Possible Salary Dumps

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    Hey Moon,

    The Sox will probably explore every available player and afix a cost benefit to adding them to this years squad. The injuries to Lester and Buccholz,will in the end be the axis on which our deadline aquisitions swing. Epsteins ability to negotiate adding payroll with Henry will be based on the probabiltiy of us going deep into the playoffs with a legit shot at winning it all. San's Lester & Buccholz it's safe to say that our chances are greatly diminished. If the prognosis is favroable and both can and will be back by mid August and we continue to play .600 ball and stay near or at the top of the standings. Then I'd be more willing to be optomistic about us taking on payroll...That said, I'd place our needs today as the following....

    1) Starting Pitcher..."veteran innings eating starter" to bolster our depth and allow us to keep Aceves in the pen. While Lester and Buccholz rehab...

    2) SS doesn't have to be Reyes, just someone that can pick it and give us professional at bats down in the order "solid veteran" type like Barlett? Wilson from Seattle is an option, just not sure he's an upgrade over Scutaro.

    3) RH hitting 4th or 5th OF to replace DMac on the current roster...

    That said, if the prognosis on Lester and Buccholz is 100% certain that both will be back by mid August...All things being equal...I'd go hard after an impact type with Reyes my first choice and Beltran a close second...I just think that by improving both the defense and offense from the SS position would have a far greater impact that replacing Drew with Beltran (who's not exactly the prototype we need to man RF in Fenway. Pence would be my first choice if we're talking the RF of the future, but given the current dynamics in Houston. He's quickly becoming the face of that franchise and I wouldn't be surprised is they signed him to a longterm deal and build the lineup around him...
     
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    How's this for a salarydump blockbuster:

    To Boston: INF/OF Chone Figgins ($9 million in '11, $9 million in '12, $8 million in '13, $9 million vesting option in '14), SP Erik Bedard ($1 million in '11), RP Brandon League ($2.25 million in '11; arbitration eligible in '12).

    To Seattle: RP Bobby Jenks ($6 million in '11, $6 million in '12), OF Darnell McDonald ($470,000 in '11), SP Kyle Weiland, SP Michael Bowden, SP Stolmy Pimentel, OF Che-Hsuan Lin, INF Oscar Tejeda.

    Why the Red Sox make this deal: 1. When healthy, Erik Bedard is a No. 1/No. 2 starting pitcher with significant experience and success against AL East lineups. He's making only $1 million this year. A 2-3 month championship trial run in Boston could help the Red Sox decide whether to extend his contract. If Bedard pitches well, he could score a huge contract in free agency this off-season. 2. Brandon League is an All-Star reliever this year who also has experience in the AL East. He's accustomed to pitching in a setup role. He's elibigle for aribtration next year, which gives the Red Sox leverage against Jonathan Papelbon in the off-season. 3. Until coming to Seattle, Chone Figgins was an impact player for the Angels who could hit, run, and play defense at nearly every position. He's no longer hitting and he's now very expensive, but he could bounce back playing for a contender in a smaller home park. He could receive some at-bats at shortstop and in right-field. He's the "Mike Lowell" of this deal who makes it possible to obtain both a frontline starting pitcher and ace reliever in return for mediocre prospects. 4. The Red Sox clear up 4 roster spots on the 40-man, enabling them to add Lavarnway and three other more desirable players either from within the organization, or from subsequent trades/waiver-wire acquisitions.

    Why the Mariners make this deal: They save $20 million over the next 3 years. Jenks replaces League/Aardsma at closer and possibly recaptures his prior success with the White Sox. Weiland and Bowden immediately compete for spots in the rotation and bullpen, at short dollars. Tejeda receives an opportunity to replace Wilson at 2B. Pimentel, a once highly-touted prospect currently wasting a 40-man roster spot with the Red Sox, gets a change in scenery and a chance to climb the organizational ladder far quicker than he would in Boston. Mediocre Boston pitchers, from David Aardsma to David Pauley, have fared well in Seattle. Lin is an outfield prospect with reasonable upside, McDonald a throw-in to the deal.
     
