Predict the 2013 Red Sox AL East Finish and Playoff Fate (you can amend your prediction after FA season is over)

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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    3rd in AL East; 2nd WC


    Standings:

    1. Tampa Bay - 98-64 - Their pitching staff is the best in baseball, despite trading Shields to Arizona for Upton, who has a comeback year as the Rays win this crowded division. Biggest move: Acquiring Justin Upton for James Shields. #2: Signing Nick Swisher to a three year deal for 36 mil.

    2. Baltimore - 2.0 GB - 96-66 - They are no fluke. Their signing of Josh Hamilton only completes a legitimate contender for years to come. Biggest move: Signing Hamilton to a five year deal for 125 mil. #2: Signing Kyle Lohse to a four year deal for 60 mil.

    3. Boston - 3.0 GB - 95-67 - Cherington makes all the right moves, catapulting the Sox back into relevance, and the playoffs. Biggest move: Acquiring Giancarlo Stanton and Ricky Nolasco for Salty, Owens, Brentz, Jacobs, Cecchini, De La Cruz, and Pimentel. #2: Signing Dan Haren and Mike Napoli to two year deals for 22 mil.

    4. New York - 9.0 GB - 89-73 - Injuries kill the Yanks this year, resulting in their worst finish in I don't know how many years. The naive Cashman thinks that A-Rod will do well, and makes the mistake of not signing a third baseman. A-Rod struggles mightily, and then goes down in May with a torn ACL. Biggest move: Relatively quiet but signing Shane Victorino to a three year deal for 30 mil. #2: Acquiring John Buck from the Jays for a bag of balls.

    5. Toronto - 13.0 GB - 85-77 - The biggest surprise of the season. The megadeal is a disappointment, as Johnson gets injured midseason. Reyes and Buerhle are fine, but underwhelming. They trade Encarnacion at the deadline, out of contention. Biggest move: The Bonifacio trade. #2: Signing Melky to his two year deal.

     
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    3rd in AL East; 2nd WC


    Standings:

    1. Tampa Bay - 98-64 - Their pitching staff is the best in baseball, despite trading Shields to Arizona for Upton, who has a comeback year as the Rays win this crowded division. Biggest move: Acquiring Justin Upton for James Shields. #2: Signing Nick Swisher to a three year deal for 36 mil.

    2. Baltimore - 2.0 GB - 96-66 - They are no fluke. Their signing of Josh Hamilton only completes a legitimate contender for years to come. Biggest move: Signing Hamilton to a five year deal for 125 mil. #2: Signing Kyle Lohse to a four year deal for 60 mil.

    3. Boston - 3.0 GB - 95-67 - Cherington makes all the right moves, catapulting the Sox back into relevance, and the playoffs. Biggest move: Acquiring Giancarlo Stanton and Ricky Nolasco for Salty, Owens, Brentz, Jacobs, Cecchini, De La Cruz, and Pimentel. #2: Signing Dan Haren and Mike Napoli to two year deals for 22 mil.

    4. New York - 9.0 GB - 89-73 - Injuries kill the Yanks this year, resulting in their worst finish in I don't know how many years. The naive Cashman thinks that A-Rod will do well, and makes the mistake of not signing a third baseman. A-Rod struggles mightily, and then goes down in May with a torn ACL. Biggest move: Relatively quiet but signing Shane Victorino to a three year deal for 30 mil. #2: Acquiring John Buck from the Jays for a bag of balls.

    5. Toronto - 13.0 GB - 85-77 - The biggest surprise of the season. The megadeal is a disappointment, as Johnson gets injured midseason. Reyes and Buerhle are fine, but underwhelming. They trade Encarnacion at the deadline, out of contention. Biggest move: The Bonifacio trade. #2: Signing Melky to his two year deal.

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    Give me time to think about this one. I am still waiting to see what the other east div. teams moves will be. The Jays look good on paper but... . I also like your Red Sox bold transactions but realistic.

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a bold prediction because we are presently one of the worst teams in our division.

