Pete Rose

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    Pete Rose

    I think enough is enough. IMO he's done his penance. He's not even allowed to go to a ballgame as a fan. Meanwhile some former players that were PED users are coaches. It's also clear, despite his mistakes, that he loves the game. When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.  

     
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    I think enough is enough. IMO he's done his penance. He's not even allowed to go to a ballgame as a fan. Meanwhile some former players that were PED users are coaches. It's also clear, despite his mistakes, that he loves the game. When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.  



    Yes!

     
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    I think enough is enough. IMO he's done his penance. He's not even allowed to go to a ballgame as a fan. Meanwhile some former players that were PED users are coaches. It's also clear, despite his mistakes, that he loves the game. When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.  




    do they have a sign in every locker room saying

    ''do not use peds''

    maybe they should but do they?

     

    just the other day he denied getting booted for gambling

    and you think all should be forgiven?

    he said it was for lying about gambling

     

    When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.

    U almost make it sound like it was bud who suspended rose

    so far it's 3 commishes vs your opinion

     

     

    I guess it's just to hard for some to grasp

    how much damage the perception of a fix game would do to the game

    roid damage isn't even close

     
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    Re: Pete Rose

    You'll recall that all-time hits leader Pete Rose, who's been under a lifetime ban from baseball since 1989 for gambling on his team while manager of the Redsrecently had this to say about his standing with MLB:

    "... And to be honest with you, I picked the wrong vice. I should have picked alcohol. I should have picked drugs or I should have picked up beating up my wife or girlfriend because if you do those three, you get a second chance. They haven't given too many gamblers a second chances in the world of baseball."

     

     
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    [QUOTE]

     

    I think enough is enough. IMO he's done his penance. He's not even allowed to go to a ballgame as a fan. Meanwhile some former players that were PED users are coaches. It's also clear, despite his mistakes, that he loves the game. When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.  

     




    do they have a sign in every locker room saying

     

    ''do not use peds''

    maybe they should but do they?

     

    just the other day he denied getting booted for gambling

    and you think all should be forgiven?

    he said it was for lying about gambling

     

    When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.

    U almost make it sound like it was bud who suspended rose

    so far it's 3 commishes vs your opinion

     

     

    I guess it's just to hard for some to grasp

    how much damage the perception of a fix game would do to the game

    roid damage isn't even close

    [/QUOTE]

    Dsagree; to me they're both bad, with IMO one not clearly more egregious than the other. Also, this is after 24 yrs, so the situation is different vs those other commishes. And he said, if I recall, that if he would have admitted it instead of lying about it from the beginning the penalty likely may not have been as harsh. And maybe they should have those signs in the clubhouse for PEDs; so if you're cheating, you'll be reminded practically every day.

     
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    I think he has been punished enough. Time to lift the ban. The only exception would be if they actually have evidence that he bet against his team. That could not be forgiven.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     
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    And maybe they should have those signs in the clubhouse for PEDs; so if you're cheating, you'll be reminded practically every day.

     

    point was

    they have them in every locker room for not gambling

    rose had to know about shoeless joe

    he was right there when mantle & mays got suspended

    just for working as  greeters at a casino

    those coaches you mention never saw anyone get in trouble for roids B4 they used

     

     

     
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    And maybe they should have those signs in the clubhouse for PEDs; so if you're cheating, you'll be reminded practically every day.

     

    point was

    they have them in every locker room for not gambling

    rose had to know about shoeless joe

    he was right there when mantle & mays got suspended

    just for working as  greeters at a casino

    those coaches you mention never saw anyone get in trouble for roids B4 they used

     

     

     



    I'm not trying to make light of what he did; and back in '89, he was obviously lying, ala Braun/Bonds/Clemens/ARod/Palmiero, much to my annoyment and practically everyone else; also, his lifetime ban was actually a deal brokered with his lawyers. However, like I said in my 1st post, enough is enough; that's all. That's MO and I don't expect evryone to agree. If this forum worked like it used to, I would have put it for a poll.

