PAPI+the natural decline of a great hitter...

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    No one can fight nature.  Eye sight drops off a limitless after 35, like clock work on every human being.  Just a matter of if it happens at 36, 37, 38 or 39.  But never past 39.  Every great career has to come to an end, and we should enjoy Papi's remaking days at the plate, remembering what he gave to the RSN, the great city of Boston.  3 WS, that alone should put him in the pantheons of Red Sox greats.  Thanks Papi !

     
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    Commie,

    You would do far better with far fewer words, and a a couple of statistics.

    For exampe,

    • What is is average distance per flyball?
    • What is his HR/FB, and what are his career numbers?
    • What is driving his lower OPS?
    • What is his K/W?
    • What is his O-swing%, and related stats?

    At the heart of your post is basically, you predicted he would be a year older this year.

     

     
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    "i called it perfectly last year"

    Whoa....you mean aging players eventually slow down? 

    Man I didn't see that one coming!

      
     
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    Looks like Ortiz will have another walk off chance.

     
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    he can still get the job done for a DH but yea he's getting older, slower, and fatter - and no one is paying me 14 mil a year! 

    As always - 100% correct!

     
     
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    In response to georom4's comment:

    he can still get the job done for a DH but yea he's getting older, slower, and fatter - and no one is paying me 14 mil a year! 

    As always - 100% correct!

     




    He looked at his double for a few seconds before taking off out of the batter's box.  He would have been knocked in for the game winning RBI if safe instead of out. 

     
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    In response to BostonTrollSpanker's comment:

    "i called it perfectly last year"

    Whoa....you mean aging players eventually slow down? 

    Man I didn't see that one coming!

      



    Hey, leave commie alone. I for one thought you got younger as you got aged. Aging means getting older and slowing down?

    Who knew?

     

     

     
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    In response to royf19's comment:


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    "i called it perfectly last year"


    Whoa....you mean aging players eventually slow down? 


    Man I didn't see that one coming!



      



    Hey, leave commie alone. I for one thought you got younger as you got aged. Aging means getting older and slowing down?


    Who knew?


     


     




    Aging is great for SCOTCH, but sux for humans. Also, some people age better than others. Also, for some people, 14 million dollars isn't enough motivation to stay slim.


     


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    Time has caught up to him; we just have to accept it.  The reflexes have slowed ever so slightly, and in baseball, that's all it takes.  He has reached the age where his swing has to start a little bit sooner, which leaves him vulnerable to pitches not exactly what and where he thought they were going to be.  Pitches he used to foul off he misses.  He will still have hot streaks, but the cold streaks will be a bit longer and more frequent than they used to be.  We watched it with Yaz 30 years ago and I think we are starting to see it with Papi.

     
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    wasnt this same thread started 2011, 2012, & 2013?


    can we take a look at the entire teams 2014 BA vs previous years?  maybe everyone on the team needs glasses??? or are they all headed out to pasture for old age to collect social security, AARP, cheaper movie tickets, and spend hours writing letters to readers digest???


    nah...it's just david ortiz that is too old to hit anymore.  right?????

     
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    All this talk about Ortiz's decline, yet he's on pace for 35 HRs and 99 RBIs -- and that pace includes his cold spell in June when he's batting just .192 after hitting .250 in April and .277 in June.

    I expected his average to come down. He's at .249 right now but I expect him to end up in the .260 to .280 range. He remains the team's best run producer, so any problems the Sox have in that department have little to do with him. He's batting .267 w/RISP -- not great but respectable at least especially as a team, the Sox are much worse.

    His numbers vs. RHP and LHP are nearly equal in terms of OBP, SLG and OPS. He's hitting just .245 vs. RHP and .256 vs. LHP. Typically he crushes RHP, so if wouldn't be surprised to see his numbers vs. RHP start to move up.

     

     
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    Most Successful Red Sox team player post-1918===David Ortiz. Most guys numbers do decline with age, deal with it. As for his importance to even the '14 Sox, you do realize, people, we have NO POWER TO SPEAK OF...EXCEPT FOR BIG PAPI....NONE.

     
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    slasher, I put very little stock when Ortiz struggled in 2008 and especially 2009.  He was (reportedly) 33-34 at the time, and while some guys slow up around that age, many continue to perform well for another few years, as he did.


     


    But Ortiz is now at least 38, and there are not too many players (especially sluggers) who continue to maintain high levels of performance at that age.  Papi is still a good hitter but he isn't what he once was (who of us is?) and to expect that is foolhardy.  I watched it with Yaz.  Mays.  Aaron.  Jackson. McCovey.  The issue isn't Papi; someone else should be stepping up to carry this team.

