Paterno Family Don't Get It, and Just Won't Stop Either

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    If consent between adults (within the law) is not the standard for all adult behavior toward each other, what is?





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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    The stupidity is so great, today, that it's impossible to discuss the issue of sexual behavior beyond the intellecutal level of an intoxicated adict.

    "Age of consent" and "statutory rape" and "consenting adults" are the artifice of idiots.

    American culture has never been more disturbed with regard to sexual behavior.

     

     



    Examples please?

     

    Thanks.

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    Hooking up
    Playboy channel advertisments targeting married couples.

    My priest is disturbed at how many sins he hears in confession due to porn on the internet

    Porn is violence against women and it's all over, tv, music, movies, etc.

    High divorce rate

    Couples living together at alarming rates without the benifit of marriage

    Killing of babies that were born alive after botched abortions, look at the kermit gosnel trial as one example.

    I know you will bring up the priest scandle and you would be right in saying that was horrible but the overwhelming percentage of priests are good men. 

     

     

     

     
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    The stupidity is so great, today, that it's impossible to discuss the issue of sexual behavior beyond the intellecutal level of an intoxicated adict.

    "Age of consent" and "statutory rape" and "consenting adults" are the artifice of idiots.

    American culture has never been more disturbed with regard to sexual behavior.

     

     



    Examples please?

     

    Thanks.

     



    Turn on your tv, any channel for examples. Put in any movie for examples. Drive down the road and look at any billboard for examples. The culture is completely saturated with sexual images and inuendos, and you want examples?

     

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    Exactly

     
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    Hmmm...maybe Bill and Softy ARE the same person.  Bill accused me of that just this morning!

     



    they are the same person

     
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    Hmmm...maybe Bill and Softy ARE the same person.  Bill accused me of that just this morning!

     

     

     

     

     



    they are the same person

     

     

     



    No way; just check the writing styles

     

     
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    The stupidity is so great, today, that it's impossible to discuss the issue of sexual behavior beyond the intellecutal level of an intoxicated adict.

    "Age of consent" and "statutory rape" and "consenting adults" are the artifice of idiots.

    American culture has never been more disturbed with regard to sexual behavior.

     

     



    Examples please?

     

    Thanks.

     



    Turn on your tv, any channel for examples. Put in any movie for examples. Drive down the road and look at any billboard for examples. The culture is completely saturated with sexual images and inuendos, and you want examples?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    No question.  Over-saturated to a sickening extent.  Follow-up question:  how much of this saturation is a bi-product of unfettered capitalism?  Moving product is our highest value, far and above any moral notions.  Sex sells. 

     
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    hahaha.  soft-bill is hating because:  bible extreme right wing prejudices. 

    it is absolute insanity to compare what 2 consenting adults may or may not do with/to/for each other vs an adult man violating a child.

    one is a crime reading between the lines in your book on your nightstand

    the other is an actual crime against humanity. 

     

     
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    How many of these pop cultural examples show sexual predators preying on little boys, with revered icons covering up the mess?

     

     



    Thank you.

     

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    I think the cultural examples are good ones.  If a culture is saturated with smut people will absorb it. 

    Take for example the playboy channel advertising to married couples.  They say that watching that channel will be good for the couples togetherness so to speak.  They are taking what should be a beautiful moment between a husband and wife and turning it into gutter porn.

    This type of behavior and way of thinking most certainly does have an affect on the couple and their way of thinking.  Start down the slipper slope of porn and you are in big trouble.

    Look at the hook-up culture, friends with benefits.  These kids have recreational encounters on a regular basis.  They say it's no big deal, it doen't mean anything.  Is that what a very intimate moment has come to, no big deal

    What happens when these kids get married, are they so numb that it's not meaningful anymore.

    Maybe that's why they need the playboy channel to get them going.

    So you see, our culture has a direct bearing on our behavior. That is common knowlege.

    A s e x saturated culture is going to produce  problems that relate to s e x

     
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    If consent between adults (within the law) is not the standard for all adult behavior toward each other, what is?





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
    - Thomas Jefferson

     




    Thousands of years and thousands of cultures say that marraige is between a man and a woman.  Societies need to reproduce themselves to survive, simple

     

     
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    How many of these pop cultural examples show sexual predators preying on little boys, with revered icons covering up the mess?

     

     

     

     



    Thank you.

     

     

     

     

     


    I think the cultural examples are good ones.  If a culture is saturated with smut people will absorb it. 

     

     

    Take for example the playboy channel advertising to married couples.  They say that watching that channel will be good for the couples togetherness so to speak.  They are taking what should be a beautiful moment between a husband and wife and turning it into gutter porn.