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    [QUOTE]How's this for a salarydump blockbuster: To Boston: INF/OF Chone Figgins ($9 million in '11, $9 million in '12, $8 million in '13, $9 million vesting option in '14), SP Erik Bedard ($1 million in '11), RP Brandon League ($2.25 million in '11; arbitration eligible in '12). To Seattle: RP Bobby Jenks ($6 million in '11, $6 million in '12), OF Darnell McDonald ($470,000 in '11), SP Kyle Weiland, SP Michael Bowden, SP Stolmy Pimentel, OF Che-Hsuan Lin, INF Oscar Tejeda. Why the Red Sox make this deal: 1. When healthy, Erik Bedard is a No. 1/No. 2 starting pitcher with significant experience and success against AL East lineups. He's making only $1 million this year. A 2-3 month championship trial run in Boston could help the Red Sox decide whether to extend his contract. If Bedard pitches well, he could score a huge contract in free agency this off-season. 2. Brandon League is an All-Star reliever this year who also has experience in the AL East. He's accustomed to pitching in a setup role. He's elibigle for aribtration next year, which gives the Red Sox leverage against Jonathan Papelbon in the off-season. 3. Until coming to Seattle, Chone Figgins was an impact player for the Angels who could hit, run, and play defense at nearly every position. He's no longer hitting and he's now very expensive, but he could bounce back playing for a contender in a smaller home park. He could receive some at-bats at shortstop and in right-field. He's the "Mike Lowell" of this deal who makes it possible to obtain both a frontline starting pitcher and ace reliever in return for mediocre prospects. 4. The Red Sox clear up 4 roster spots on the 40-man, enabling them to add Lavarnway and three other more desirable players either from within the organization, or from subsequent trades/waiver-wire acquisitions. Why the Mariners make this deal: They save $20 million over the next 3 years. Jenks replaces League/Aardsma at closer and possibly recaptures his prior success with the White Sox. Weiland and Bowden immediately compete for spots in the rotation and bullpen, at short dollars. Tejeda receives an opportunity to replace Wilson at 2B. Pimentel, a once highly-touted prospect currently wasting a 40-man roster spot with the Red Sox, gets a change in scenery and a chance to climb the organizational ladder far quicker than he would in Boston. Mediocre Boston pitchers, from David Aardsma to David Pauley, have fared well in Seattle. Lin is an outfield prospect with reasonable upside, McDonald a throw-in to the deal.
    Posted by davidap[/QUOTE]

    David,

    That's certainly an interesting proposal, but the Mariners already have thier 2nd baseman of the future in Ackerly who they called up before the Allstar break, who's shown since being called up, that he's ready to compete at the big league level with the glove and the bat. What they need is "a middle of the order" run producing corner Ofer or DH and a 3rd baseman with pop!

    So the question is what would it take for us to aquire Bedard & League? Both of whom I'm sure the M's would deal given that they've already begun to fade to black in the West and for the third straight season, due to thier inabiltiy to score runs and failed to support one of the best pitching staffs in the AL. If they we're truly in it to win this year, they would've already gone hard after a bat, but the reality is they're rebuilding and adding the typwe of bat's they need to be a legit contender they'd have to trade valuable chips they need to be a legit contender in 2 or 3 years when they'll have a solid idea of just how good Smoak and Ackerly and then build the lineup arouind them...

    As for your prosped deal. Figgin's has little or no value and it's doubtful any team will take him off the M's hands without them kicking in considerable cash, but I won't dismiss the idea out of hand, I'd also put Jack Wilson's in the same catergory as a possible salary dump guy, who makes more sense for us to aquire than Figgin's.

