Re: Pawsox news
posted at 9/15/2012 1:46 PM EDT
And Brentz is the one who will do it IMO...Moon, I have trouble giving up a bunch of prospects for a RF'er who, by the numbers, has been inconsistent.
Again, I wouldn't call Upton's track record "inconsistent". Other than this season's injury influenced season, Justin has been remarkably consistent by staying between a .799 and .899 OPS for 4 straight years between ages 20 and 23. This is in the majors! Not the minors! .799 to .899 from ages 20 to 23. At age 19, in the minors, he had a .961 OPS. This is the only season, he has been below .799 overall. That is not "inconsistent". It is the opposite. There is every reason in the world to expect .850-1.000+ OPS over the next 3 years.
While it is hard to compare Brentz to Upton, since Bryce entered the minors at age 21 and Upton entered the majors at 19/20, one could easily make the argument that Brentz has been more "inconsistent" than Upton:
2010: .598 (A-)
2011: .939 (A+ A)
2012: .814 (AA AAA)
If we were to give away such a haul of prospects, as your suggesting, it should be for a player with a better track record or through a couple prime years. he would be leaving Boston at age 28, the START of his prime. 28-32.
Actually, most offensive players have their "prime years" from 27-29, especially those who entered the majors before age 23-24.
The only way we should let go of top prospects is for pitching.
While I generally agree, we still need a "franchise" type everyday player as well, and I don't like the idea of signing Hamilton as the alternative.
I understand your thinking and the basis of your arguement and agree with it, but disagree on who we would be selling the future for and the lack of years we have him for. We can get a .270 hitter with a .345 OBP Rf'er who K's about 130 times a year for less. Is he the under .789OPS guy or the .898 one? Never once has been over .900 OPS in his career...I'll Pass.
How many 24 year olds have had two solid .898 to .899 OPS seasons under their belt? His "off season" in 2010 still saw a .356 OBP and 47 extra base hits in 495 ABs. He's also had 18-21 SBs in the 3 those years.
I will just let this be my last comment on the subject as we have both stated our sides thouroughly. I will respectfully just have to disagree with yours.
Perhaps we could get Upton without losing Brentz, and we might both be happy. Also, I would not be happy if all we got was Upton, or if getting Upton precluded getting a solid top of the rotation top starting pitcher or a couple 2-3 slot types.
I would rather try and sign Torii Hunter to play LF on a 2yr deal. Hes still a .290 hitter and brings the kind of leadership this team needs. Cody Ross has produced better than Upton this year and id rather have him in RF until Brentz is ready. Hes a better clubhouse guy as well.
I'd rather have Ross than Hunter, but I am hoping you are not calling him better than Upton based on one season whereby Ross has hyper-inflated stats due to the Fenway factor.