Predict the AL East standings for 2013 :)

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    Not true. Unless getting crushed means having an ERA in the low  4's the last 5 years.




    LOL, dempster's lifetime ERA is 4.33, and he spent his entire career in the NL save for 69 innings last year, where he had a 5++ ERA!!

    Do you think before hitting the "enter" key?

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    LOL, I did the research a few months ago. ERA in the low 4's the last 5 years in the AL. You are not worth doing it again. BTW, there is something called inter league games.

     
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    I was talking the last several posts, and not the sister thing 


    And No,  I'm not surprised you didn't understand the difference between these 2 similar words. I even expected this response. Hook, line, & sinker. Go look it up, Professor. LMAO.  




    You specifically said, "I don't have a sister"

    And it's ok, you can fess up. The word you were looking for was incarnation. That's a weak attempt to cover up a simple mistake.

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    Apparently, you don't get it; classic. Here goes: I was ridiculing your moniker names. Maybe there's IQEDs you could take.

     
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    Not true. Unless getting crushed means having an ERA in the low  4's the last 5 years.

     




     

    LOL, dempster's lifetime ERA is 4.33, and he spent his entire career in the NL save for 69 innings last year, where he had a 5++ ERA!!

    Do you think before hitting the "enter" key?




     

    LOL, I did the research a few months ago. ERA in the low 4's the last 5 years in the AL. You are not worth doing it again. BTW, there is something called inter league games.

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    Up until this yr, not many.

     
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    Maybe, but after losing Shields and more than likely Price next season how long do you really think their pitching and manager will hold a weak lineup together without going through another rebuilding process?  They got a good young player for Shields but they won't improve much as a team if they lose reliable pitching in favor of trying to improve the lineup.    

    I say they leave Tampa within two or three years!

     

     

    I agree with some of what you are saying, but again, the question was about 2013's standings, not 2-3 years down the road.

     




     

    +1

    I was thinking the same thing. And don't ever count Madden out.

     



    I think Shields veteran presence will be greatly missed more than Myers and company will help next season.  If Moore struggles again they could really be in trouble, especially if Price ends up leaving next season. 

     

    The good picks Tampa made after many losing seasons are beginning to fade, on the pitching front anyway.  Tough to build a good offense and keep a solid staff on a team with limited resources.  Being sold may come before you ever see them have the same success again. 

     

     



    Well, they led MLB in TEAM ERA by a TON (Wash was 2nd), including ALL NL teams (no DH), so I have absolutely NOidea what you're talking about.

     

     

    Top 5 in TEAM ERA in 2012:

    TB 3.19

    Wash 3.33

    LAD 3.34

    Cin 3.34

     

    BTW, Bos was 29th, at 4.70.

     

    Your post is beyond ridiculous.

     



    My bet is Tampa takes a step backwards the next two or three years.  I think trading Davis and Shields was a huge risk for a team with little offense "short term" anyway. 

     

    Hopefully Moore, or another youngster can mature quickly because I don't see Price staying, or the young pitching on the farm being what is once was.  2012's ERA has no impact on 2013 until proven.

    Time will tell!

     

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    In adjacent years, there's usually a high correlation. Otherwise, this is like a 6' 600 lb person calling a 6' 160 lb person who just went up to 170 lbs "heavy", with obsesity related risks.

     
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    Apparently, you don't get it; classic. Here goes: I was ridiculing your moniker names. Maybe there's IQEDs you could take.

     




     

    Weak. You used the wrong word. It's ok, but like arod, you should just fess up.

     



    OK, I'll fess up. I'm an inferior woman, an only child, and my real name is Stephanie, who roots for all things Boston, and just happend to misspell incarnation and then make an excuse for it. Speaking of "fessing", how about some of the things U haven't fessed up to in the past? 

     

     
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    dempster is better than beckett.




    Numbers last year......


    Beckett--7-14, ERA 4.65, WHIP 1.327, WAR 2.3, xFIP 4.22, K/9 7.0

    Dempster--12-8, ERA 3.38, WHIP 1.197, WAR 3.3, xFIP, 3.77, K/9 8.0

    Tell me where Beckett is even close to Dempster.

    Let me add, I said that the quote..."Beckett is a LOT better then Dempster" is not true. And it is not true.

     
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    Shocking, although improving; only a 37 game swing between Balt & Bos here.