    So for my prosposal for Bedard, League & Wilson would be Middlebrooks, Reddick or Kalish along with Pimental...

    http://www.proballnw.com/02-2011/top-20-seattle-mariners-prospects-for-2011/


     
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    [QUOTE]UPDATED: Here is a partial list of some possible salary dump players that may become available this trade deadline. I will start with the teams farthest behind in the wildcard races and those I feel may drop out soon. I also listed a few non salary dump players of possible interest with the idea that they could possibly be part of a deal that includes a salary dump player or two (i.e. Lowell being part of the Beckett deal). Houston (-25) OF Carlos Lee:  11 :$18.5M, 12 :$18.5M LHP W. Rodriguez : 11 :$7M, 12 :$10M, 13 :$13M, 14 :$13M club option ($2.5M buyout) RHP B. Myers: 11 :$7M, 12 :$11M, 13 :$10M club option ($3M buyout) OF Hunter Pence: 11 : $6.9M (won arb) plus 2 more arb years. Chicago Cubs (-18) OF A. Soriano: 11-14 :$18M annually RHP C. Zambrano : 11 :$17.875M, 12 :$18M, 13 :$19.25M vesting player option 3B A. Ramirez : 11 :$14.6M player option, 12 :$16M club option ($2M buyout) OF K. Fukudome : 11 :$13.5M RHP R. Dempster : 11 :$13.5M, 12 :$14M player option 1B C. Pena: 11: $10M RHP M. Garza: 11 : $5.95M plus 2 more arb years OF M. Byrd : 11 :$5.5M, 12 :$6.5M LHP J. Grabow : 11 :$4.8M RHP C. Marmol : 11 :$3.2M, 12 :$7M, 13 :$9.8M LHP S. Marshall: 11 :$1.6M, 12 :$3.1M Baltimore (-17.5) OF N. Markakis:   11 :$10.25M, 12 :$12M, 13 :$15M, 14 :$15M, 15 :$17.5M club option ($2M buyout) 2B B. Roberts : 11 :$10M, 12 :$10M, 13 :$10M DH V. Guerrero: 11 : $8M 1B: D. Lee: 11 $7.25M LHP M. Gonzalez: 11 : $6M SS JJ Hardy: 11 : $5.85M 3B M. Reynolds : 11 :$5M, 12 :$7.5M, 13 :$11M club option ($0.5M buyout) RHP K. Uehara: 11: $3M plus '12 option. C M. Wieters: 11 : $.452M plus 4 years of arb. Kansas City (-17) RHP J. Soria:   11 :$4M, 12 :$6M club option, 13 :$8M club option, 14 :$8.75M club option ($0.75M 1B B. Butler : 11 :$3M, 12 :$8M, 13: $8M, 14 :$8M, 15 :$12.5M club option ($1M buyout) RF J. Francoeur: 11:   $2.5M , 12 : $4M mutual option San Diego (-15.5) RHP Heath Bell: 11: $7.5M OF R. Ludwick: 11 : $$6.775M  SS J. Bartlett: 1 1 :$4M, 12 :$5.5M, 12 :$5.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) 2B O. Hudson: 11 : $4M , 12 : $5.5M , 13 : $8M club option ($2M buyout ) RHP A. Harang: 11 :$3.5M, 12 :$5M mutual option ($0.5M buyout) RHP Tim Stauffer: 11: $1.075M plus 2 years of arb. RHP D. Moseley: 11: $0.9M plus 2 years of arb. RHP Chad Qualls: 11 :$1.5M, 12 :$6M club option ($1.05M buyout) RHP Mik Adams: 11: $2.535M plus 1 year of arb.   Oakland (-15.5) OF D. DeJesus: OF Willingham: 11: $6M OF Crisp: 11 : $5.75M LHP B. Fuentes : 11 :$5M, 12 :$5M, 13 :$6.5M club option ($0.5M buyout) RHP Balfour: 11 :$3.75M, 12 :$4M, 13 :$4.5M club option ($0.35M buyout) LHP Gio Gonzalez: 11: $.42M plus 4 yearts of arb. RHP T. Cahill: 11 :$0.5M, 12 :$3.5M, 13:$5.5M, 14 :$7.7M, 15 :$12M, 16 :$13M club option ($0.3M buyout), 17 :$13.5M club option ($0.5M buyout) C K. Suzuki: 11 :$3.4M, 12 :$5M, 13 :$6.45M, 14 :$8.5M club option ($0.65M buyout) LHP C. Breslow: 11: $1.4M plus 2 years of arb. Los Angeles Dodgers (-13) SS R. Furcal: 11 :$12M, 12 :$12M club option RHP H. Kuroda: 11 : $12M OF A. Ethier : 11 :$9.25M plus 1 arb year. LHP T. Lilly: 11 :$7M, 12 :$10.5M, 13 :$12M RHP J. Broxton: 11 :$7M OF M. Kemp : 11 :$6.95M plus 1 arb year. RHP Billingsley: 11 : $6.275, 12 :$9M, 13 :$11M, 14 :$12M, 15 :$14M club option ($3M buyout) RHP J. Garland : 11 :$5M, 12 :$8M club option (guaranteed with 190 IP in 2011) RHP M. Guerrier: 1 1 :$1.5M, 12 :$3.75M, 13 :$3.75M LHP