Paterno Family Don't Get It, and Just Won't Stop Either

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    I went to parochial grade school and when we went to public high school, we excelled....by leaps and bounds.  Those Franciscan nuns took their job seriously.

     
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    Please back up with fact that their is a natural progression of sexual identity.  I have heard this new term before, where are the facts to back up such a statement.



    I have heard this term "jesus rose from the dead on sunday" before.  where are the facts to back up such a statement?

     
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    Please prove to me that there is a natural progression of sexual and gender identity.  Where is your proof?  where is your proof?


     

     



    please prove to me that the person/people/organization/corporation that wrote the bible had anything to do with it being the "words of God". 

     

     
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    I have personally been harmed more by reckless drivers than by consenting adults engaged in private activity. There is more danger to citizens on our highways than from any activity taking place between consenting adults in private.





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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    The reality is that man makes all the moral rules and that they have changed through history. Like it or not, there is no moral authority higher than man and man's laws. What happens after death is irrelevant.





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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    There are no "gay people" and "straight people".  Complete nonsense! 



    Interesting theory.

     
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    A decadent society created massive inflation. That was the main cause of the fall of the Roman Empire.



    No it was actually barbarian hordes from central Europe. The Roman Enpire lasted until the 15th century as a super religious empire.

     
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    Paterno family is just trying to protect their name brand in PA. They use to be royalty and now they are child molesting enablers...they have enough money to fight it...




    Yup. That's all  this  is.

     
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    Hey bosoxjoe5

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/parent_furor_at_bawdy_sex_ed_hdtJZVpYrFFtTZeVKMbGvN


    This article from the new york post proves my point.

    Paul has not been downgraded lol.  Where do you get your information.

    www.newadvent.org is a great place to get good solid catholic info.

    Of course those with ssad can get to heaven as long as they die in a state of grace which is being free from mortal sin.

    In the beginning God made man and woman and told them to multiply.  Where is the paragraph in scripture that says God made man and man or woman and woman and told them to become intimate and not multiply.

    In the bible marriage has never been between a man and man or woman and woman.

     

     



    No it doesn't. This is a highly reactionary article.This class doesn't not teach anything that is not that actually deals with "homosexual acts". It seems like to me these are all heterosexual acts. Everything describe in this article can happen in a heterosexual relationships. The Go Ask Alice website is a pretty solid educational resource. Like many resources it has answers on things not apporate for all audiences. On top of this the class still preaches abstience. I find your reaction a reach. A fair reaction would be this should be tought by the parents but to say the are teaching homosexual acts is just a leap that is almost impossible to make. Teaching kids about sex doesn't make them gay. Not talking about sex doesn't stop kids from having sex. Gay people can disappear tomorrow and this class wouldn't change.

     

    Yes it does and it is reactionary to you because you don't like what it says.

    No one downgraded Paul. He is consider fallible on top of the he didn't have much to say on homosexuality. Do you follow Paul's preaching on women and slaves? My larger point, is that New Testament doesn't codemn gays.

     

    Paul is not considered fallible by the catholic church, where do you get your information.

     

    The Catholic Church doesn't require it you to believe in creation. As a matter of fact the Church has stated you can believe in evolution and not contraction any teachings of the Catholic Church.

    The catholic still teaches that God created the heavens and the earth.  It also teaches that God uses evolution in his creation.  You can't throw creationism out the window and adopt evolution and say this is what the church teaches.

    It has been like this from the 50's. You are not require to hold the Old Testament as anything more than a morality play. I went to Catholic school and they taught us that sex is some special that should be shared between two people who love each other enough to marry each other. They said you should only have sex if you are ready baby, but they never taught it was for just for procreation.

    Where do you get your information, this is absolutly false.  The old and new testament make up the bible that catholics use and is considered inspired by the holy spirit. The catholic church has neve condoned homosexual unions.

     

    The Catholic Church sent a generation of African's to their deaths by telling them dying from AIDS was better than using a condom. This policy changed last year do to all the deaths it caused. New Advent post random articles found online about the Catholic Church. Where are the critical articles? Why not go to a Traditionalist web site and read about how the Vatican II was a mistake?

    Please prove that the church sent a generation of africans to their deaths.  The condom policy has not changed.  New advent is a solid catholic traditional site where you can learn about what the church really teaches.  Vatican ll has been misinterpreted by progressive catholics but not by those who follow the teaches of the pope and magisterium in rome.