     




     

     

    16 of those games is simply expecting equal luck. Not so much to ask is it? As for the other 21, improved chemistry, health, and the addition of nearly 10 quality players makes up the rest.

     




    not to mention the lack of any work to the Baltimore roster. Their 2012 season was truly magical... but they've done virtually nothing to their roster and i don't expect them to even sniff .500

     



    It wasn't all luck.

    They had just lost their best SP from the year before (Guthrie).

    They had good managing.

    They have some players who are getting closer to their prime and should get better in 2013:

    Weiters 26

    A Jones  26

    C Davis  26

    W. Chen 26

    Markakis 28

    Gonzalez 28

    Tillman  24

    Machado  20

     

    Don't count these guys out just yet.

     

     
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    LOL, I did the research a few months ago. ERA in the low 4's the last 5 years in the AL. You are not worth doing it again. BTW, there is something called inter league games.

     



    ERA over 5 last year in the AL, do all the research you want.

     

    Here's his career interleague

    SplitWLW-L%ERAGGSGFCGSHOSVIPHRERHRBBIBBSOHBPBKWPBFWHIPSO/9SO/BB   Inter-League 11 15 .423 4.63 50 35 14 2 0 7 229.1 243 126 118 30 93 1 186 14 0 10 1007 1.465 7.3 2.00




     

    I said the last 5 years.

     
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    Shocking, although improving; only a 37 game swing between Balt & Bos here.

     




     

     

    16 of those games is simply expecting equal luck. Not so much to ask is it? As for the other 21, improved chemistry, health, and the addition of nearly 10 quality players makes up the rest.

     




    not to mention the lack of any work to the Baltimore roster. Their 2012 season was truly magical... but they've done virtually nothing to their roster and i don't expect them to even sniff .500

     

     



    It wasn't all luck.

     

    They had just lost their best SP from the year before (Guthrie).

    They had good managing.

    They have some players who are getting closer to their prime and should get better in 2013:

    Weiters 26

    A Jones  26

    C Davis  26

    W. Chen 26

    Markakis 28

    Gonzalez 28

    Tillman  24

    Machado  20

     

    Don't count these guys out just yet.

     

     



    Was very surprised Vegas has them at 40-1. And their SP appears to be better this yr. (It's best to always say in Feb. appears)

     

     
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    Beckett--7-14, ERA 4.65, WHIP 1.327, WAR 2.3, xFIP 4.22, K/9 7.0

    Dempster--12-8, ERA 3.38, WHIP 1.197, WAR 3.3, xFIP, 3.77, K/9 8.0

    Tell me where Beckett is even close to Dempster.

    Let me add, I said that the quote..."Beckett is a LOT better then Dempster" is not true. And it is not true.

     




     

    LOL, nice, just cherry pick one year to "prove" your point.

    I can't even dignify you with resonses any longer.

     



    To be fair, Beckett does not appear to be the nearly unhittable horse (in alternate yrs, not a coincidence IMO) he was a few yrs ago. And Dempster was good for most of last yr; in the NL.

     

     
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    Re: Predict the AL East standings for 2013 :)

    Here's a comparison that should be reasonable:

    Beckett with Red Sox

    1240 innings

    4.17 ERA

    110 ERA+

    Dempster with Cubs

    1182 innings

    3.74 ERA

    115 ERA+

     

     
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    Vegas Odds

    All Times Eastern Odds to win the 2013 World Series  Odds Arizona Diamondbacks 50/1   Atlanta Braves 12/1   Baltimore Orioles 40/1   Boston Red Sox 28/1   Chicago Cubs 100/1   Chicago White Sox 40/1   Cincinnati Reds 14/1   Cleveland Indians 75/1   Colorado Rockies 100/1   Detroit Tigers 9/1   Houston Astros 200/1   Kansas City Royals 50/1   Los Angeles Angels 9/1   Los Angeles Dodgers 8/1   Miami Marlins 100/1   Milwaukee Brewers 35/1   Minnesota Twins 100/1   New York Mets 100/1   New York Yankees 14/1   Oakland Athletics 30/1   Philadelphia Phillies 18/1   Pittsburgh Pirates 50/1   San Diego Padres 75/1   San Francisco Giants 12/1   Seattle Mariners 75/1   St. Louis Cardinals 22/1   Tampa Bay Rays 25/1   Texas Rangers 14/1   Toronto Blue Jays 7/1   Washington Nationals 8/1   Handle (Suspended) 1/1  

     



    Toronto is a 7/1 odd?!?  I guess Vegas is now run by Canadians.  LOL

     

     




    That's quite good, buit they look good. I was a little surprised myself; also, apparently the RS are better than I thought, and the NYM worse. I believe NYY are overrated;  they have problems this yr; must be like the Jeter GG. RS may be a little overrated as well. I'm shocked Balt is perceived so badly; they could be a powerhouse IMO.