C. Kershaw: 11: $.5M plus 3 years of arb. Seattle (-12) RF I. Suzuki: 11 :$17M, 12 :$17M RHP F. Hernandez: 11 :$10M, 12 :$18.5M, 13 :$19.5M, 14 :$20M IF/OF Figgins: 11 :$9M, 12 :$9M, 13 :$8M, 14 :$9M vesting option SS Jack Wilson : 11 :$5M RHP Aardsma: 11 $4.5M plus 1 year of arb. Florida (-10.5) SS H. Ramirez: 11 :$11M, 12 :$15M, 13 :$15.5M, 14 :$16M RHP J. Johnson: 11 :$7.75M, 12 :$13.75M, 13 :$13.75M RHP J. Vazquez: 11: $7M RHP R. Nolasco : 11 :$6M, 12 :$9M, 13 :$11.5M C John Buck: 11 : $4.5M , 12 : $6M, 13 : $6M RHP A. Sanchez: 11 $3.7M 1B G. Sanchez: 11: $.431M plus 4 years of control/arb. OF L. Morrison: 11: $.414M plus 5 years of control/arb. RF M. Stanton: 11: $.416M plus 5 years of control/arb. RHP L. Nunez: 11: $ 3.65M plus 1 year of arb. RHP E. Mujica: 11: $.8M plus 2 years of arb. Minnesota (-12) C J. Mauer:   11-18 : $23 million annually 1B Morneau: 11 :$14M, 12 :$14M, 13 :$14M RHP J. Nathan : 11 :$11.25M, 12 :$12.5M club option ($2M buyout) OF M. Cuddyer : 11 :$10.5M club option RHP C. Pavano:  11 :$8M, 12 :$8.5M OF J. Kubel: 11 :$5.25M RHP S. Baker: 11 :$5M, 12 :$6.5M, 13 :$9.25M club option LHP G. Perkins: 11: $.7M plus 2 arb years. LHP F. Liriano: 11: $4.3M plus 1 arb. Colorado (-10) 1B Helton: 11 :$19.1M, 12 :$23M club option ($4.6M buyout) RHP A. Cook: 11 :$9.25M, 12 :$11M mutual option ($0.5M buyout) SS Tulowitzki: 11 : $5.5M , 12 : $8.25M, 13 : $10M , 14 : $16M , 15- 19 : $20M annually, 20 : $14M , 21 : $15M club option ($4M buyout) LHP De La Rosa: 11 : $9.5M , 12 : $10M , 13 : $11M player option ($1M buyout) which, if exercised by De La Rosa, gives club $11M club option for 2014 RHP H. Street : 11 :$7.3M, 12 :$7.5M, 13 :$9M player option (club may decline and pay $0.5M buyout) IF Mark Ellis : 11 :$6M RHP Jimenez : 11 :$2.8M, 12 :$4.2M, 13 :$5.75M club option ($1M buyout), 14 :$8M club option ($1M buyout) Washington (-9) OF J Werth: 11 : $10M , 12 : $13M , 13 : $16M , 14 : $20M , 15 : $21M, 16 :$21M, 17 :$21M 3B Zimmerman : 11 :$8.925M, 12 :$12M, 13 :$14M RHP Marquis: 11: $7.5M 1B Adam LaRoche : 11 :$7M, 12 :$8M, 13 :$10M mutual option ($1M buyout) C W Ramos: 11: $.415M plus 5 years of control and arb. OF L. Nix: 11 : $0.7M RHP: J. Zimmerman: 11 : $.415M plus 4 years of arb. RHP Strasburg : 11 :$2.5M, 12 :$3M LHP J. Lannan: 11 : $2.75M plus 2 arb years. RHP Drew Storen : 11 : $.418M plus 5 years of control/arb. RHP T. Clippard : 11 : $.443M plus 4 years of arb. NYMets (-8) LHP Santana: 11 :$22.5M, 12 :$24M, 13 :$25.5M, 14 :$25M club option ($5.5M buyout) OF C. Beltran: 11 :$18.5M OF/DH J. Bay : 11 :$16M, 12 :$16M, 13 :$16M, 14 :$17M club option ($3M buyout) 3B D. Wright : 11 :$14M, 12 :$15M, 13 :$16M club option ($1M buyout) SS Jose Reyes : 11 :$11M RHP M. Pelfrey: 11 : $3.925M and 2 arb years. RHP RA Dickey: 11 : $2.75M, 12: $4.75M, 13: .3M buyout.   LHP J. Niese: 11 : $.452M then 4 years of control/arb. 1B Ike Davis: 11 : $.432M then 4 years of control/arb. Toronto (-9) OF Bautista: 11 : $8M, 12-55 :$14M annually, 16 :$14M club option ($1M buyout) 1B/OF A. Lind:   11 :$5M, 12 :$5M, 13 :$5M, 14 :$7M club option ($2M buyout), 15 :$7.5M club option ($1M buyout), 16 :$8M club option ($0.5M buyout) IF A. Hill: 11 :$5M, 12 :$8M club option, 13 :$8M club option, 14 :$10M club option SS  Y. Escobar: 11 : $2.9M, 12 :$5M, 13 :$5M, 14 :$5M club option, 15 :$5M club option LHP R. Romero : 11 :$0.75M, 12 :$5M, 13 :$7.5M, 14 :$7.5M, 15 :$7.5M, 16 :$13.1M club option ($0.6M buyout) RHP B. Morrow: 11: $2.3M plus 2 arb years. As more teams drop out, I will add their information.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    The Dodgers will not get rid of Kemp, Ethier, Billinglsy or Kershaw

