POSITIVE THREAD: can BEN take a bow for AVILES, trading SCUTARO +getting ROSS, SCHOPPACH, SWEENEY +BYRD?

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    POSITIVE THREAD: can BEN take a bow for AVILES, trading SCUTARO +getting ROSS, SCHOPPACH, SWEENEY +BYRD?

    i'm putting on those valentine glasses. things have hit bottom, we can only go up from here. i see reasons for constructive optimism. in a short time, both doubront and bard could be the best pitchers in the rotation. the offense still put up 9 runs against the yanks. crawford had another HR in the minors yesterday. he clearly is an upgrade to anyone we have out in that OF right now. byrd will be an upgrade to the others as well. ells will return in a couple of months. salty is showing good signs and wont hit under .150 for much longer. beckett has been competitive. i expect youk to sson be youk as well, just as ortiz turned things around when all the doomers wanted hos head (you know who you are). buch is the one major guy i think has levelled in his mediocrity.

    barring further injury, we will turn things around for sure. val will figure it out. he's growing as well. real problems or oversights were in not re-signing papelbon and downplaying the role of a reliable healthy stud closer and frankly in abandoning tito for one bad MONTH after 7 successful overall years. they should have saved for pap and anticipated the new CBA by either not signing lackless or craw. wasnt crazy about them not re-signing v-mart or bay to 3 year deals but i could grasp their alternative logic and replacements. the lackey and craw signings were typical bratty rich kid moves. we did it for we could at that time. noone clearly asked what if it blows up. least with a pap, you knew what you had and what you needed to do first hand to maintain it. could take the heat! ditto with francona. val is learning on the job at a time this team needed a quick  jump! oh well...
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: SOX will be just fine, things will turn!

    this is a better start from last year...i really think we will be fine..we have the talent..just got to play baseball and have fun...
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: SOX will be just fine, things will turn!

    I wish I could agree with you at this point, and I hope you're right.  But I think there is something fundamentally wrong with this team that goes beyond its bullpen.  I'm not thrilled with acquisitions like Cody Ross and Sweeney, and Byrd, who has not been hitting his hat lately, seems like more of the same.

    Lastly, Valentine's behavior is beginning to annoy.  Tipping his hat to booing fans?  Bad move in Beantown.
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: SOX will be just fine, things will turn!

    I'm not going to mock you for staying positive, because we need positive fans right now and I think it's great you see it that way. I'm not sure it's based in reality, but, reality can change too.

    Pap would be great to have but some of this year's losses have been on our offense and/or starting pitching as well. Also, the idea you must have a high paid elite closer to win a World Series was disproven just last year with St. Louis. 

    Right now we have two decent, not amazing starters and the rest is a bit of a question mark. The bullpen is a mess, offense overrated, clubhouse entitlement culture was not addressed in the offseason (Francona was run up the pole to sacrifice for them all), and the manager seems like a bad fit at best. Oh, and the ownership is distracted by UK football, has put young Cherington on a shoestring budget suited for small market team, and we have more than 60 million in dead contracts. 

    But winning masks a lot of problems so I hope for all our sakes you are right.
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: SOX will be just fine, things have bottomed and will turn!

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    i'm putting on those valentine glasses. things have hit bottom, we can only go up from here. i see reasons for constructive optimism. in a short time, both doubront and bard could be the best pitchers in the rotation. the offense still put up 9 runs against the yanks. crawford had another HR in the minors yesterday. he clearly is an upgrade to anyone we have out in that OF right now. byrd will be an upgrade to the others as well. ells will return in a couple of months. salty is showing good signs and wont hit under .150 for much longer. beckett has been competitive. i expect youk to sson be youk as well, just as ortiz turned things around when all the doomers wanted hos head (you know who you are). buch is the one major guy i think has levelled in his mediocrity. barring further injury, we will turn things around for sure. val will figure it out. he's growing as well. real problems or oversights were in not re-signing papelbon and downplaying the role of a reliable healthy stud closer and frankly in abandoning tito for one bad MONTH after 7 successful overall years. they should have saved for pap and anticipated the new CBA by either not signing lackless or craw. wasnt crazy about them not re-signing v-mart or bay to 3 year deals but i could grasp their alternative logic and replacements. the lackey and craw signings were typical bratty rich kid moves. we did it for we could at that time. noone clearly asked what if it blows up. least with a pap, you knew what you had and what you needed to do first hand to maintain it. could take the heat! ditto with francona. val is learning on the job at a time this team needed a quick  jump! oh well...
    Posted by COMMUNIST-CONTRARIAN


    Trial by error ... this ownership group has never had to deal with real failure.  So there are real growing pains here.  Not sure why the pen can't get an out, it's worse than I can recall in a long time. 