     

     
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    I think he has been punished enough. Time to lift the ban. The only exception would be if they actually have evidence that he bet against his team. That could not be forgiven.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     



    Agreed, and which Dowd never proved; unless that was sealed as part of the deal.

     

     
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    You'll recall that all-time hits leader Pete Rose, who's been under a lifetime ban from baseball since 1989 for gambling on his team while manager of the Redsrecently had this to say about his standing with MLB:

    "... And to be honest with you, I picked the wrong vice. I should have picked alcohol. I should have picked drugs or I should have picked up beating up my wife or girlfriend because if you do those three, you get a second chance. They haven't given too many gamblers a second chances in the world of baseball."

     



    Not good, but it smacks of bitterness; regardless, he appears to have a big and stupid mouth.

     
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    You'll recall that all-time hits leader Pete Rose, who's been under a lifetime ban from baseball since 1989 for gambling on his team while manager of the Redsrecently had this to say about his standing with MLB:

    "... And to be honest with you, I picked the wrong vice. I should have picked alcohol. I should have picked drugs or I should have picked up beating up my wife or girlfriend because if you do those three, you get a second chance. They haven't given too many gamblers a second chances in the world of baseball."

     

     

     



    Not good, but it smacks of bitterness; regardless, he appears to have a big and stupid mouth.

     

     

     



    If he gets in, it shouldn't be during in his lifetime.  Does he deserve to be there, yes. Does he deserve to see it, no. That's the ultimate punishment 

     

     
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    Most people keep their TOOLS in a box.......... Apparently, not everyone

     
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    Re: Pete Rose

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    I think enough is enough. IMO he's done his penance. He's not even allowed to go to a ballgame as a fan. Meanwhile some former players that were PED users are coaches. It's also clear, despite his mistakes, that he loves the game. When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.  


    Huh? Since when?

     

     

     
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    If Pete Rose showed even the slightest hint of contrition for his gambling, he would probably be considered for the Hall.  Maybe Pete continues the act because he made a big wager against himself making it into the Hall.

     
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    Rose was his own worst enemy during the early years of his suspension. Using the court of public opinion to pressure baseball into reinstating him. Rose used the press to argue his case while in fact all he was doing was promoting his book tours and autograph signings. Which drew the ire of not just Bud but Giamati and Vincent too. No one including, the aforementioned would argue that Rose deserves to be in the hall based on his play. So too does Shoeless Joe...who was actually acquitted of any wrong doing in a court of law. Landis citing the reasoning behind his decscision to ban all involved in the black Sox scandel dispite being aquitted was to restore the image of and integrity of the game with the public.

    Therein lyes the rub for Rose and for MLB it's more important that we the fans never think that the fix is on and that each game's results are only impacted by the success and failings of the two combatants. While I too am a proponent of allowing Rose and Jackson both to be enshrigned into the hall. I am not in favor of reinstating a known gambler and allowing him back on the field of play as a player, coach or manager. There's too much to lose and nothing to gain in doing so. Here's the deal the bookies always get thier money owed or use the power of influence to pressure those that are in too deep to do there bidding. Faced with the choice of fixing a game or having your wife's leg broke. Is the reality of dealing with the criminal element.

    Further when comparing the differing levels of cheating and misconduct detrimental to the game. I don't think that the penalty for gambling should be more or less than the penalty for those that have be outed for use of steroids. In fact I think the penalty for steroid use should mirror the consequence of gambling. While the perception that gambling eats away at the very core of the sports public trust. Having known abuser of performance enhancing drugs maintain employment only serves to enable those that chose to use and also clouds the perception that the games are being played on the level. If the penalty for steroid use mirrored the games stance on gambling, it wouldn't take long to clean up the game. While I understand due process, having a player that the evidence is overwhelming that he used on the field of play also impunes the integrity of the game.

    In the end, life is about choices, Rose knowing the consequences of his action would be dire, chose to bet on baseball. He will now and forever be the hit king on the outside looking in. A place deserving of his actions. Now hopefully Bud get busy and uses the power of congress to pressure the union to accept stiffer penalties for use of Peds And he scan start by imposing lifetime bans at the minor league level And pressuring owners into consorting and not offering contracts to players that were outed and failed a drug test...