     



    Keep in mind that these odds are set by Vegas to lure bettors. It makes sense to make Boston, NY, Philly, St Louis and the Dodgers attractive since their followers are the most rabid and most likely to place their bets. 

     
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     And Dempster was good for most of last yr; in the NL.

     




    Last year, Dempster had an ERA of 4.30 in the AL. With the Rangers, he was 7-3 with an xFIP below 4. He had some bad luck with the Rangers, so gave up a few more hits then he normally would, so his WHIP and ERA went up over his normal numbers. However, still won 70% of his games. Still "WAS" good in Texas.

     
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    Here's a comparison that should be reasonable:

    Beckett with Red Sox

    1240 innings

    4.17 ERA

    110 ERA+

    Dempster with Cubs

    1182 innings

    3.74 ERA

    115 ERA+

     



    The DH is good for about 0.7 to 1.0 runs.

     
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     And Dempster was good for most of last yr; in the NL.

     

     




     

    Last year, Dempster had an ERA of 4.30 in the AL. With the Rangers, he was 7-3 with an xFIP below 4. He had some bad luck with the Rangers, so gave up a few more hits then he normally would, so his WHIP and ERA went up over his normal numbers. However, still won 70% of his games. Still "WAS" good in Texas.

     



    Luck, luck, luck. Did it ever occur to you there may have been some luck with Chicago? After all, as best to my recollection, he never quite had a stretch like that before

     

     
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    Here's a comparison that should be reasonable:

    Beckett with Red Sox

    1240 innings

    4.17 ERA

    110 ERA+

    Dempster with Cubs

    1182 innings

    3.74 ERA

    115 ERA+

     

     



    The DH is good for about 0.7 to 1.0 runs.

     



    Not quite that much.  And ERA+ is adjusted for all that because it compares to league ERA.

     
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    Here's a comparison that should be reasonable:

    Beckett with Red Sox

    1240 innings

    4.17 ERA

    110 ERA+

    Dempster with Cubs

    1182 innings

    3.74 ERA

    115 ERA+

     

     



    The DH is good for about 0.7 to 1.0 runs.

     

     



    Not quite that much.  And ERA+ is adjusted for all that because it compares to league ERA.

     

     



    Admittedly, I didn't see that; however, that's if you believe in ERA+. Here's a point to debunk it some. In the late 1990s, MLB had an ERA of about 5.1. In the late 60s, it was under 3. This means a P with an ERA in the mid 3's in the 1st period shall have a comparable if not better ERA+ than someone in the High 1s in the late 60s.

     

    I'm not buying it. ERC# may be a better measure, but it's still flawed, albeit less so. 

     

     
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    Here's a comparison that should be reasonable:

    Beckett with Red Sox

    1240 innings

    4.17 ERA

    110 ERA+

    Dempster with Cubs

    1182 innings

    3.74 ERA

    115 ERA+

     

     



    How is pitching in the NL Central comparable to pitching in the AL East?

     

    ERA+ is as close to a level playing field comparison as you're going to get.

    The fact is that Beckett had some great stretches of pitching and some horrendous stretches.  For his talent level he's the most erratic starter I've ever seen.

     
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    Here's a comparison that should be reasonable:

    Beckett with Red Sox

    1240 innings

    4.17 ERA

    110 ERA+

    Dempster with Cubs

    1182 innings

    3.74 ERA

    115 ERA+

     

     



    How is pitching in the NL Central comparable to pitching in the AL East?

     

     

     

    ERA+ is as close to a level playing field comparison as you're going to get.

    The fact is that Beckett had some great stretches of pitching and some horrendous stretches.  For his talent level he's the most erratic starter I've ever seen.

     




     

    See above.

    Having said that, he's no Aaron Cook or Paul Byrd; but don't expect him to be a world beater. And while he's a horse (eating innings is always a good thing, and the prerequisite to do this is to be effective & have stamina, which he is), he is getting up there.

     
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