    This type of behavior and way of thinking most certainly does have an affect on the couple and their way of thinking.  Start down the slipper slope of porn and you are in big trouble.

    Look at the hook-up culture, friends with benefits.  These kids have recreational encounters on a regular basis.  They say it's no big deal, it doen't mean anything.  Is that what a very intimate moment has come to, no big deal

    What happens when these kids get married, are they so numb that it's not meaningful anymore.

    Maybe that's why they need the playboy channel to get them going.

    So you see, our culture has a direct bearing on our behavior. That is common knowlege.

    A s e x saturated culture is going to produce  problems that relate to s e x

     



    There is some truth to this, but then what motivated the Catholic Church pedophilia over the centuries?

     

     
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    In response to 67redsox's comment:

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    If consent between adults (within the law) is not the standard for all adult behavior toward each other, what is?





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
    - Thomas Jefferson

     




    Thousands of years and thousands of cultures say that marraige between a man and a woman.  Societies need to reproduce themselves to survive, simple

     

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    So, by maintaining marriage exlusivity between man and woman, we can make gay people attracted to opposite sex and reproduce?  If we allow same-sex marriage, people who might otherwise be reproducing might be persuaded to be gay?

     
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    hahaha.  soft-bill is hating because:  bible extreme right wing prejudices. 

    it is absolute insanity to compare what 2 consenting adults may or may not do with/to/for each other vs an adult man violating a child.

    one is a crime reading between the lines in your book on your nightstand

    the other is an actual crime against humanity. 

     

     



    Well put; this thread has been derailed, because it was mostly about Paterno, his family, their pathetic lawsuit, Penn State, the NCAA, and Sandusky

     

     
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    The stupidity is so great, today, that it's impossible to discuss the issue of sexual behavior beyond the intellecutal level of an intoxicated adict.

    "Age of consent" and "statutory rape" and "consenting adults" are the artifice of idiots.

    American culture has never been more disturbed with regard to sexual behavior.

     

     



    Examples please?

     

    Thanks.

     

     

     



    Turn on your tv, any channel for examples. Put in any movie for examples. Drive down the road and look at any billboard for examples. The culture is completely saturated with sexual images and inuendos, and you want examples?

     

     

     

     



    No question.  Over-saturated to a sickening extent.  Follow-up question:  how much of this saturation is a bi-product of unfettered capitalism?  Moving product is our highest value, far and above any moral notions.  Sex sells. 

     

     


    The revolution started with the pill.  People could sleep around and not worry about it.  Playboy became popular.  The kinsey report came out, by the way the guy had to get his info from men in jail and prostitues because people with morals wouldn't talk about such things.

     

    The above started us down the slippery slope, high divorce rate, free s e x, living together, higher abortion rates, porn everywhere you look etc.  Before the pill there were 2 or 3 std's now there are over 30.

    Because our society is satured with porn we have become numb to it so advertisers have to use more and more shocking scenes to get our attention.  Everything comes down to the declining morals in our society.

     
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    The stupidity is so great, today, that it's impossible to discuss the issue of sexual behavior beyond the intellecutal level of an intoxicated adict.

    "Age of consent" and "statutory rape" and "consenting adults" are the artifice of idiots.

    American culture has never been more disturbed with regard to sexual behavior.

     

     



    Examples please?

     

    Thanks.

     

     

     

     



    Turn on your tv, any channel for examples. Put in any movie for examples. Drive down the road and look at any billboard for examples. The culture is completely saturated with sexual images and inuendos, and you want examples?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    No question.  Over-saturated to a sickening extent.  Follow-up question:  how much of this saturation is a bi-product of unfettered capitalism?  Moving product is our highest value, far and above any moral notions.  Sex sells. 

     

     

     

     

     


    The revolution started with the pill.  People could sleep around and not worry about it.  Playboy became popular.  The kinsey report came out, by the way the guy had to get his info from men in jail and prostitues because people with morals wouldn't talk about such things.

     

     

    The above started us down the slippery slope, high divorce rate, free s e x, living together, higher abortion rates, porn everywhere you look etc.  Before the pill there were 2 or 2 std's now there are over 30.

    Because our society is satured with porn we have become numb to it so advertisers have to use more and more shocking scenes to get our attention.  Everything comes down to the declining morals in our society.

     



    This was always the case, but it was quieter; during WWII there was a VD epidemic, and frequent extra-marital affairs and alternate lifestyles have occurred since the beginning of time.

     

     
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    How many of these pop cultural examples show sexual predators preying on little boys, with revered icons covering up the mess?

     

     

     

     



    Thank you.

     

     

     

     

     


    I think the cultural examples are good ones.  If a culture is saturated with smut people will absorb it. 

