Prospect rankings season

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    Xander Bogaerts named top SS prospect in baseball by MLB.com:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/xander-bogaerts-heads-list-of-mlbcoms-top-10-shortstop-prospects?ymd=20140113&content_id=66482416&vkey=news_mlb&partnerId=ed-7843474-643588053

     
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    The more and more I hear about Garin the less I think his power will come.  I almost want to bite my tounge saying that because if his hit tool and on base skills are as good as advertised he could have the potential to be an elite middle of the order bat next to Xander.  

    From what I've heard, his swing does not fit the prototypical power hitters swing, the good thing is he stays in the zone but it doesn't create loft.  Of course he could change his swing mechanics....but that could also have potential consequences on his overall plate approach.

    One thing I heard on the Sox Podcast the other day when they had Jason Parks on there was that Garin eats a lot of fastballs just for the sake of working the count.  Overall I consider that an asset, but you have to wonder if he could stand to be a bit more aggresive from time to time if he could increase his HR and 2B's numbers from just knowing when to turn on a pitch.

    Ultimately I think the power comes....but it's not what some of us on here would like it to be.  He's never hit more than 7 in a season but with his size and plate approach I can see him hitting HR's in the 12-15 zone with 30+ doubles power.  For a guy that has the potential to walk a ton and hit .280 or ever .300 +  thats really really good. 

    Power is great, but as long as he is near or over a .400 OBP, I'd be very happy.



    Agreed....and if he can put up those kinda numbers he will fit in very well next to Pedey in front of Bogaerts for years to come in the lineup.  Not sure where at this point, but if his offensive skills transition to the bigs I have a hard time seeing the Sox not finding room for him.  He may play first base, left field, right field, or third base....and in a post David Ortiz era I can almost see him being a super utility guy who rotates enough to qualify and play almost ever day, a la Dan Uggla. 



    He is 6-3, so my guess is 1B.

    He might possibly break records for most SBs by a firstbaseman.



    He will not have the protoypical power bat for first base.  But if he turns out to be a plus defender at first who can bat .300 with high .300 .400 OBP %'s then I'll take that any year; especially considering he will be cost controlled for years.  

     
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    That's a strong list too...very strong. 

     
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    The more and more I hear about Garin the less I think his power will come.  I almost want to bite my tounge saying that because if his hit tool and on base skills are as good as advertised he could have the potential to be an elite middle of the order bat next to Xander.  

    From what I've heard, his swing does not fit the prototypical power hitters swing, the good thing is he stays in the zone but it doesn't create loft.  Of course he could change his swing mechanics....but that could also have potential consequences on his overall plate approach.

    One thing I heard on the Sox Podcast the other day when they had Jason Parks on there was that Garin eats a lot of fastballs just for the sake of working the count.  Overall I consider that an asset, but you have to wonder if he could stand to be a bit more aggresive from time to time if he could increase his HR and 2B's numbers from just knowing when to turn on a pitch.

    Ultimately I think the power comes....but it's not what some of us on here would like it to be.  He's never hit more than 7 in a season but with his size and plate approach I can see him hitting HR's in the 12-15 zone with 30+ doubles power.  For a guy that has the potential to walk a ton and hit .280 or ever .300 +  thats really really good. 

    Power is great, but as long as he is near or over a .400 OBP, I'd be very happy.



    Agreed....and if he can put up those kinda numbers he will fit in very well next to Pedey in front of Bogaerts for years to come in the lineup.  Not sure where at this point, but if his offensive skills transition to the bigs I have a hard time seeing the Sox not finding room for him.  He may play first base, left field, right field, or third base....and in a post David Ortiz era I can almost see him being a super utility guy who rotates enough to qualify and play almost ever day, a la Dan Uggla. 



    He is 6-3, so my guess is 1B.

    He might possibly break records for most SBs by a firstbaseman.




