 30-40 hitters who can hit 28 hrs/95 rbis as meaning Ortiz is roughly as good as those hitters.
Many 28/95 candidates have poor BAs and poor OBPs...one reason Ortiz is still clearly in the 10-25 range among the best hitters in baseball is because he has power while still getting on base...it's quite hard to get that combo.
Here are some hard and fast facts for you. Let's take a minimum of 27 HRs, 85 RBIs, and a .370 OBP (a very reasonable projection for Ortiz this year as of now). How many players have met or exceeded those numbers the past three years?
2011: 12 players
2010: 13 players
2009: 17 players
Given that Ortiz isn't likely to greatly exceed those thresholds, it's fairly clear he is NOT a top 8 hitter overall, but it's also clear that he is a top 10-20 hitter. That means that on most teams, he would be their best hitter, and is essentially irreplaceable, especially on a short-term contract basis.
Stop citing "clutch" as part of this discussion. Provide actual tangible evidence, or drop your anecdotes.
Stop saying Ortiz is a jerk who "complained a lot about...his rbis" (plural?) because you watched ONE video of Ortiz seemingly complaining about one RBI that just as likely was one big joke and you have no flipping idea whether it really was or not. I'm sure there are dozens of snapshots of your day that make you look like a jerk...doesn't mean you are one.
And stop referencing "bootlickers"...some people take a question, analyze the evidence at hand, and produce a result, without bias. The question here was about how good or not Ortiz is. NEARLY ALL THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE PROVIDED HERE has sided with Ortiz being good...that's not biased bootlicking, that's knowledge triumphing over biased idiocy.
And relentlessly criticizing a player in contradiction of evidence, as you've done "geo", makes you an Ortiz-hating bootlicker. So you're actually the biggest bootlicker here. Stop throwing rocks when you live in a glass house!