     
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    [QUOTE]Hey Moon, The Sox will probably explore every available player and afix a cost benefit to adding them to this years squad. The injuries to Lester and Buccholz,will in the end be the axis on which our deadline aquisitions swing. Epsteins ability to negotiate adding payroll with Henry will be based on the probabiltiy of us going deep into the playoffs with a legit shot at winning it all. San's Lester & Buccholz it's safe to say that our chances are greatly diminished. If the prognosis is favroable and both can and will be back by mid August and we continue to play .600 ball and stay near or at the top of the standings. Then I'd be more willing to be optomistic about us taking on payroll...That said, I'd place our needs today as the following.... 1) Starting Pitcher..."veteran innings eating starter" to bolster our depth and allow us to keep Aceves in the pen. While Lester and Buccholz rehab... 2) SS doesn't have to be Reyes, just someone that can pick it and give us professional at bats down in the order "solid veteran" type like Barlett? Wilson from Seattle is an option, just not sure he's an upgrade over Scutaro. 3) RH hitting 4th or 5th OF to replace DMac on the current roster... That said, if the prognosis on Lester and Buccholz is 100% certain that both will be back by mid August...All things being equal...I'd go hard after an impact type with Reyes my first choice and Beltran a close second...I just think that by improving both the defense and offense from the SS position would have a far greater impact that replacing Drew with Beltran (who's not exactly the prototype we need to man RF in Fenway. Pence would be my first choice if we're talking the RF of the future, but given the current dynamics in Houston. He's quickly becoming the face of that franchise and I wouldn't be surprised is they signed him to a longterm deal and build the lineup around him...
    Posted by Beantowne[/QUOTE]

    Great post.

    The situation in Houston is hard to put a finger on.

     
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    The Dodgers will not get rid of Kemp, Ethier, Billinglsy or Kershaw

    I agree as are almost all the names on these lists. I am merely posting the high priced players names on teams out of or quickly falling out of contention along with a few other choice non-salary dump gems.
     