    They said the same things about Youk. Never would hit for power. Fenway is a hitters park even for LH if they can inside out the ball and use the wall. As Garrin matures and fills out he will naturely develope more power. If he can get 20Hr's w/ his obp and speed, he will be a middle of the order bat.

     

     
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    The more and more I hear about Garin the less I think his power will come.  I almost want to bite my tounge saying that because if his hit tool and on base skills are as good as advertised he could have the potential to be an elite middle of the order bat next to Xander.  

    From what I've heard, his swing does not fit the prototypical power hitters swing, the good thing is he stays in the zone but it doesn't create loft.  Of course he could change his swing mechanics....but that could also have potential consequences on his overall plate approach.

    One thing I heard on the Sox Podcast the other day when they had Jason Parks on there was that Garin eats a lot of fastballs just for the sake of working the count.  Overall I consider that an asset, but you have to wonder if he could stand to be a bit more aggresive from time to time if he could increase his HR and 2B's numbers from just knowing when to turn on a pitch.

    Ultimately I think the power comes....but it's not what some of us on here would like it to be.  He's never hit more than 7 in a season but with his size and plate approach I can see him hitting HR's in the 12-15 zone with 30+ doubles power.  For a guy that has the potential to walk a ton and hit .280 or ever .300 +  thats really really good. 

    Power is great, but as long as he is near or over a .400 OBP, I'd be very happy.



    Agreed....and if he can put up those kinda numbers he will fit in very well next to Pedey in front of Bogaerts for years to come in the lineup.  Not sure where at this point, but if his offensive skills transition to the bigs I have a hard time seeing the Sox not finding room for him.  He may play first base, left field, right field, or third base....and in a post David Ortiz era I can almost see him being a super utility guy who rotates enough to qualify and play almost ever day, a la Dan Uggla. 



    He is 6-3, so my guess is 1B.

    He might possibly break records for most SBs by a firstbaseman.




    They said the same things about Youk. Never would hit for power. Fenway is a hitters park even for LH if they can inside out the ball and use the wall. As Garrin matures and fills out he will naturely develope more power. If he can get 20Hr's w/ his obp and speed, he will be a middle of the order bat.

     



    He could develop more power, but that doesn't mean we should assume it is going to happen.  There is a very good chance it doesn't happen.  Every scouting report I've seen on the kid (and it matches what I saw in Portland this year) says he's already filled out, he's a BIG kid with very little room left to grow.

    Yes he could change his swing, and develop more strength....but I don't think that is something we should assume will happen naturally.  Yes it happened with Youk, and Youk is a great example of why we should be optimistic for a kid like Cecchini...but we should also realize there are more example of players who fit Cecchini's profile who never develop the power. 

     
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    Boggs never had much power, or speed, but he turned out ok

     
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    Here are how some different services are ranking our pitching prospects among all our prospects (not league wide rankings):

    soxprospects.com has done a pretty good job ranking our prospects over many years, and they have our pitchers ranked like this:

    3) Owens

    6) Barnes

    7) Ranaudo

    8) Webster

    9) Workman

    11) T Ball

    12) Britton

    15) Stankiewicz

    18) Johnson

    22) Callahan

    23) Mercedes

    24) Buttrey

    26) L Diaz

    27) Hinojosa

    29) Wilson

    30) Ramirez

    31) Kukuk

    33) Smith

    34) Littrell

    37) Gomez

    38) McGrath

    41) Wright

    43) Couch

    44) Price

    45) Quevedo

    46) Martin

    47) Light

    48) Gunkel

    49) Pena

    50) Celesino

    (They don't consider de la Rosa a prospect, but he was ranked #7 behind Ranaudo, Barnes and Webster last June.)