     
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    illinois, exactly. All these young-ins on the roster, and it's a collection of banjo guys. Holt may be the most prolific of the banjo crew. Good hitter, not much power. Bradley is on the far end of that scale, great glove, not much of a hitter period--and again lacks power. "Lacks power" should be the scouting note on pretty much most of the Sox active roster.

     
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    napoli is the only other hitter on this team that we can consider "power hitter".  and as we know he can be streaky.  who else? 

    ortiz will be considered the "man" until someone steps up.  that's not happening this season.  and until he finishes a season batting <.270 i will keep the faith in him.  he does seem to be extra animated in his disdain for the shift this season.  seems to be in his head more than i can remember.  i think he really needs to drop a few (as in a few, not one or two) bunts down the 3rd baseline.

     
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    Hahahaha.  There are, as always, a plethora of ways to knock the big guy down a peg and write his epitaphs, most of them patently false or utter nonsense.  However, the one that has the most legs this year is this very true and important factor:  the big man is even slower than ever up the line.  Whew, I can't even argue there.  it is true.  Papi is slow.  Sloowwwwwww.  Nothing can wipe the delicious taste of a 30+/100+ season from your star slugger than a slow slog up the line.

         
     
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    i called it perfectly last year. barring injury or eye issues, no sudden total decline a la Rice. saw it more like Molitor or even reggie jackson. figure this year and perhaps even next year his power numbers would remain relatively stable and similar but the average would dip. no more .300 or .290. but yeah .270 at BEST and .240 at the low end with more strikeouts (less contact capacity, cant use most fields like before). in 2 years , barring injury, as the power numbers and average dip, papi, willl likely trade power for average as Reggie once did in his later years with oakland.. think he approached or hit .300 in one of his later years (shocking many).. but had little of the famous power.

     

    by the fourth year, as pitchers grasp his crutch+compensation, that soon dissipates as well.. now ur stuck with no power or average.. thus soon, the team is resting you a  lot more and strategically only playing you against certain guys (junkballing specialists) as the great Papi drops to 7th or even 8th in the lineup.

     

    hey, if it works, could be like ichiro right about now. at best, you get a fifth year as u announce it will be your last . if not, 4th year is your last to save your ego+pride.. also, depends on one's contract situation.. so, barring injury, can see papi out there for another 5 years MAX

     

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    guess we can now look forward to your predictions for EVERY other player in Big P's age group??

     
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    i called it perfectly last year?

    besides, how can you postion it as a "natural" decline, them claim to have "called" it??

     




     
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    i called it perfectly last year?

    besides, how can you postion it as a "natural" decline, them claim to have "called" it??

     







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    i called it perfectly last year?

    besides, how can you postion it as a "natural" decline, them claim to have "called" it??

     







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    Its natural.   CALLED IT!

    LOL..hey Space!!


     
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    i called it perfectly last year?

    besides, how can you postion it as a "natural" decline, them claim to have "called" it??

     







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    Its natural.   CALLED IT!

    LOL..hey Space!!




    Speaking of getting old...I notice your avatar this year is of a very young jeter.  Coincidence?  I think not
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    Ortiz still second in the DH voting for the All-Star game behind Nelson Cruz.

     

     
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    All this talk about Ortiz's decline, yet he's on pace for 35 HRs and 99 RBIs -- and that pace includes his cold spell in June when he's batting just .192 after hitting .250 in April and .277 in June.

    I expected his average to come down. He's at .249 right now but I expect him to end up in the .260 to .280 range. He remains the team's best run producer, so any problems the Sox have in that department have little to do with him. He's batting .267 w/RISP -- not great but respectable at least especially as a team, the Sox are much worse.

    His numbers vs. RHP and LHP are nearly equal in terms of OBP, SLG and OPS. He's hitting just .245 vs. RHP and .256 vs. LHP. Typically he crushes RHP, so if wouldn't be surprised to see his numbers vs. RHP start to move up.

     




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    That's why I asked Commie about Papi's various stats.  I guess he didn't care to research them, but the only difference between this year and last year is his BABIP.  Last year, it was a bit high, so regression and age suggest lower numbers.  But this year, his BABIP is pretty low, so there should be an expectation of better results as he reverts.

     
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    Re: PAPI+the natural decline of a great hitter...

    So what you're saying is Papi was his oldest in 2009 when he hit .238, right? 

    -Daf. 

     
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