     

    Please stop using SSAD it makes you sound like bigot and detracts from everything else you post regardless of how accurate.

    Sadd is the correct term and I will continue to use it.  I use the correct medical term and I'm called a bigot, really.

    There is no need for you to support gay marriage, but you shouldn't require the government to enforce your world view.

    In most if not all states that were given a vote in choosing to allow homosexual marriage the people have voted no so you see this isn't just my world view.

     

    If you don't believe in sex ed don't send your kids to public schools, but let others who would rather have their kids not get pregnet and not get AIDS have sex ed.

    I tried public schools but chose to send my kids to private school for a number of reasons.  When my younger child was in 4th grade in public school I opted him out of sex ed and the kids teased him terribly.  When I called to complain I was told in a very nasty manner that I was the only one who was opting my child out.  When I opted my older child out of public middle school he and another kid were made to write for an hour in the school library.  I complained and it stopped.

    I taught my sons right from wrong.  Don't treat women like meat on a plate, they are persons who should be respected and wait till marriage.  My married son waited till the wedding night.  He said he wanted to do everything right because she was worth it.  Parents should take a greater role in the education of their children so we don't have to have strangers instill values and morals that we may not agree with.

    The same with marriage, if you don't need to go to a church that supports gay marriage but let two adults sign a contract.

    Please read through my prior posts to see why you are wrong.

     

    Christ is about love, to hold hateful views in your heart is working against Christ. Regardless of view you should love gay people like straight people.

     

    Christ did eat with sinners because they were in need of a doctor, those who were healthy didn't. He also told them that their sins were forgiven but to sin no more.  Love the sinner, hate the sin.  I don't hate and since you can't read hearts you should not say that I'm working agianst Jesus. As catholics we are taught not to hate so I don't.  I hope all people get to heaven so I love them as I do others but I can't love their sin because God finds it an abomination.

     

     




     

     



    The article doesn't say anything about NYC teaching kids to be gay.

     

    Paul is falliable because the Catholic Church doesn't promote slavery.

    The Old Testament doesn't have to be taken litterally. You don't have to believe in the flood or Eden to be a Catholic it has been like this for awhile. The Catholic Church doesn't follow Leviticus  yet some people still know two chapters.

    Read this article for an unbias view about the Catholic Church and AIDS:

    http://www.consultancyafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1135:the-catholic-church-versus-hivaids-in-africa-&catid=61:hiv-aids-discussion-papers&Itemid=268

    Also the traditionalist lost with the selection of Francis.

    SSAD is not a correct medical term is still in use because of the pray the gay away crowd.

    If people voted on it we would never overturned Jim Crow. This called tyranny and why we have separation of power. All the Dems have endorse gay marriage and GOP will in the next 5 years popular support has moved.

    List I believe you are good person, I just feel you have views that are dated. You have convictions but I feel like you have deeply though about why you have them.

     
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    It was the decadent society smart-guy. Use your brain and not only wikipedia.com

    And saying the empire lasted until the 15th century is much like saying the Marlins are still a MLB baseball team... it was a shadow of its former self at that point.



    It was fairly decadent it is high point but after Constantine it greatly changed. It changed most of its unused civil buildings in to churches. They just could deal with the never ending hordes, which were pagan, invading. 

     
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    No it was actually barbarian hordes from central Europe

    No, "barbarian hordes" were always present. They were able to, de facto, destory the Roman empire because of a society which self destructed as a result of decadent sloth and hendonism and a resulting massive inflation.



    They got much worse after the death of Atilla the Hun. The Empire was Christian at time of its fall. Most of what actually defines what it is To be a Christian came from the Roman Empire like the idea of the trinity, what books are in the Bible etc. By the fall of the Empire  it was illegal to be a pagan.

     
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    The stupidity is so great, today, that it's impossible to discuss the issue of sexual behavior beyond the intellecutal level of an intoxicated adict.

    "Age of consent" and "statutory rape" and "consenting adults" are the artifice of idiots.

    American culture has never been more disturbed with regard to sexual behavior.

     

     

     

     



    Examples please?

     

     

     

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    Hooking up
    Playboy channel advertisments targeting married couples.

     

     

    My priest is disturbed at how many sins he hears in confession due to porn on the internet

    Porn is violence against women and it's all over, tv, music, movies, etc.

    High divorce rate

    Couples living together at alarming rates without the benifit of marriage

    Killing of babies that were born alive after botched abortions, look at the kermit gosnel trial as one example.