     

     

    Take for example the playboy channel advertising to married couples.  They say that watching that channel will be good for the couples togetherness so to speak.  They are taking what should be a beautiful moment between a husband and wife and turning it into gutter porn.

    This type of behavior and way of thinking most certainly does have an affect on the couple and their way of thinking.  Start down the slipper slope of porn and you are in big trouble.

    Look at the hook-up culture, friends with benefits.  These kids have recreational encounters on a regular basis.  They say it's no big deal, it doen't mean anything.  Is that what a very intimate moment has come to, no big deal

    What happens when these kids get married, are they so numb that it's not meaningful anymore.

    Maybe that's why they need the playboy channel to get them going.

    So you see, our culture has a direct bearing on our behavior. That is common knowlege.

    A s e x saturated culture is going to produce  problems that relate to s e x

     



    There is some truth to this, but then what motivated the Catholic Church pedophilia over the centuries?

     



    There are sick people among teachers, scout leaders, protestant ministers, rabbies, doctors, nurses, moms, dads, baby sitters, pre-school teachers and so on.

    A friend of mine has a sister who thought herself to be a lesbian.  She had her first lesbian experience at a girl scout camp.  She is now happily married, she has overcome her lesbian abuser at camp

    Society produces these types of people so there has been an epidemic of this sad and sick behavior. Of course this behavior has always been around but not to this extent.

     
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    I think the cultural examples are good ones.  If a culture is saturated with smut people will absorb it. 
    Take for example the playboy channel advertising to married couples.  They say that watching that channel will be good for the couples togetherness so to speak.  They are taking what should be a beautiful moment between a husband and wife and turning it into gutter porn.

    This type of behavior and way of thinking most certainly does have an affect on the couple and their way of thinking.  Start down the slipper slope of porn and you are in big trouble.

    Look at the hook-up culture, friends with benefits.  These kids have recreational encounters on a regular basis.  They say it's no big deal, it doen't mean anything.  Is that what a very intimate moment has come to, no big deal

    What happens when these kids get married, are they so numb that it's not meaningful anymore.

    Maybe that's why they need the playboy channel to get them going.

    So you see, our culture has a direct bearing on our behavior. That is common knowlege.

    A s e x saturated culture is going to produce  problems that relate to s e x



    '67, I don't disagree with that. But I also don't see how it applies here. Nowhere have I seen TV shows or movies that glorify pedophilia, which is what Sandusky's crime was.

     

     
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    How many of these pop cultural examples show sexual predators preying on little boys, with revered icons covering up the mess?

     

     

     

     



    Thank you.

     

     

     

     

     


    I think the cultural examples are good ones.  If a culture is saturated with smut people will absorb it. 

     

     

    Take for example the playboy channel advertising to married couples.  They say that watching that channel will be good for the couples togetherness so to speak.  They are taking what should be a beautiful moment between a husband and wife and turning it into gutter porn.

    This type of behavior and way of thinking most certainly does have an affect on the couple and their way of thinking.  Start down the slipper slope of porn and you are in big trouble.

    Look at the hook-up culture, friends with benefits.  These kids have recreational encounters on a regular basis.  They say it's no big deal, it doen't mean anything.  Is that what a very intimate moment has come to, no big deal

    What happens when these kids get married, are they so numb that it's not meaningful anymore.

    Maybe that's why they need the playboy channel to get them going.

    So you see, our culture has a direct bearing on our behavior. That is common knowlege.

    A s e x saturated culture is going to produce  problems that relate to s e x

     



    There is some truth to this, but then what motivated the Catholic Church pedophilia over the centuries?

     

     



    There are sick people among teachers, scout leaders, protestant ministers, rabbies, doctors, nurses, moms, dads, baby sitters, pre-school teachers and so on.

     

    A friend of mine has a sister who thought herself to be a lesbian.  She had her first lesbian experience at a girl scout camp.  She is now happily married, she has overcome her lesbian abuser at camp

    Society produces these types of people so there has been an epidemic of this sad and sick behavior. Of course this behavior has always been around but not to this extent.

    [/QUOTE]

    It so happens there's less now than the 60s-70s. 

     
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    The stupidity is so great, today, that it's impossible to discuss the issue of sexual behavior beyond the intellecutal level of an intoxicated adict.

    "Age of consent" and "statutory rape" and "consenting adults" are the artifice of idiots.

    American culture has never been more disturbed with regard to sexual behavior.

     

     



    Examples please?

     

    Thanks.

     

     

     



    Turn on your tv, any channel for examples. Put in any movie for examples. Drive down the road and look at any billboard for examples. The culture is completely saturated with sexual images and inuendos, and you want examples?