     
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    Re: Pete Rose

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    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

     

    In response to nhsteven's comment:

     

     

    I think enough is enough. IMO he's done his penance. He's not even allowed to go to a ballgame as a fan. Meanwhile some former players that were PED users are coaches. It's also clear, despite his mistakes, that he loves the game. When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.  

     

     




    do they have a sign in every locker room saying

     

     

    ''do not use peds''

    maybe they should but do they?

     

    just the other day he denied getting booted for gambling

    and you think all should be forgiven?

    he said it was for lying about gambling

     

    When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.

    U almost make it sound like it was bud who suspended rose

    so far it's 3 commishes vs your opinion

     

     

    I guess it's just to hard for some to grasp

    how much damage the perception of a fix game would do to the game

    roid damage isn't even close



    Dsagree; to me they're both bad, with IMO one not clearly more egregious than the other. Also, this is after 24 yrs, so the situation is different vs those other commishes. And he said, if I recall, that if he would have admitted it instead of lying about it from the beginning the penalty likely may not have been as harsh. And maybe they should have those signs in the clubhouse for PEDs; so if you're cheating, you'll be reminded practically every day.

     



              "one not cleary more egregious than the other"

                   You're entitlled to you're opinion. I strongly disagree.

                   You don't hear people asking for the NBA ref's to be reinstated.

                  

     
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    Re: Pete Rose

    In response to J-BAY's comment:

    You'll recall that all-time hits leader Pete Rose, who's been under a lifetime ban from baseball since 1989 for gambling on his team while manager of the Redsrecently had this to say about his standing with MLB:

    "... And to be honest with you, I picked the wrong vice. I should have picked alcohol. I should have picked drugs or I should have picked up beating up my wife or girlfriend because if you do those three, you get a second chance. They haven't given too many gamblers a second chances in the world of baseball."

     



    LOL Sounds like Pete. Putting him in the HOF as a player could be done without his being reinstated to any other positions. Why they cant do that is more than I know--other than MLB doesnt want the "embarassment" of having Pete up there doing an acceptance speech.

     
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    It's not the crime, it's the coverup. Rose denied, denied, denied until ...  you guessed  it ... he had a book to sell. Had  he come clean from the start, we wouldn't be  discussing this now.

     

     
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    It's not the crime, it's the coverup. Rose denied, denied, denied until ...  you guessed  it ... he had a book to sell. Had  he come clean from the start, we wouldn't be  discussing this now.

     




    Sounds like some PED users.

    Guys that will be earning a nice paycheck from MLB next year.

     
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    Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan were disgusted with Rose and don't want him in. But Mike Schmidt tried hard to get Rose back in good standing with other fellow HOFs. I wonder how Bench, Morgan think now? When you look at the old the cheaters, all of these absolute disgusting cheating, lying, conniving, throwing other people under the bus losers of people---Braun (big whoop, he misses a portion of a season and still collects on over 100 million dollars, loses what 4 of it?), Bonds (a HOF if he never took), McGwire (he gets to have a hitting coach job, say what??), Clemens (somehow can utter a statement under oath that his wife did take steroids but not him..nice marriage, way to defend your spouse), Sosa (I didn't do it, oh, wait, there goes the superballs flying out of my bat)--and compare it to Pete Rose....well, it's not the same. Rose broke the cardinal rule that you are not supposed to gamble on MLB games---there is no way in the world he bet AGAINST his Reds. He did bet them to win...gee, put him in front of a firing squad for being a manager who wanted his team to win and bet on them to do so...Gambling is a vice and it's bally-hooed on TV in Horse Racing where every Tom Brady or athlete who owns a horse can bet on a race in public view and be cheered for picking the right horse. The Poker game shows used to be ratings winners 10-15 years ago before other Reality TV took over. All we do constantly is see Go to Vegas commercials, gambling is glamourous....Yes, during the 1919 BlackSox scandal the players ruined the game by throwing games and it was prevalent prior to that. Well, that was then, this is now. If you still have gambling affecting games (umpires for instance making interestingly bad calls?), then it's hard to see it now. I think it was a major problem and I think Judge Landis had it right. Except, they should be copying Judge Landis now and ban all of these yahoos instead of worthless 50-game suspensions that only allow Bartolo Colon to be an ace the next year for Oakland when he clearly is using even now. Look at his "re-birth."