     

     
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    If Im going to amend it anyways after all the new additions and subtractions are completed, Ill just wait til then to do it.

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    They also have 4 starters locked up and only need 1 to compete with a couple in-house options. They can acquire more, but they will be Cook like contracts for depth.

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    They also have 4 starters locked up and only need 1 to compete with a couple in-house options. They can acquire more, but they will be Cook like contracts for depth.

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    I agree, they'll try to get a potential #3 type who can eat innings, unless a #1 type falls in their lap, and I don't see that happening.  They'll bring a few Aaron Cook types for depth and hopefully some of the kids continue to progress and possibly help out by the end of next season. 

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    Freak injuries seem to follow this team around.  More often than not these players return from the DL with much less success.  This team has had two recent WC's and the Yanks many others with closers like Pap, Foulke and Mo so I have to disagree finding a good closer isn't very difficult. 

    You may get lucky with someone "short term" thats about it.

     
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    They also have 4 starters locked up and only need 1 to compete with a couple in-house options. They can acquire more, but they will be Cook like contracts for depth.

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    Southpaw, do you really feel confident we can win with those four?  I really think we need a strong leader/#1 guy and one other who is battle tested and made it through big games. 

    Lester and Clay having a big year would be a great start but I don't see Lackey, or anyone else getting us through the tough games on a regular basis.  I like our youngsters on the farm but don't have much faith in our present bunch.

     
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    Andrew Bailey, as of right now, has the closers job. Tazawa would be my guess if something happens to Bailey after the way he pitched this year.

     
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    Andrew Bailey, as of right now, has the closers job. Tazawa would be my guess if something happens to Bailey after the way he pitched this year.

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    I agree the potential is there but many fans forget just how many close games guys like Pap and Foulke finished off for us.  That's huge, especially in our division.

     

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    Freak injuries seem to follow this team around.  More often than not these players return from the DL with much less success.  This team has had two recent WC's and the Yanks many others with closers like Pap, Foulke and Mo so I have to disagree finding a good closer isn't very difficult. 

    You may get lucky with someone "short term" thats about it.

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    Who had a thumb injury and didn't return to be the same? 

    Mo is a different animal, the best of all time, but the Yankees have won one World Championship in the last 12 years, and they might have at least 3 if Mo had closed out a few more games.  Papelbon has been pretty consistent, but he was shredded by fans during his less than stellar 2010 and he blew his share of important games during his last few years in Boston. 

    I'll agree to disagree, but don't expect the Sox to be spending money on a closer this off season.  I doubt we'll see another closer get anything close to a Papelbon contract anytime soon. 

     
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    Andrew Bailey, as of right now, has the closers job. Tazawa would be my guess if something happens to Bailey after the way he pitched this year.

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    I agree the potential is there but many fans forget just how many close games guys like Pap and Foulke finished off for us.  That's huge, especially in our division.

     

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    You won't be hard presed to find scouts who will say Andrew Bailey has better stuff than both Papelbon and Foulke, and he's proven he can be a successful closer at the Major League level. 

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    Freak injuries seem to follow this team around.  More often than not these players return from the DL with much less success.  This team has had two recent WC's and the Yanks many others with closers like Pap, Foulke and Mo so I have to disagree finding a good closer isn't very difficult. 

    You may get lucky with someone "short term" thats about it.

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    Who had had a thumb injury and didn't return to be the same? 

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    How quickly some forget, Youk was never the same since the thumb injury.  Pede, Ells?  Almost all of our freak injuries have an impact.

     

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    Freak injuries seem to follow this team around.  More often than not these players return from the DL with much less success.  This team has had two recent WC's and the Yanks many others with closers like Pap, Foulke and Mo so I have to disagree finding a good closer isn't very difficult. 

    You may get lucky with someone "short term" thats about it.

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    Who had had a thumb injury and didn't return to be the same? 

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    How quickly some forget, Youk was never the same since the thumb injury.  Pede, Ells?  Almost all of our freak injuries have an impact.