    I know you will bring up the priest scandle and you would be right in saying that was horrible but the overwhelming percentage of priests are good men. 

     

     

     

     




     

    There is absolutely no proof that this is true. Where were all of the "good men" of the church who for years, quite possibly centuries, turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to children who were suffering at the hands of these other "good men"? How many "good men" spoke up for them? Good men would not remain silent in the face of such atrocities. (this applies to the Sandusky case as well)

    Good is as good does.

    Evil is as evil does.

    Simple.

     
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    The stupidity is so great, today, that it's impossible to discuss the issue of sexual behavior beyond the intellecutal level of an intoxicated adict.

    "Age of consent" and "statutory rape" and "consenting adults" are the artifice of idiots.

    American culture has never been more disturbed with regard to sexual behavior.

     

     



    Examples please?

     

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    Turn on your tv, any channel for examples. Put in any movie for examples. Drive down the road and look at any billboard for examples. The culture is completely saturated with sexual images and inuendos, and you want examples?

     

     

     

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    No question.  Over-saturated to a sickening extent.  Follow-up question:  how much of this saturation is a bi-product of unfettered capitalism?  Moving product is our highest value, far and above any moral notions.  Sex sells. 

     

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    Strange how we wrap capatalism up in the flag right along with God and country. We love to claim the moral high ground all the while basing our society on a system that is essentially amoral.

     
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    Not only does man alone make the rules, but only man can enforce them. Rules without enforcement don't do much to control human behavior. What those in power in any society deem moral is what is moral for that time. It is all relative. There is no enforcer of morality beyond man and man's societies.

    The fall of Rome was not caused by one simplistic thing. Christianity was one factor that contributed to it.





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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    This thread is careening.

     
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    If consent between adults (within the law) is not the standard for all adult behavior toward each other, what is?





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
    - Thomas Jefferson

     




    Thousands of years and thousands of cultures say that marraige is between a man and a woman.  Societies need to reproduce themselves to survive, simple

     




    How many cultures wiped off the face of the earth by zealots who called themselves missionaries because they would not tolerate any concepts or beliefs that in any way contradicted thier own narrow views?

    To the victor go the spoils.

    Spoils? We got 'em in spades. Just look at society as it exists today.

     
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    This thread is careening.




    Better jump off now while you still can. :)

     
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    If consent between adults (within the law) is not the standard for all adult behavior toward each other, what is?





    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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    Thousands of years and thousands of cultures say that marraige between a man and a woman.  Societies need to reproduce themselves to survive, simple

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    So, by maintaining marriage exlusivity between man and woman, we can make gay people attracted to opposite sex and reproduce?  If we allow same-sex marriage, people who might otherwise be reproducing might be persuaded to be gay?

     

     

     

     

     



    Not what I said.  I think you are smart enough to understand my meaning, you just don't want to accept it.

     

     

     



    Then how does gay marriage effect a society, the same people will be gay or straight regardless? If 90% continues to have marry and have children, why does it matter if the other 10% have at least the ability to wed. You don't have get gay married or even go to your church that supports gay marriage. You have yet to explain why 10% gaining the rights that 90% of the population currently has, is bad other than your personal religious beliefs that you can't force me to have morally or legally.

     

     




    I worked in the wedding industry for years.  I had to become and LLC to protect myself from law suites from those with ssad.  They were suing people who would not provide services for their wedding.  There are many out their who will provide services for their wedding so those with ssad had many options.  If I wasn't an LLC I could have lost not only my business, house, car and everything I own if I were sued.

     

    They were suing bakers for not providing cakes, invitation suppliers, etc.  I was contacted by different people to participate in bridal fairs.  I usually didn't answer.  A gay group contacted me over and over again. I felt like I was being harrast.

    I live in a state that requires that marriage be between a man and woman.  If I didn't I would have to rent out any property I had to a couple with ssad which goes against my religious beliefs.

    If you say anything negative about people with ssad it is considered hate speach.  This means that religious leaders may not speak from the pulpit about this issue.  This is already happening in Ireland.

    None of us lives on an island.  Those in any given society are intertwined.  Changing the rules of marriage affects us all.  The new sex ed class in NY teaches kids how to perform ssad acts.  We are all being affected by this.

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    Tell me, do you're religious beliefs include tolerance of others, or only tolerance for those of who you approve ?

     

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