     

    Rose should go in and he should be reinstated and when he got his 4,000 hits and broke the record for all-time hits, he did so as a clean player.  He didn't do drugs and he was an ambassador of the game...is he a liar? Sure, is he shady...yeah, he is. So was Ty Cobb. Anyway, let's give the guy a pass and forgive and put him in the Hall of Fame and make it what it was supposed to be--about the greatest players who ever played the game and their accomplishments--done as clean individuals. Also let's give Joe Jackson a pass too, it's time the truth come out, and this guy get a little compassion for doing the worst job in history of trying to throw a WS--he hit over .300 and made 2 or 3 sensational catches according to accounts. If anything, the PED users have made it so for the Gamblers to look like saints in comparison.

     
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    Re: Pete Rose

     I met Rose at a card signing thing in Vegas, ironically. I thought he was a cool guy. I asked him about the 75 World Series and said he loved the matchup, and felt the Sox were a lot better opponent than the Reds had thought coming in. He has done a lot of things that have been good for baseball--he really often would talk about the game and was a good public speaker before his suspension---he tried to publicize the great things about MLB. The guy understood about history too, and that's something today's ballplayers have no concept of. or few do.

     
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    The difference between Landis and Selig as commissioners is that Selig lost the concept of "best interests of the game." Landis didn't care about the not guilty verdicts for the BlackSox, he took the tact that gambling was ruining the game of MLB. He was right, it was, and it hit its ugly head in 1919. To be balanced, of course the owners treated the players mostly like dirt--except for Babe Ruth, but he didn't get that big contract till much later with the Yanks 10 years after the scandal. The players on the Chicago White Sox were not getting paid even close to passable pay for a winning team--so some crossed the line for extra dough. Perspective on that is important. But Landis I still feel did the right thing...the message was sent. Now, we fast forward and I say you lighten up the stance on "gambling" and go after the PEDs...I'm sorry, altering your performance with drugs has a massive impact on contests, more so than a guy conniving to "throw a game." Today, with all the camera views, it's almost impossible to even try to throw a game without people catching it right away.

     
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    Re: Pete Rose

    Also, I do find it interesting that when I was posting a Rose thread about 7-8 years ago here, the venom against him was higher. It seems people are starting to realize he isn't the worst individual ever as far as getting a life-time suspension. That others are far worse but not even getting but slaps on the wrist--and 50-game suspensions are just that for today's players.

     
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    Re: Pete Rose

    I don't buy the PED comparison.  When Rose was playing, the prohibition against gambling was like General Order #1 because MLB did not want a repeat of the Black Sox scandal.  It was the cardinal sin, which he committed repeatedly and then repeatedly lied about for many years. 

    PED's are bad, maybe even worse for MLB than gambling, but they have been a group thing, plus the MLBPA basically defended players who were using them.  It has taken a lot of effort just to get to the point of nailing some guys, especially ARod, but the problem is not by any means eliminated.  MLBPA is going to continue to try to protect the players from being punished for using PED's.  So there are still lots of users out there, and banning all of them from MLB for life is simply impractical. 

    That said, I think the recent biogenesis scandal could very well lead to Rose being reinstated.  Whether the sportswriters vote him into the HOF is another story. 

      

     
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    Re: Pete Rose

    In response to nhsteven's comment:

    I think enough is enough. IMO he's done his penance. He's not even allowed to go to a ballgame as a fan. Meanwhile some former players that were PED users are coaches. It's also clear, despite his mistakes, that he loves the game. When this sham of a commisioner retires (see PEDs) , his successor should reinstate him.  




     

    He should be in the Hall for what he did on the field as a player.

    Ban him from the game for what he did as a manager.

     

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