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    [QUOTE]The Dodgers will not get rid of Kemp, Ethier, Billinglsy or Kershaw I agree as are almost all the names on these lists. I am merely posting the high priced players names on teams out of or quickly falling out of contention along with a few other choice non-salary dump gems.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Great list and it leads to great conversation. Question....would the board take Jason Bay back from the Mets for basically nobody if the Mets were willing to eat half or more of his salary? let's make believe( and I know its a stretch) he could play right field.
     
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    I love JBay. However, I've watched him with the Mets, and he looks like a very different player than the guy who left town.
    I don't know if it's adjusting to the NY scene or the insanely huge ballpark, or just knowing he made a horrendous mistake signing with the Mets.
    He played in PNC had had a few 30-100 seasons, so it's not the park or the lineup around him.
    He has a few good games and reverts back to poor form.
    He cannot play RF, especially here.
    I wish he never left, which would have avoided the ridiculous Cr-oh-for-d signing, and the Lackey signing. Assuming of course, Bay was the 36-119 guy he was in 2009 and the 4 time 30-100 player he was. He was an ideal fit here from day one and should have realized that.
    Can't have a do over and there's no room on the Sox, for they have the 20 million dollar albatross in LF for the next 7 years. LF is the only place JBay could play on the field.
    If they signed Bay or Holiday, Crawford and Lackey would be playing elsewhere, and there would be no need for a RH hitting OF, and Reddick/Kalish, could have been RF after Drew, or now.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Possible Salary Dumps : Great list and it leads to great conversation. Question....would the board take Jason Bay back from the Mets for basically nobody if the Mets were willing to eat half or more of his salary? let's make believe( and I know its a stretch) he could play right field.
    Posted by tomnev[/QUOTE]

    Thought about it as I watched the Mets game Sunday afternoon. Probably won't (and should not) happen, but if there is someone that needs to get out of a situation it is Bay.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Possible Salary Dumps : Thought about it as I watched the Mets game Sunday afternoon. Probably won't (and should not) happen, but if there is someone that needs to get out of a situation it is Bay.
    Posted by crmn19[/QUOTE]

    I think that sums it up perfectly....he is lesson for all players than the grass is not always greener just because the money is.
     
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    Amen on the last 2 posts.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Possible Salary Dumps : Great list and it leads to great conversation. Question....would the board take Jason Bay back from the Mets for basically nobody if the Mets were willing to eat half or more of his salary? let's make believe( and I know its a stretch) he could play right field.
    Posted by tomnev[/QUOTE]

    I said no back then: nothing has changed.
     
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    Yes, you pleaded for the Sox to sign Adam Dunn, and Shawn Figgins.
    How's that working for you?
     
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    [QUOTE]Yes, you pleaded for the Sox to sign Adam Dunn, and Shawn Figgins. How's that working for you?
    Posted by tbrod[/QUOTE]

    I have mentioned Dunn many times. I'd still rather have him at his cost than CC at his. Dunn is off to a horrible start, but it is early.

    I was wrong about Figgins, but I do not ever recall "pleading" for us to sign him. I mentioned several options that winter.

    I was right about Bay and others and wrong about many others as well. I never claimed to be always right.

     
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    It's really not early anymore, Moon. Dunn has 335 PA's.

    .160 BA  9 HR 36 RBI  .290 OBP  .302 SLG  .592 OPS

    His career BA is .246. He's a power hitter, but that's it. One dimensional hitters are less likely to make the necessary adjustments  to salvage a lost season.

    In fairness to Dunn, he is facing pitchers he has rarely seen. Whether it's a transition year - or he becomes a Bay clone - remains to be seen.
     
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    [QUOTE]Get me Michael Cuddyer before September 1st and the "big 3" healthy for the playoffs and the only team that I fear is of course the Phillies. I'm not sure any of these people are of any significance to the Sox other than Garza or Kuroda (as of posting this none of those players were on the list).
    Posted by b126962[/QUOTE]
     B, I don't think that the Twins would be able to get Cuddyer through trade waivers without say, the Rays claiming him, so let's say before August 1st for trade purposes. I agree on the idea of getting Cuddyer, as Beltran (the only better fit) would cost more in money, cost more in prospects, cannot be offered arbitration, and, unlike Cuddier, can only play the outfield, whereas Cuddyer can play right (which is where we would use him), third, first, left, and even second in a pinch. Cuddyer should only cost Reddick and, say, Lars Anderson, probably less, actually. Cuddyer is probably a type B free agent after the season, so that would mean that we would get a supplemental pick for Cuddyer fleeing to another team (back to Minnesota?).
     
