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VERY FEW references about homosexuality????
There arenn't any references to "homosexuals" in the Bible. However, there are passages that condemn same-sex sexual behavior, along with other human behaviors.
There is no redemption for any sinners who defiantly refuse to acknwowledge their behavior is sinful. The behaviors and ways of mankind have no moral authority, whatsoever.
The complaint seeks to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to “cease and desist” the practice of refusing wedding cakes for gay couples, and to tell the public that their business is open to everyone.
If Phillips loses the case and refuses to comply with the order, he would face fines of $500 per case and up to a year in jail, his attorney said.
“It would force him to choose between his conscience and a paycheck. I just think that’s an intolerable choice,” Martin said.
In the catholic faith we are not allow to participate in anothers sin. I am not allowed to drive someone to get an abortion and I'm not allowed to participate in same sex unions. Providing serviced to these weddings is participating. You may agree or disagree but that is what my faith teaches.
So, now christians who firmly believe this are made to choose between God and man. This baker is being forced to choose between God and going to jail. This is not the only case I have read about.
To sell to some one who lies, cheats etc. is a different matter. I am not participating in their sin of cheating etc. by selling them a wedding cake.
I and a number of my friends where faced with the same issue when same sex marriage came to dc. We were afraid the same thing could happen to us. If we choose to keep firm in our faith in God we could loose everything and potentialy go to jail. If we go along with the homosexual agenda we have to answer to God on judgement day.
I have used to have freedom of religion in this country but no more. In this country we used to be able to practice any religion we wanted but no more. Look at the link I posted above.
I am retired but I know about the wedding industry because I was a vendor. I know there are vendors who specialize in same sex weddings. There are bridal fairs who specialize in same sex weddings. I feel bad for the choice this man is being made to make. God or jail.
I was under the impression that all sins are equal. There are sins that lead to death, but neither of the ones mentioned here do. That would make them equally as sinful and unlike you believe, not different, thus the baker should just close shop and sell to nobody since we are ALL sinners.
another scenario for ya. If your daughter was raped by some psycho dirtbag that belongs in a mental institution in jail and she was begging for her mom (you, in this scenario) to take her so she can have this devil child taken out of her, would you? Or would you tell her to take a cab or get a ride from a friend, and then treat her like a "sinner" thats going to have to answer to Gods wrath because of it? If your all over papi for the F word I cant wait to hear this honest answer.
Sorry to have to go there, but these are unfortunate circumstances that are very real. Im being totally serious here, because I have ran across people like you who have taken a step back when it came to their own. Would you have nothing to do with her or him if they were attracted to the same sex?
I will take you at your word that you want a serious discussion.
My faith teaches that all sins are not equal. Venial sin is a lesser sin and does not cut you off from God. Venial sins can never add up to a mortal sin.
A mortal sin is so grave that it does cut you off from God. If one dies in a state of unrepentent mortal sin that person goes to hell.
Only God knows who is in mortal sin, I am forbidden to tell someone they are going to hell. In fact it's a mortal sin to tell someone they are going to hell. Only God reads heart.
If I sell someone a wedding cake who is a liar I'm not participation in their lie. If I sell a wedding cake to a couple who is celebrating a same sex marriage I am participating in that event. There is a difference. You don't have to agree with it my faith but we should not put people in jail in the united states of america because they are trying to practice their faith. Isn't this what happens in russia and china.
You are correct, we are all sinners. One of the many reasons I love being catholic is because we have the sacrament of reconciliation. Jesus breath on his apostles and said whose sins your forgive are forgiven. God breath into man to give him life. It's an important statement.
Homosexual activity and abortion are mortal sins in my faith so for me to participate in them or any mortal sin is not allowed.
Why should that baker and others like him close his business? Do you feel as devildavid that he should go to jail. Have we come to this in america. God or jail. Who ever thought we would see this day. I guess secular progressives did.
I believe that life is sacred so if I had a daughter and she was raped I would want her to have her child. Why should that child receive the death sentence because of the sin of her father?
I once heard a pro-life speaker who was the result of a rape. She was a powerful speaker. She said 'don't you dare tell me I don't have the right to be here because I am a product of a rape'.
Fr. Groeshel is a wonderful priests who work with the poor, prisoners and downtroden. I have met him a couple of times and am very good friends with someone who works with him. He also works with homosexuals to help them with their disorder. He has the greatest compasion for them and does great work.
A friend of mine went to girlscout camp as a girl and had a lesbian encounter. She led that lifstyle into her adult years. She finially realized that she didn't have ssad, and is now happily married to a man. There are many others like her so please don't tell me that people are born this way.
My son has attention defecit disorder and I moved heaven and earth to help him while he was growing up. He is now a happily married man with a good job and a beautiful daughter.
If he or my other son had same sex attraction disorder I would do the same.
Picture these three major moments in the bible.
God made man:
He made a man and a woman and told them to multiply.
God became man:
Jesus became man and walked among mankind via a family that was made up of a man and a woman. In this way he sanctified the family
God performed His first miracle as man:
He turned water into wine at a wedding feast of a man and a women thus sactifying marriage between a man and a woman.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. He has spoken three thousand words how many more do you and others here need?
Even though we may agree or disagree on some things, I do respect your honesty.