     

    Baseball America:

    2) Owens

    4) Webster

    8) Workman

    9) Barnes

    10) Ball

     

    Bleacher Report:

    2) Owens

    6) Webster

    8) Workman

    9) Barnes

    10) Ball

     

    SB Nation:

    4) Owens

    5) Ranaudo

    8) Webster

    9) Workman

    10) Barnes

    11) Ball

    12) Britton

    13) Mercedes

    17) Stankiewicz

    18) Callahan

    19) Johnson

    20) Buttrey

    C+ D McGrath

     

    ESPN:

    4) Owens

    5) Barnes

    6) Ranaudo

    7) Webster

    9) Ball

     

    Rant Sports:

    3) Webster

    4) Owens

    5) Barnes

    6) Ranaudo

    8) Ball

     

     

     

     
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    Here's scout.com's top 100

    http://mlb.scout.com/a.z?s=243&p=9&c=12&yr=2014&nid=287&lnid=287&rc=4&pid=88&pg=1

    Interesting, because they consider Bogaerts and Bradley ineligible as both are expected to be in the major leagues on Opening Day...and yet they still have six Red Sox on the list:

    Owens #21

    Webster #54

    Cecchini #58

    Betts #61

    Ball #81

    Swihart #84

     
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    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=lhp

    Sox got 2 out of the top 10 for LHP. 

     
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    I'm a little more inclined to reference MLB.coms rankings now that Jim Callis is over there working with them. 

     
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    I'm a little more inclined to reference MLB.coms rankings now that Jim Callis is over there working with them. 




    I was thinking the same thing. That definitely lends them some cred.

     
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    Here's a look at Sox prospects by position according to soxprospects.com (some players are listed multiple times at different positions they could play or end up at eventually):

    C: 5 Swihart, 13 Vazquez, 28 Butler, 32 Denney

    1B: 4 Cecchini, 40 Longhi, 42 Shaw, 51 Chester

    2B: 10 Betts, 19 Rijo, 25 Coyle

    3B: 1 Bogaerts, 4 Cecchini, 10 Betts, 21 Devers, 59 Acosta

    SS: 1 Bogaerts, 17 Marrero, 39 Lin

    LF: 10 Betts, 14 Margot, 20 Hassan, 55 Hudson

    CF: 2 JBJ, 14 Margot, 35 Ramos

    RF: 14 Margot, 16 Brentz, 36 de la Cruz

    DH: 4 Cecchini, 10 Betts, 25 Coyle

    SP: 3 Owens, 6 Barnes, 7 Ranaudo, 8 Webster, 9 Workman, 11 T Ball, 12 Britton

          15 Stankiewicz, 18 Johnson, 22 Callahan, 23 Mercedes, 24 Buttrey, 26 Diaz

          27 Hinojosa, 31 Kukuk, 33 Smith, 34 Littrell, 37 Gomez, 38 McGrath, 41 Wright

          43 Couch, 47 Light, 49 Pena, 53 Haley, 56 Romero, 57 Almonte, 58 Jiminez

    RP: 9 Workman, 12 Britton, 23 Mercedes, 27 Hinojosa, 29 Wilson, 30 Ramirez,

           44 Price, 45 Quevedo, 46 Martin, 48 Gunkel, 50 Celestino, 52 Stroup

           53 Haley, 54 Aro, 60 Gonzalez

    (note: de la Rosa is no longer listed as a prospect)

     

     
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    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=rhp

     

    Blake Swihart getting some love, one spot behind Yankee top prospect Gary Sanchez.  

     
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    Players who rose the most on the soxprospects.com list:

    +16 N Ramirez

    +10 Mercedes

    +7 M Price (51 to 44)

    +6 T Shaw (48 to 42)

    +5 M Smith

    +5 Littrell

    +5 Gunkel (53 to 48)

    +4 Devers

    +3 Swihart

    Players who fell the most:

    -13 Denney

    -12 P Light (47 from 35)

    -8 Celestino (50 from 42)

    -4 Diaz

    -4 Ramos

    -4 de la Cruz

    -3 Johnson

    -3 kukuk

     
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    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=ss

    MLB's top 10 at 3rd base is out this morning.  Cecchini comes in at #6, Sano at the top is no surprise. 

