Predict the AL East standings for 2013 :)

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    All the talk about Toronto kind of reminds me of all the best team ever talk before the 2011 season. But they'll always be the Blow Jays to me. Just sayin'...

     

     


    I totally agree on Toronto,

    Boston? 88 and 74, I still see competing for the division with good health. Why? just a hunch because I don't see anyone dominating in our division and we have just enough talent.  With That said I still feel the Tigers will be the team to beat in 2013.  We are still one big bat and SP or two away from being a championship calibar team again.

    The Orioles? 87 and 75, they had an amazing year last season and should continue to play well off the but I still think Boston is better even with their patch work lineup.

    The Yanks? 86 and 76, Jeter will be interesting to watch coming off the injury and age limitations at SS. Regardless, he will always be one of my favorite players. I think the ARod situation becomes a huge distraction but if the Yanks can get out of his contract and dump some salary before 2014 pickings should be pretty good on the FA market. I would never count these guys out.

    Toronto? 83 and 79, with a new manager and inconsistent pitching I still see an average team.  Did they make a few decent moves?  Sure, but I don't see this changing their makeup all that much even if Bautista has a great year. 

    Tampa? 80 and 82, I predicted this before and have been dead wrong but I truly believe 2013 is the year the bottom finally falls out of their boat even with Maddons leadership and young talent.  Pitching and close game wins have always been their strength but I think after almost reaching that WC level through a lot of smart draft picks and luck they begin to fall at an alarming rate. 

     

     



    So because you "don't see anyone dominating the division", that's going to propel boston from worst to first?

     

    You see the rays "pitching and close games" having the "bottom fall out" despite the fact that they have proved to do it year in and year out. On the other hand you see the orioles pitching and close games to continue to play well despite the lack of a track record of doing so.

     



    Boston or the Yankees can win this division on decent pitching and veteran leadership alone if things fall into place. 

     

    Tampa had the good fortune of building a solid young team from top/wel thought out draft picks after being everyones door mat for years.  They came close but in my opinion will never have the fan support or money to keep them in Tampa.  I think we have seen their best years pass them by under the present ownership.    

    The Orioles I see being that upcoming Tampa team of a few years ago.  Boston could be next if our prospects are as good as some feel they could be.  We also have the fan support and money to recover and/or regain the success more quickly than a team likeTampa.  

     

     
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    Honestly, I think if Tampa can get even a marginal upgrade at catcher and CF, they can walk away with this.

     

    That is with the disclaimer that, as usual, their entire season will rest on the health of Evan Longoria...



    Tampa plays on a lousy field and has no fan support or money to rely on anything but draft picks notin.  I could be wrong but they may need a new home and ownership soon.  I also doubt Price gets re-signed next season in their present situation.

     
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    RedSox  93-69

    BlueJays  88-74

    TB Rays  86-76

    Yankees  83-79

    Orioles    80-82

    With Limited Injuries I Feel We Can Win The East..........

     
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    RedSox  93-69

    BlueJays  88-74

    TB Rays  86-76

    Yankees  83-79

    Orioles    80-82

    With Limited Injuries I Feel We Can Win The East..........

     



    Shocking, although improving; only a 37 game swing between Balt & Bos here.

     

     
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    Tampa had the good fortune of building a solid young team from top/wel thought out draft picks after being everyones door mat for years.  They came close but in my opinion will never have the fan support or money to keep them in Tampa, or ever having a real identity.  I think we have seen their best years pass them by under the present ownership.    

    The Orioles I see being that upcoming Tampa team of a few years ago.  Boston could be next if our prospects are as good as some feel they could be.  We also have the fan support and money to recover and/or regain the success more quickly than a team likeTampa.  

     




    LOL, I don't see what the "fan support or money to keep them in Tampa" or the fact that the bosox "have the fan support and money to recover and/or regain the success more quickly" has anything to do with where the respective teams finish this year.

    Too funny. 

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    Maybe, but after losing Shields and more than likely Price next season how long do you really think their pitching and manager will hold a weak lineup together without going through another rebuilding process?  They got a good young player for Shields but they won't improve much as a team if they lose reliable pitching in favor of trying to improve the lineup.    

    I say they leave Tampa within two or three years!

     

     

     
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    RedSox  93-69

    BlueJays  88-74

    TB Rays  86-76

    Yankees  83-79

    Orioles    80-82

    With Limited Injuries I Feel We Can Win The East..........



    I love being optimistic but if this team wins 93 games it would be shocking.