     

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    Can you say with any degree of certainty Youk's decline is due to his thumb injury, which has since healed, as has Bailey's?  I didn't "quickly forget" Ellsbury's thumb injury because he never had one and Pedey played through his thumb injury last year, which certainly affected his performance, but there's no reason to think he won't be fully healthy next year.

    Freak injuries certainly "have an impact," but the Sox aren't going to spend money on a closer because Kevin Youkillis hasn't been the same since injuring his thumb, as there is no correlation between Bailey and Youkilis.  Thanks for the enlightenment, though, as I didn't realize freak thumb injuries destroyed so many careers...

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    Freak injuries seem to follow this team around.  More often than not these players return from the DL with much less success.  This team has had two recent WC's and the Yanks many others with closers like Pap, Foulke and Mo so I have to disagree finding a good closer isn't very difficult. 

    You may get lucky with someone "short term" thats about it.

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    Who had had a thumb injury and didn't return to be the same? 

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    How quickly some forget, Youk was never the same since the thumb injury.  Pede, Ells?  Almost all of our freak injuries have an impact.

     

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    Can you say with any degree of certainty Youk's decline is due to his thumb injury, which has since healed, as has Bailey's?  I didn't "quickly forget" Ellsbury's thumb injury because he never had one and Pedey played through his thumb injury last year, which certainly affected his performance, but there's no reason to think he won't be fully healthy next year.

    Freak injuries certainly "have an impact," but the Sox aren't going to spend money on a closer because Kevin Youkillis hasn't been the same since injuring his thumb, as there is no correlation between Bailey and Youkilis.  Thanks for the enlightenment, though, as I didn't realize freak thumb injuries destroyed so many careers...

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    You asked and I answered, no need to get sarcastic.  All we can do is make our own judgement by what we see with players like Youk, Ells and Ped.  If Bailey comes back strong great for us, otherwise the thumb injury could be a factor.  A player doesn't just decline, in most cases an injury or age plays a huge role.   

     

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    Freak injuries seem to follow this team around.  More often than not these players return from the DL with much less success.  This team has had two recent WC's and the Yanks many others with closers like Pap, Foulke and Mo so I have to disagree finding a good closer isn't very difficult. 

    You may get lucky with someone "short term" thats about it.

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    Who had had a thumb injury and didn't return to be the same? 

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    How quickly some forget, Youk was never the same since the thumb injury.  Pede, Ells?  Almost all of our freak injuries have an impact.

     

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    Can you say with any degree of certainty Youk's decline is due to his thumb injury, which has since healed, as has Bailey's?  I didn't "quickly forget" Ellsbury's thumb injury because he never had one and Pedey played through his thumb injury last year, which certainly affected his performance, but there's no reason to think he won't be fully healthy next year.

    Freak injuries certainly "have an impact," but the Sox aren't going to spend money on a closer because Kevin Youkillis hasn't been the same since injuring his thumb, as there is no correlation between Bailey and Youkilis.  Thanks for the enlightenment, though, as I didn't realize freak thumb injuries destroyed so many careers...

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    You asked and I answered, no need to get sarcastic.  All we can do is make our own judgement by what we see with players like Youk, Ells and Ped.  If Bailey comes back strong great for us, otherwise the thumb injury could be a factor.  A player doesn't just decline, in most cases an injury or age plays a huge role.   

     

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    Sorry for the sarcasm, but the "how quickly we forget" comment seemed to be a dripping a bit as well.  The initial point, and again we can agree to disagree, was that you posted that the Sox need a closer, and the people who run the organization don't seem to agree...

     
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    Re: Predict the 2013 Red Sox AL East Finish and Playoff Fate (you can amend your prediction after FA season is over)

    In response to bgomez's comment:

    3rd in AL East; 2nd WC: Standings: 1. Tampa Bay - 98-64 2. Baltimore - 2.0 GB - 96-66 3. Boston - 3.0 GB - 95-67  4. New York - 9.0 GB - 89-73  5. Toronto - 13.0 GB - 85-77


    This prediction has the AL East team finishing a cumulative 116 games above .500 after the same teams finished 30 games above .500 in 2012.