    But the last 40 games surely aren't the bellweather for thiis team.

    Unless the pitrching continues to stink.

    It appears chicken and beer had nuthin' to do with it....
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: SOX will be just fine, things have bottomed and will turn!

    everyone off the ledge now? we are 5-10, exactly like last season. i dont know about y'all but i am more confident about this team. no dices, no lackeys, little upside from the cavalry. this team can only get better as middlebrooks comes up at some point in the OF or third. once craw comes back and conitinues the hot hitting he's been doing in the minors, this team will have one of the deepest and best OFs in all of baseball both offensively defensively. again, ells will be returning in about 6 weeks. cook has been lights out and throwing with more velocity than in recent years. 

    dice got bombed the other day and frankly i would work him at long relief in the short term at least or barring injury. little confidence. i look for us to go ona similar 40-14 tear as last year. 10 years is a long time to be out of baseball, val will figure it out. his candid moment with aceves yesterday was classic and is something enduring about the guy and more of what this team needs. salty's been ripping it, youk too will get going and gonzo will get on tear as will pedy. only papi will decline a bit. byrd has been a very solid hitter throughout his career and will break out of his chicago slump.
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: SOX will be just fine, things have bottomed and will turn!

    I don't know how "fine" they will be, but they certainly are going to do a lot better over the next month purely because of the teams they are playing.  Right now I see the Red Sox as a 500 team long term, but when Bailey and Ells come back, and if Craw comes back and plays well..who knows?  they might make some noise.
     
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    I don't know how "fine" they will be, but they certainly are going to do a lot better over the next month purely because of the teams they are playing.  Right now I see the Red Sox as a 500 team long term, but when Bailey and Ells come back, and if Craw comes back and plays well..who knows?  they might make some noise.
    Posted by snakeoil123
    i forgot about bailey, thats y you dont move bard back in the bullpen. bailey tends to come back strong from these things. once he comes back, the team can slot guys like aceves back to better roles. bard should stay as is. he's more important long term as a competent starter.
     
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    I'd rather have Valentine tipping his hat and being real than what happened at the end of Titos status, sitting doing nothing, being a grand daddy while chaos was in full bloom in the clubhouse.  The Sox will be fine and when the dog days are in, we'll be enjoying the teams ability to carry a New Englander through another summer.
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: SOX will be just fine, things have bottomed and will turn!

    The key thing is that they have to stay close enough to be able to make a run when they get back to full strength. That is not going to be easy. Not sure they can do it.
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: can BC take a bow for AVILES, trading SCUTARO, getting ROSS, SWEENEY +BYRD, +other such moves?

    ITS EASY to keep taking cheapshots at sox management for the bad moves but overwhelmingly their moves have been more positive lately than negative. look at byrd, the guy already has as many hits with the sawx as he did in 43 ABs with the cubbies. he's been solid in the field and the clubhouse as ell. very good karma around this guy. look at the pitching depth and cheap reinforcement we have coming up. rich hill is an elite lefty specialist, clearly an upgrade from the rook thomas and could even push morales a bit. before his injury last year, he was lights out. good move in re-signing him.

    despite all the noise around bard, love the insistence on making him a starter and keeping him there. i could care less how many shaky saves ace has, fact is he's getting saves and its not even may, bard is more needed as a solid top level starter (times have caught up to bottom rotation type in bucholz, his 1.92 WHIP is not an anomaly, he's been trending that way for a while). did anyone remotely think Ross and sweeney would be this positive all around? both guys are keepers, gamers and perfect stop-gaps. this is what theo should have done with left field rather than blowing his load all over crawford. sometimes holding your cards and going low is the best move. no need for a mega-star at every position. you can't force a fit or chemistry, every fear MOST experts had with craw and lackey has come through! frankley, the melancon deal doesnt really bother me. it was more important to get rid of lowrie. it was a logical move. who wouldnt take a flyer on a young closer type for such little risk. i'm going record now and predicting that melancon will not have a 40+ ERA fir the entire year. perhaps we could give him access to a sports psychologist for his big city big lights issues.

    regarding Morales, perhaps we could just keep him fresh for the road. the guy has allowed ZERO runs in 19 innings and 20 games! make him a closer on the road.