     
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    What shocks me is you picking a team that lost Russel Martin, Nick Swisher, ARod, and Raul Ibanez plus has a pair of aging ballplayers in Jeter and Mo coming off pretty serious injuries manning key positions, and whose only signing of any significance was a Red Sox reject to man the hot corner to finish ahead of a team that added 3 players in their early 30s and a pitcher that averages right around 200 IP per year. (Not really)

     




     

    As I stated, if all is healthy, I prefer the Yankees' starting staff. That's why I pick them to do well. While I liked martin, it took him til Sept to get his BA above .200. If you really look at the numbers, youk and arod had very similar production.

    While Ichiro provides less power than swish, he's a much better defender and adds a sorely missed dimension to the offense. Big question is does he continue to thrive in Pinstripes or revert back to the last couple of seasons in seattle.

    Until I see otherwise, I expect Mo and Jeter to be, well, Mo and Jeter.

    As far as the bosox "adding a pitcher that averages 200 IP", umm, they had that in beckett. Except beckett is a lot better than dempster. Check out dempster's #'s against the Yanks and toronto.

    As far as adding "3 players in their early 30's", ummm, they also jettisoned a couple of guys around the same age that are much better players than the 3 they imported.




    Beckett hasn't pitched 200 innings since 2007. As far as the guys they traded being better than the guys they brought in, the Red Sox got basically nothing from Carl Crawford from the time they signed him until the time they traded him to LA. Plus on his best day he's an average to slightly above average defender with a spaghetti arm. I'm not saying Carl Crawford is a bad ball player, because I think he's very good at what he does and I hope he does well in LA. Victorino is at least a defensive upgrade from Crawford and he can actually get the ball back to the infield without bouncing it. If he can approach his career norms offensively he helps the Red Sox a lot. You definitely have a point about Gonzo vs. Napoli, especially defensively. Although 1B is probably the least important position on the diamond defensively, in my mind. Offensively you lose some BA with Napoli, but you gain a lot of pop, especially at Fenway. I'm not sure that Drew will be a defensive upgrade over Aviles, but he should get on base at a much higher clip. Plus the Sox added a couple of pretty good relievers in Uehara and Hanrahan. Now, I'm not going to write the Yanquis off the same way you seem to be doing with the Sawx, but I do think the division is pretty much wide open for any team that can stay healthy.

     
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    Maybe, but after losing Shields and more than likely Price next season how long do you really think their pitching and manager will hold a weak lineup together without going through another rebuilding process?  They got a good young player for Shields but they won't improve much as a team if they lose reliable pitching in favor of trying to improve the lineup.    

    I say they leave Tampa within two or three years!

     

     

    I agree with some of what you are saying, but again, the question was about 2013's standings, not 2-3 years down the road.

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    +1

    I was thinking the same thing. And don't ever count Madden out.

     
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    Maybe, but after losing Shields and more than likely Price next season how long do you really think their pitching and manager will hold a weak lineup together without going through another rebuilding process?  They got a good young player for Shields but they won't improve much as a team if they lose reliable pitching in favor of trying to improve the lineup.    

    I say they leave Tampa within two or three years!

     

     

    I agree with some of what you are saying, but again, the question was about 2013's standings, not 2-3 years down the road.

     




     

    +1

    I was thinking the same thing. And don't ever count Madden out.

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    I think Shields veteran presence will be greatly missed more than Myers and company will help next season.  If Moore struggles again they could really be in trouble, especially if Price ends up leaving next season. 

    The good picks Tampa made after many losing seasons are beginning to fade, on the pitching front anyway.  Tough to build a good offense and keep a solid staff on a team with limited resources.  Being sold may come before you ever see them have the same success again. 

     

     
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    Beckett hasn't pitched 200 innings since 2007. As far as the guys they traded being better than the guys they brought in, the Red Sox got basically nothing from Carl Crawford from the time they signed him until the time they traded him to LA. Plus on his best day he's an average to slightly above average defender with a spaghetti arm. I'm not saying Carl Crawford is a bad ball player, because I think he's very good at what he does and I hope he does well in LA. Victorino is at least a defensive upgrade from Crawford and he can actually get the ball back to the infield without bouncing it. If he can approach his career norms offensively he helps the Red Sox a lot. You definitely have a point about Gonzo vs. Napoli, especially defensively. Although 1B is probably the least important position on the diamond defensively, in my mind. Offensively you lose some BA with Napoli, but you gain a lot of pop, especially at Fenway. I'm not sure that Drew will be a defensive upgrade over Aviles, but he should get on base at a much higher clip. Plus the Sox added a couple of pretty good relievers in Uehara and Hanrahan. Now, I'm not going to write the Yanquis off the same way you seem to be doing with the Sawx, but I do think the division is pretty much wide open for any team that can stay healthy.

