Re: Piazza admits to taking androstenedione
posted at 2/11/2013 10:37 AM EST
In response to pinstripezac35's comment:
1) Placing an age limit on the use of steriods won't change anything regarding the current dynamics...they're already illigal without a doctors prescription. If you do the math there's millions of teenaged boys today trying to make thier HS teams and playing youth baseball with thousands more playing college ball. So legalizing the use in pro baseball would only serve to drive the use further down the chain and thus the market for ilicit peds would explode...If you add football to the equasion the numbers are staggering...
I can't go with ''wont change anything''
while there is no perfect solution
I do think it keeps the big money from working on the masking of the drugs
thus making it easier to test / catch the kids
2) Clearly MLB the NFL and the NCAA all benefit from and could not exist without the marque athletes. In part due to the moneys they reap from thier respective network tv deals and thier sponsors. So in terms of tougher penalties. It's not the players unions, that I see as the largest stumbling block to tougher penanties for use, it's those that benefit from the players performance that want thier cake and eat it too. MLB had the perfect platform too inact far tougher testing standards and penalties when congress got involved. Under the guise of "cleaning up the game", they negoitaited in the best interest of the bottom line. Make no mistake about it all parties with an interest were invloved in drafting and approving the ammendments to the CBA.
a lot of interesting stuff there BT
could not exist without the marque athletes
I'm thinking the fact that you included the ncaa
kinda debunks your point
in other words it doesn't take much to replace yesterdays star
they negotiated in the best interest of the bottom line.
I have NP with them doing that....more in a min
3) Dispelling the myth? How many players that have been busted, proved that their test was a false positive? Braun used the chain of custody defense to wiggle out of his supension and so to did Sherman with the Seahawks. I'm not a doctor or a scientist, so I'm not going to debate whether it's posible or not. What I will say is that I've never read nor heard of any athlete that tested positive in any sport proving his or her test was eroneous.
I'm OK with all that BT
as you know I didn't coin the phrase ''false positive''
we are just entering the world of hgh testing
which as far as I know ( granted not very far )
the results are not as black & white as past urine /roids test
My position on performance enhancing drugs is farily simple. They have no place in sport. Those that choose to use are cheating not only the game, but themselves. I don't care if Arod one day finds himself in a wheel chair due to the cause and effect of his abusing steriods. Life's about choices and he's made his bed.
What I do care about is the implied need to use if you want to compete at the big league level. While many dismiss the larger social issue, fact is that every player currently in the game beggining at the HS level and onto and including all levels of college and professional baseball. The question of use is not if but when do they need to begin to ensure they don't get passed on the depth chart by someone that is. I'll repeat a comment I made earlier and that is by legalizing the use at the big league level. It will drive the use further down the chain and the fact of the matter is that are we as a society really ok with our athletes who are supposed to embody the idea of living healthy, all becoming freaks of nature.
clearly you have more faith in what the system can accomplish
than I do BT
kinda surprising consider your feelings about the ''drug war''
no news here
but U R clearly a better man than me
I'm a lot more selfish
4 me it's entertainment, a get away from real life problems
all I care about is keeping the game going
and I'm not confident pushing a 1 and done policy will do that
I appreciate the concern 4 the kids but
where do we stop
do we test movie stars and ban them
to prevent kids from wanting to look good
or become movie stars
So the age old adage of Pitching, defense and timely hitting are the keys to winning...Will be replaced with Pitching, Defense, timely hitting and the best doctors money can buy...
The San Francisco Chronicle, in a May 3rd 2005 article quoted former Major League pitcher Tom House of the Atlanta Braves as saying that steroids were rampant in the game in the late '60s and throughout the '70s.
House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves bullpen, said he and several teammates used amphetamines, human growth hormone and 'whatever steroid' they could find in order to keep up with the competition.
"I pretty much popped everything cold turkey', House said. "We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses. That was the '60s when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There's a lot more research and understanding."
House, 58, estimated that six or seven pitchers per team were at least experimenting with steroids or human growth hormone. He said players talked about losing to opponents using more effective drugs,
"We didn't get beat, we got out-milligrammed", he said. "And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them".
It would be interesting to find out exactly what House refers to as "steroids".
I'm very skeptical of House's story.
The East Germans and Russians were at that same time using steroids in their track athletes undetectable to testing.
Waldemar Cierpinski of Ploand finished ahead of defending Olympic champion Frank Shorter in 1976 Olympics but much later on it was determined Cierpinski dabbled in steroids.
Very hard to figure what would have been available to House in the USA either on the black market or elsewhere, no internet to speak of, no labs yet in the USA.
So just where did Mr. House get his steroids from? The east Germans? The Russians?
Sounds like a bunch of bs. Amphetamines during the time period yes, steroids no.
There are two sides to amphetamine use. The euphoric high the first day, the depressed down feeling the 2nd day.