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    [QUOTE]It's really not early anymore, Moon . Dunn has 335 PA's. .160 BA  9 HR 36 RBI  .290 OBP  .302 SLG  .592 OPS His career BA is .246. He's a power hitter, but that's it. One dimensional hitters are less likely to make the necessary adjustments  to salvage a lost season. In fairness to Dunn, he is facing pitchers he has rarely seen. Whether it's a transition year - or he becomes a Bay clone - remains to be seen.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    1) Early in terms of the 4 year deal.
    2) The adjustment period is about over, yes.
    3) He's not "one dimensional": he hits HRs and has about a .385 OBP the last 8 years.

    He may end up stinking up the place from here on out, but he was a lot cheaper than CC.
     
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    Matt Holiday would have been a lot cheaper than Crawford, too and a much better fit.
     
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    [QUOTE]Matt Holiday would have been a lot cheaper than Crawford, too and a much better fit.
    Posted by tbrod[/QUOTE]

    Yes indeed. (Bats righty too)

    But, remember, softy said he wasn't an elite hitter.
    (Later, he called VMart an elite hitter even if as a 1Bman.)
     
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    Holliday is not an elite hitter.

    Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. The guy is currently 4th in MLB in OPS (.987). Ahead of Miggy, Kemp, AGon, etc...

    2010-2011: He's 7th in MLB in OPS (.941), tied with Youk, ahead of AGon, Fielder, Papi, Tulo, Braun, Cano, ...

    2009-2011: Holliday is 8th in MLB OPS (.928). Ahead of Mauer, Tex, Braun and otehrs...

    He's had a .900+ OPS in every season since 2006. (6 straight)
    Here's the top OPS list since 2006:

    1) Pujols   1.043
    2) Miggy     .967
    3) Holliday .957
    4) Ortiz       .942
    5) ARod      .938
    6) Berk       .937
    7) Howard .930
    8) Fielder  .930
    9) Jones    .927
    10) Braun .922
    11) Tex     .910
    12) Youk  .903
    13) Utley .902
    14) AGon .897

    How many of these guys are or were "elite"  hitters? Id your definition so narrow?



     


    Softlaw said that VMart is a top tier 1st bagger/DH/Catcher hitter, and he is.

    No, he said he was an elite hitter no matter where he played.

    Remember Moonslow said the Twins can't afford Mauer, Dunn was a good trade or FA option, and the Rays will not "go away".

    Dunn was a steal 2 1/2 years ago when I first wanted him. He would have been a nice addition last July to help us make the playoffs. Yes, I wanted Dunn this winter also, but never once said he was worth what the White Sox paid him... not even close.

    Let's  hope the Rays can win a game or two v. Yankees, as they are 1-3 and choking away.

    Some tough losses, but a loss is a loss and they are, indeed, in danger of "going away".
     
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    man i came here expecting to see David Jonathan Drew's name on this list - this isn't what i expected!

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Possible Salary Dumps : 1) Early in terms of the 4 year deal. 2) The adjustment period is about over, yes. 3) He's not "one dimensional": he hits HRs and has about a .385 OBP the last 8 years. He may end up stinking up the place from here on out, but he was a lot cheaper than CC.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    My definition of "one-dimensional" is in the context of a hitter being able to adjust to how he's being pitched, or by how quickly he can make mechanical adjustments.
    That's why I advocated Papi of Dunn. Papi is a great hitter. Dunn isn't. Walking is all good and fine, but it doesn't alter the fact he's a .246 career hitter who clogs up the bases when he's on base.

    His current numbers don't validate being 6 mil cheaper than CC.
    Crawford makes things happen when he's on base, and he is the antithesis of Dunn with a glove. That's worth 6 mil - especially if it lines CAM's pockets...
     

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