     



    beckett still managed to get to 170+ innings consistently and do it in the AL East. dempster has gotten crushed in the AL and has gotten absolutely hammered by the Yanks and blue jays. Even the rays avg 4++ runs a game against him.

    And while crawford did struggle in beantowne, I don't think anyone would trade crawford for victorino straight up.

    agon vs napoli is not even close. While you might feel that fielding is unimportant at 1B, I would strongly disagree (I think that defense in LF in fenway is less important than at 1B, see ramirez, manny). Just ask Jeter what the difference is between Tex and Giambi.

    Not much difference in pop, they actually have the same slugging % in their careers and an OBP difference of about 20 points. Then throw in the ability to stay on the field and you have a huge difference.

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    I guess we'll just have to see how the season plays out. :-)

     
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    I guess we'll just have to see how the season plays out. :-)



    Agreed.

    As they say, that's why they play the games.

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    April 1, NYC, Sabathia vs. Lester most likely. It should be a good one.

     
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    Maybe, but after losing Shields and more than likely Price next season how long do you really think their pitching and manager will hold a weak lineup together without going through another rebuilding process?  They got a good young player for Shields but they won't improve much as a team if they lose reliable pitching in favor of trying to improve the lineup.    

    I say they leave Tampa within two or three years!

     

     

    I agree with some of what you are saying, but again, the question was about 2013's standings, not 2-3 years down the road.

     




     

    +1

    I was thinking the same thing. And don't ever count Madden out.

     



    I think Shields veteran presence will be greatly missed more than Myers and company will help next season.  If Moore struggles again they could really be in trouble, especially if Price ends up leaving next season. 

     

    The good picks Tampa made after many losing seasons are beginning to fade, on the pitching front anyway.  Tough to build a good offense and keep a solid staff on a team with limited resources.  Being sold may come before you ever see them have the same success again. 

     

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    Well, they led MLB in TEAM ERA by a TON (Wash was 2nd), including ALL NL teams (no DH, historically good for almost a whole run), so I have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about.

     

    Top 5 in TEAM ERA in 2012:

    TB 3.19

    Wash 3.33

    LAD 3.34

    Cin 3.34

     

    BTW, Bos was 29th, at 4.70. 

     

    Your post is beyond ridiculous.

     
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    April 1, NYC, Sabathia vs. Lester most likely. It should be a good one.




    I'm probably going to head to Ft Meyers for the March 3rd ST game. I went last year, pretty cool ballpark and it only takes me a little over 2 hrs to get there.

    Last year I got Girardi to sign a ball.

    If I remember correctly it was that night that jenks got his DUI.

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    Talk about your bad signings. I'll try to make a couple of games in Boston, but I'll be going to more Sea Dogs games most likely. Especially when they play Trenton. Going to ST games would be almost worth putting up with all the strip malls in Fla. :-)

     
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    Well, they led MLB in TEAM ERA by a TON (Wash was 2nd), including ALL NL teams (no DH), so I have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about.

     

    Top 5 in TEAM ERA in 2012:

    TB 3.19

    Wash 3.33

    LAD 3.34

    Cin 3.34

     

    BTW, Bos was 29th, at 4.70.

     

    Your post is beyond ridiculous.




    As are his previous few on this thread.

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    And regarding the 29th ranked RS pitching,  yesterday/today he was waxing optimistic about that.

    This takes talking out of both corners of your mouth to a new level.

     
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    Talk about your bad signings. I'll try to make a couple of games in Boston, but I'll be going to more Sea Dogs games most likely. Especially when they play Trenton. Going to ST games would be almost worth putting up with all the strip malls in Fla. :-)




    LOL, I trade the strip malls for the weather, 20 degrees and snowing just ain't for me.

    I live in the Ft Lauderdale area, sadly, all the teams have moved their ST facilities away from this part of FL.

    I have to either take a 2 hr ride north to PSL, or a two hour ride over to Ft Meyers.

    I have made the trip up to Tampa a few times.

    Last year I didn't make it to The Stadium, but did catch the Yanks in Miami at the end of ST, and in Baltimore and TX during the regular season.

    Contemplating trying to catch them at the end of ST in DC this year, haven't been to the park yet.

    I like going to ST, gets the juices flowing. And no, I'm not referring to arod!!

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    That would be a heat wave this time of year. :-)

     
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