     
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    Wow that 3rd base list is a strong one.  The minor league is stacked on the left side.  Left side infielders and right handed pitching seem to be in abundance. 

     
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    I'm just curious, but whatever happened to Ryan Lavarnaway. He was supposed to be a hot prospect at the end of 2012 and I think he started 2013 on the 25-man, but he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since then. Did he get hurt or traded or abducted by aliens?

     
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    I'm just curious, but whatever happened to Ryan Lavarnaway. He was supposed to be a hot prospect at the end of 2012 and I think he started 2013 on the 25-man, but he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since then. Did he get hurt or traded or abducted by aliens?



    He will be in AAA this year with the Sox, unless soemone gets hurt. (C/DH)

     
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    some really good players in the 3B rankings... 

     
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    some really good players in the 3B rankings... 



    3B, SS and RHP seems to be stacked.  But I'd love Miguel Sano at the top of my farm system....I bet the Yankees wouldn't mind him either. 

     
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    some really good players in the 3B rankings... 



    3B, SS and RHP seems to be stacked.  But I'd love Miguel Sano at the top of my farm system....I bet the Yankees wouldn't mind him either. 

    true dat hugh..

     
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    I'm just curious, but whatever happened to Ryan Lavarnaway. He was supposed to be a hot prospect at the end of 2012 and I think he started 2013 on the 25-man, but he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since then. Did he get hurt or traded or abducted by aliens?

     



    He will be in AAA this year with the Sox, unless soemone gets hurt. (C/DH)

     




    What I mean is that a couple years ago, he was supposed to be the Sox' top catching prospect and now he seems to have fallen to #3 at best. Did he regress that much or did Swihart, Denney, and Vazquez improve so much they vaulted ahead of him? I'm pretty sure he was one of MLB.com's top 20 Sox prospects in 2012 and he's not even on that list this year. On the other hand, being at AAA probably means he's first up should something happen to AJ or Ross. Vazquez is also at Pawtucket, but Swihart was in the Carolina League (high A) last year and Denney was at Rookie ball.

     

     
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    I'm just curious, but whatever happened to Ryan Lavarnaway. He was supposed to be a hot prospect at the end of 2012 and I think he started 2013 on the 25-man, but he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since then. Did he get hurt or traded or abducted by aliens?



    He will be in AAA this year with the Sox, unless soemone gets hurt. (C/DH)




    What I mean is that a couple years ago, he was supposed to be the Sox' top catching prospect and now he seems to have fallen to #3 at best. Did he regress that much or did Swihart and the other guy (can't remember his name) improve so much they vaulted ahead of him? On the other hand, being at AAA probably means he's first up should something happen to AJ or Ross.



    Both

     
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    I'm fully aware this is a very good problem to have, but with Bogaerts and Middlebrooks in the Majors, Pedroia signed long-term and Cecchini perhaps just a couple years away, what does that mean for guys further down the organizational ladder like Marrero and Mookie Betts?

     
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    I'm fully aware this is a very good problem to have, but with Bogaerts and Middlebrooks in the Majors, Pedroia signed long-term and Cecchini perhaps just a couple years away, what does that mean for guys further down the organizational ladder like Marrero and Mookie Betts?



    not an issue right now because those guys are a few years away but a lot can happen...
    If WMB develops consistant 30 HR power and Marrero or Betts has the offense to play in the majors you could see one of them push Bogaerts over to 3B, or one of Cecchini/Betts could turn into the super sub type a la Ben Zoberist. 

    Either one or both might not even reach their ceiling and could just be nothing more than a utility guy, and if everyone pans out....someone is bound to be trade bait.

    You never know, Dustin Pedrioa could sustain a career ending injury in 2 years from now and Mookie Betts becomes our every day 2nd baseman....only time will tell.

    But yes....this is all a good problem to have.

     
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