     

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    No question.  Over-saturated to a sickening extent.  Follow-up question:  how much of this saturation is a bi-product of unfettered capitalism?  Moving product is our highest value, far and above any moral notions.  Sex sells. 

     

     

     

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    The revolution started with the pill.  People could sleep around and not worry about it.  Playboy became popular.  The kinsey report came out, by the way the guy had to get his info from men in jail and prostitues because people with morals wouldn't talk about such things.

     

    The above started us down the slippery slope, high divorce rate, free s e x, living together, higher abortion rates, porn everywhere you look etc.  Before the pill there were 2 or 2 std's now there are over 30.

    Because our society is satured with porn we have become numb to it so advertisers have to use more and more shocking scenes to get our attention.  Everything comes down to the declining morals in our society.

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    I think I agree with your general view of a declining moral fabric, a horrible desensitizing of sexuality through over-saturation, and the risks and pitfalls brought on by technological advancements in birth control.

    I am sure we disagree as to the cause and effect relationships that brought us to this place.  

     
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    If consent between adults (within the law) is not the standard for all adult behavior toward each other, what is?





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
    - Thomas Jefferson

     

     




    Thousands of years and thousands of cultures say that marraige between a man and a woman.  Societies need to reproduce themselves to survive, simple

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    So, by maintaining marriage exlusivity between man and woman, we can make gay people attracted to opposite sex and reproduce?  If we allow same-sex marriage, people who might otherwise be reproducing might be persuaded to be gay?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Not what I said.  I think you are smart enough to understand my meaning, you just don't want to accept it.

     
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    Sexuality has always been an evolving prt of adult human existence since day one. 

    What adults do to children in regards to sexuality is wrong no if ands or buts.

    What one believes is wrong and other ok is always being debated and has created change. How and why laws have changed is part of that discourse. 

    Just remember at one time men ruled how women dressedThe hat has changed is the fact that what we see in all media comes under the first amendment it our decision to look or not. Just as porn is be coming more main stream it is still the individual who must decide what to do with it.

    yes the world has changed for the worse that is an individual belief. However what we all believed about sexuality 50 yrs or even 10 yrs ago has probably changed.

     

    Love the Red Sox and enjoy the ride every year.

     
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    I think the cultural examples are good ones.  If a culture is saturated with smut people will absorb it. 
    Take for example the playboy channel advertising to married couples.  They say that watching that channel will be good for the couples togetherness so to speak.  They are taking what should be a beautiful moment between a husband and wife and turning it into gutter porn.

    This type of behavior and way of thinking most certainly does have an affect on the couple and their way of thinking.  Start down the slipper slope of porn and you are in big trouble.

    Look at the hook-up culture, friends with benefits.  These kids have recreational encounters on a regular basis.  They say it's no big deal, it doen't mean anything.  Is that what a very intimate moment has come to, no big deal

    What happens when these kids get married, are they so numb that it's not meaningful anymore.

    Maybe that's why they need the playboy channel to get them going.

    So you see, our culture has a direct bearing on our behavior. That is common knowlege.

    A s e x saturated culture is going to produce  problems that relate to s e x

     



    '67, I don't disagree with that. But I also don't see how it applies here. Nowhere have I seen TV shows or movies that glorify pedophilia, which is what Sandusky's crime was.

     

     

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    I didn't say there was but the net is saturated with that smut.

     
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    Thousands of years and thousands of cultures say that marraige is between a man and a woman.  Societies need to reproduce themselves to survive, simple


    Being that only about 2 percent of the population is gay, reproducing shouldn't be an issue.

     

     
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    I didn't say there was but the net is saturated with that smut.

    [/QUOTE]
    There's no question about that. And honestly, there's too  much in the theaters and on TV. And the violence is even  worse.

     

     
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    hahaha.  soft-bill is hating because:  bible extreme right wing prejudices. 

    it is absolute insanity to compare what 2 consenting adults may or may not do with/to/for each other vs an adult man violating a child.

    one is a crime reading between the lines in your book on your nightstand

    the other is an actual crime against humanity. 

     

     



    Well put; this thread has been derailed, because it was mostly about Paterno, his family, their pathetic lawsuit, Penn State, the NCAA, and Sandusky

     



    You have been around long enough to know this was probably going to happen.  I think what happened at that school is horrible and the lawsuit is pathetic

     
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    Btw the law suit is about the fact that thppt he report was accepted with no discussion on the reports merits. If some one wrote a rapt on anyone of us and we had no chance to refute anything in it we'd be pissed as well.

     

    i also see no reason for the players to be punished. Firing of those that did not dtherein jobs but taking bowls from the players is going over board.

    Love the Red Sox and enjoy the ride every year.

     
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