Re: PRIDE NIGHT
posted at 6/9/2013 4:23 PM EDT
In response to redsoxdirtdog's comment:
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In response to 67redsox's comment:
It is terrible that anyone is killed anywhere in the world for something that is not a crime. But how many Christians are killed in the United States each year because of their faith? We are only talking about what happens here. Our country is rightly and strongly opposed to Christian persecution in other countries and of cours here as well. Our country stands as a beacon of tolerance and I am proud of that. There is much more chance of persecution of religions other than Christianity in this country.
Hmmm..... There is religious freedom in this country? Really? What about that baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a homosexual couple? They have reported him and he is facing charges that may put him in jail with hundreds of dollars in fines. He is by far not the only one who has to face these charges.
I was a vendor in the wedding industry for years. When dc passed same sex marriage myself as well any many christians and a jewish friend were afraid, yes afraid.
Do we stand firm in our beliefs, if so will we be thrown in jail, fined, lose our business? Some of you disagree with my beliefs, you think I'm holier than thou etc. If you knew me you would know how silly that statement is.
Many, the majority in 31 states, feel as I do. I do not believe in same sex marriage, I have strong religious beliefs. If you think I'm wrong so be it. If I have to die for my beliefs like those overseas I will.
If you think that type of behavior won't happen here. Have you been reading these threads. Have you read the vile names I have been called, I have been liken to hitler. Yes, hitler. Wow!
What names have I called people here, who have I likened to hitler. I believe marriage is between a man and a women, how is that spewing hate at those this ssad.
I am enjoying my freedoms now, I don't know how long I will have them.
There is absolutely no evidence to support your view that we will be losing religious freedom here. Baking cakes has nothing to do with practicing religion. Where is the evidence of people being jailed for holding certain beliefs or gathering for religious activities? Name calling on a chat board is quite common and cowardly. I do my best to refrain from it. I don't think the name callers have any particular ability to change the laws of our nation or alter the Constitution. I try to keep my discussions from becoming personal because that weakens your argument. I sincerely think you are over-reacting to certain incidents involving businesses. They will not lead to any sort of persecution of religion or limiting of the rights we are guarnteed in the Constitution. If you think we have a right to choose who to do business then this is a different issue. Should a Jewish run business be allowed to sell only to Jews or shoud an atheist business have the right to exclude theists? This is an entirely different debate. Shoud someone have to confess all their wrong doings before being allowed to buy something from a business? This is not a religious issue, it is a civil rights issue. Selling a cake to a homosexual couple is not tantamount to supporting their sinfulness. Catholicism teaches that we are all sinners, so who would be left to sell to? What if they refused to sell cakes to idolaters, thieves, liars, cheaters? They are probably already unknowingly doing this. That certainly doesn't mean they approve of those sins.
Here goes 67 about the terrorized 'christian' cake baker again.....
Forget about the cake baker 67, what about all those Dunkin Donut owners who are FORCED to sell donuts to suspected homosexuals who are likely eating them at local meetings of the GLBT??? You know the type. They NEVER order those delicious little donut holes!
Seriously though...... I don't thnk any business owner should be forced to DECORATE a cake in a way that runs counter to their religious beliefs. This I will agree with.
*****My agreement with the oh so bright 67 ends here! I would venture to guess that his REFUSAL OF SERVICES would extend well beyond the DECORATION of said cake......
I do believe that business owners in P-Town should conversely have the right to refuse services to any suspected christian! In fact, Jews and Muslims should have the right to refuse services to any christian. Why should they have to serve anybody who worships a 'false' messiah?
Do you suppose that guys with the intellectual fire-power of a 67 (this number has nothing to do with the storied Red Sox summer of impossible dreams) has any concept of the law of unintended consequences????
btw..... I have nothing against 67! I simply don't have much patience with simple people. As has been pointed out to me on many occasions..... I don't suffer fools well ;)
Please save your thoughts on all things Catholic.
My gay brother is Catholic. Instead of wax ignorantly about social issues, he spends his free time helping recent LEGAL immigrants assimilate into our society. Many of his favorites happen to be Russian and Eastern Europian immigrants who STRONGLY condemn his real identity. He helps them none the less. He actually believes in doing the lords work, and helping the poor, meek, and powerless.
I'm always amazed to hear his stories, and I often ask him why he helps those who would likely hate him if they knew of his homosexuality? "I forgive them, for they know not what they do." Have you ever thought of telling them? "Are you kiddding me?!?!" he would say.
Still...... He's a REAL Christian! He doen't spend his every waking moment thinking about how he can judge sinners worse than him, as the 67's and Stiffys of this world do!!!!
Come on now 67, I'm always curious to see what you choose to ignore when responding to certain 'difficult' posts....
It's gotta be tough playing the hand you were dealt. With you, it's clear you're playing with a stacked deck. You're clearly struggling to play against nature and nurture. It's not your fault!!!! It's not your fault ;)
News FLASH: 67 86ed from The Lobster Pot in P-Town.....
"I simply wanted to pray before my meal." Said 67
"We couldn't tolerate him shoving his personal lifestyle choices down our throats!" Said the owners of the Lobster Pot. "Why does the guy have to pray out loud? I think he was just trying to be an ___________ hole?" said a quiet Catholic patron.