    mike aviles has been the hottest and best leadoff hitter in all of baseball. he's hitting .381 with FOUR HRs as a leadoff hitter. plus BV has said his defense has actually been even more impressive. here's what the great scutaro has done by comparison:

    BAHRRBIOBPSLG
    .22701.292.273

    btw, the sweep was the first since late july of last year when we swept seattle. easy schedule or not, a sweep is a sweep. we need to build confidence. athe key is to split with the elites and beat up on the bad. we are getting to .500 with a bullet. buch is the one starter i worry about. its easy street with the next TWO in my view (doubront, another great call; and bard)..
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: can BC take a bow for AVILES, trading SCUTARO, getting ROSS, SWEENEY +BYRD, +other such moves?

    beginning of the season...too many fans here panic WAY TOO EARLY....1st 3rd of season is to see what you have and  make neccessary adjustments..injury issues have played a big part also...(Yes something Theo and gang should have researched better)...This team is getting better...There are many 10,000+ posts posters on this site who should be ashamed of themselves for jumping ship so early.
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: can BC take a bow for AVILES, trading SCUTARO, getting ROSS, SWEENEY +BYRD, +other such moves?

    The OP is basically right.  Without Crawford and Ellsbury and with Youk a shadow of his former self and AGon not yet ready to go long, the current hitting by the Sox is as good as last year's in terms of runs scored and OPS.  Amazing, but true.  Ross, Sweeney, and Aviles, all offseason acquisitions by Ben, have so far been invaluable at the plate.  Shoppach has been decent as well and maybe Byrd will be too. 

    Funny thing is, Ben could not get a good deal for a starter and went inside to give opportunities to Doubront and Bard who by and large have outperformed (both have lower ERA's) the so-called "big three," Lester, Beckett, and especially Buchholz. 

    The one thing Cherington did try to fix/help was the bullpen by getting Bailey and Melancon, but Bailey is out, maybe for the season, and Melancon is unfortunately healthy and a disaster--the worst player on the team so far this season.  But both had seemingly good credentials, which shows how dicey getting good pitching can be.  Let's not forget that not keeping Papelbon was a decision made above the GM level, nor should we forget that last September the bullpen with Papelbon and Bard blew 6 of 9 saves to go along with the worst ERA (for September) in MLB. 
     
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    Re: POSITIVE THREAD: can BC take a bow for AVILES, trading SCUTARO, getting ROSS, SWEENEY +BYRD, +other such moves?

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    The OP is basically right.  Without Crawford and Ellsbury and with Youk a shadow of his former self and AGon not yet ready to go long, the current hitting by the Sox is as good as last year's in terms of runs scored and OPS.  Amazing, but true.  Ross, Sweeney, and Aviles, all offseason acquisitions by Ben, have so far been invaluable at the plate.  Shoppach has been decent as well and maybe Byrd will be too.  Funny thing is, Ben could not get a good deal for a starter and went inside to give opportunities to Doubront and Bard who by and large have outperformed (both have lower ERA's) the so-called "big three," Lester, Beckett, and especially Buchholz.  The one thing Cherington did try to fix/help was the bullpen by getting Bailey and Melancon, but Bailey is out, maybe for the season, and Melancon is unfortunately healthy and a disaster--the worst player on the team so far this season.  But both had seemingly good credentials, which shows how dicey getting good pitching can be.  Let's not forget that not keeping Papelbon was a decision made above the GM level, nor should we forget that last September the bullpen with Papelbon and Bard blew 6 of 9 saves to go along with the worst ERA (for September) in MLB. 
    Posted by maxbialystock

    +1 comrade... forgot about the winner in shoppach. also addition by subtraction in quitting both wake and tek. jeez, i though ONLY tek could catch beckett or make a starting unit a winner? sometimes change is good, must be willing to take a logical risk, with low costs and high value at key positions in the beginning.  we can always adjust in the middle of the game, we are the sawx, we have $ and prospects.

    what are the odds theo would have blown his load all over that $10m asking price of oswalt's and called it a deal? love cherington's approach. its a long season. its not just about getting guys but what u give up for them. if byrd is a bust, so what? it was a great risk, served his purpose already. anyone thinks bowden will be the second coming of papelbon or pedro? he's a guy. plus theo is paying all expenses and salary of byrd. y not? once theo setteld on a guy, it dodnt matter what the price or functionality, he just wanted the ego prize. Bc does it the belichick way. set a value, dont budge. give other guys a shot. now we have two guys making nothing who could be top of rotation guys for years to come. lackey and dice should be in the bullpen at best or on the trading blocks, wouldnt put either back as starters barring injury.
     
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