    That's an incredible (and historic) improvement.

     
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    Re: Predict the 2013 Red Sox AL East Finish and Playoff Fate (you can amend your prediction after FA season is over)

    I predict that we will finish in 4th place with a record a shade under .500. Improved over last year, but not really ready to compete for the playoffs.

     
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    Re: Predict the 2013 Red Sox AL East Finish and Playoff Fate (you can amend your prediction after FA season is over)

                                        Right now, last place maybe a 58-104, as of now. The man with the plan has yet to implement. No playoffs only joy for the teams that play the RS the last games of the 2013 schedule. This is the year concession,clothing,and RS brand products begin to decline. Based on what's going on elsewhere in the league. I get the feeling that a sale is imminent.

     
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    I predict the Red Sox will finish 2nd in the AL East and get a WC, due to the odds of not having another year with a massive payroll and not making the playoffs at all. 

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    The Sox need another impact bat, closer and at least two more SP's better than anyone we presently have before they ever see second place again.  When I read stories about their interest in guys like Jason Bay and LaRoche again it certainly doesn't change my opinion.  You also need to factor in all the injuries/missed games guys like Pede, Ells and Papi have had recently that have hurt their game, or our teams chances to succeed.

    I will wait a bit before making a prediction of any sort.

     

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    Closer?!??!  They have more than one potential closer on the roster including a young guy who had been an elite closer prior to his freak thumb injury going into last season. 

    I think you are seriously overrating the closer position.  The Cardinals won it all in 2011 and they went through about 5 closers that year before settling on Motte.  The Giants won it all this year with a closer who had THREE career saves going into the this season. 

    If for some reason no one on the Sox roster grabs hold of the closers job, and they are in contention next year, it's not the most difficult position to replace. 

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    Freak injuries seem to follow this team around.  More often than not these players return from the DL with much less success.  This team has had two recent WC's and the Yanks many others with closers like Pap, Foulke and Mo so I have to disagree finding a good closer isn't very difficult. 

    You may get lucky with someone "short term" thats about it.

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    Who had had a thumb injury and didn't return to be the same? 

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    How quickly some forget, Youk was never the same since the thumb injury.  Pede, Ells?  Almost all of our freak injuries have an impact.

     

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    Can you say with any degree of certainty Youk's decline is due to his thumb injury, which has since healed, as has Bailey's?  I didn't "quickly forget" Ellsbury's thumb injury because he never had one and Pedey played through his thumb injury last year, which certainly affected his performance, but there's no reason to think he won't be fully healthy next year.

    Freak injuries certainly "have an impact," but the Sox aren't going to spend money on a closer because Kevin Youkillis hasn't been the same since injuring his thumb, as there is no correlation between Bailey and Youkilis.  Thanks for the enlightenment, though, as I didn't realize freak thumb injuries destroyed so many careers...

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    You asked and I answered, no need to get sarcastic.  All we can do is make our own judgement by what we see with players like Youk, Ells and Ped.  If Bailey comes back strong great for us, otherwise the thumb injury could be a factor.  A player doesn't just decline, in most cases an injury or age plays a huge role.   

     

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    Sorry for the sarcasm, but the "how quickly we forget" comment seemed to be a dripping a bit as well.  The initial point, and again we can agree to disagree, was that you posted that the Sox need a closer, and the people who run the organization don't seem to agree...

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    Point well taken, our hopes of success after recent injuries, or over hype for a player has been sketchy the last few years.  Maybe my opinion will be swayed after watching what guys like Middy, Bailey, Ells, Pede and Youk do next season.

    With that said, I also wouldn't mind giving Youk another "short term" shot at 1B so I haven't completely lost faith.  As for my closer statement?  All I really meant was, we need someone to be a productive closer, especially if we intend on competing in this division.

     
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    Re: Predict the 2013 Red Sox AL East Finish and Playoff Fate (you can amend your prediction after FA season is over)

    Youk? heee-heee tee-heee. Good one.

     

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