Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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Perhaps the biggest bust in the history of baseball, this team has no shot of doing anything. Lackey tomorrow. At the trade deadline, Ortiz, Drew and Papelbon will all be gone.
Posted by ADG
Completely agree. Everyone likes to say "too early," but you cannot say that. When you start this bad, your confidence drops and things snowball. Pressing leads to more pressing and everything falls apart. If this happened in the middle of season, it would not be a big deal because it WOULDN'T be a big deal. However, when this happens in the beginning of the season, it IS a big deal. This is a new team without the collective history that allows them to say "it's okay, we've gone through tough times before and all will be okay." They can't say that because this team does not have the history to fall back on.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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No worries, I'm sure they'll go on another 1 game winning streak any day now.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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Ughh!! You're gonna be quoted on this one later on this summer. It's no fun right now, but take a breath before breaking out the poison pen... or keyboard in this instance. We are all frustrated right now, but no more than the 25 guys in the dugout. They will hit... count on it.
Posted by mustangbullitbri
I hope I'm wrong, but there are too many pieces that are broke and they can't be corrected now unless you dump guys (DiceK, Wakefield, Scutaro) that you can and bring up other pieces. Release Wakefield, put DiceK on the DL and do something with Scutaro.
The ONLY spark that could help this team would be to bring up someone with energy...Inglesias.
The rotation that the Red Sox have with Lackey and DiceK won't allow this team to put together any type of streak. They currently have 6, count them 6 pitchers on the team with ERA's over 12.
They have batters like Crawford and Ellsbury that are lost, and their catching position is quite possibly the worst in baseball.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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yea,2 and 9 to start in the al east gets you shot out.so much money put into this team and they lay eggs,one thing they need ti find a spot for lowrie.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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Team.
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Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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TO ADG...I LOVE YOUR POST...IT'S SO ACCURATE. A LOT OF GUYS AND GALS AGREE ALSO.. THERE IS BASICALLY TOO MUCH DEAD
WOOD ON THIS TEAM THAT HAS BEEN HANGING AROUND FOR
SEVERAL SEASONS AND IT IS NOW SINKING THE TEAM. SALTY
IS A TRIPLE A PLAYER. WHY MANAGEMENT LIKED HIM IS A REAL
ENIGMA. HE STINKS .FLAT OUT. VARITEK IS TOO OLD ALSO..
SO WE HAVE NO CATCHER...A KEY POSITION , AND NO BAT
THERE. SCUTARO, WAKE, DREW, CAMERON , DICE , LACKEY...
SHOULD ALL BE GONE. I LIKE JENKS AND ACEVES AND DOU-
BRONT. BUT WE JUST HAVE NO REAL POWER ON THIS TEAM,
AND ONCE WE FALL BEHIND, IT'S OVER. WE ARE BASICALLY A
THIRD PLACE TEAM...AND THAT'S BEING OPTIMISTIC !!
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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He's hitting .200 for $2M less a year.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
Put a fork in THEE-ZERO
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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I'm pretty much thinking the team will recover, and probably finish over .500, but this is certainly not a playoff caliber team, and this stretch right here will forever haunt them late in the season when they absolutely must make ground.
Once again my fears v lefties came to fruition as Tito had to go with righties over Ellsbury, Drew and Ortiz because of their failings v. lefties. It's a top heavy lefty lineup and one badly drawn up in the war room for Sox. Carl Crawford is doing exactly what we pretty knew he was capable of doing--underachieve. Right now, it's time to package a deal, one that should involve removal of a starting pitcher with David Ortiz and Marco Scutaro to get something back to jumpstart this squad. The team has no sense of urgency...sad
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
ADG, this is a great time to switch it up and root for a club that isn't a bunch of bums.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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Ughh!! You're gonna be quoted on this one later on this summer. It's no fun right now, but take a breath before breaking out the poison pen... or keyboard in this instance. We are all frustrated right now, but no more than the 25 guys in the dugout. They will hit... count on it.
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Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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Why trade Ortiz? He's been hitting.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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Who wants those guys, no one. We are stuck with them Drew is gone at the end of the season, so is Ortiz, and Varitek. Maybe they get more righthanded next year. We are not playing to our strengths and using the wall. Jason Werth was a better fit than Crawford was.
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I'm pretty much thinking the team will recover, and probably finish over .500, but this is certainly not a playoff caliber team, and this stretch right here will forever haunt them late in the season when they absolutely must make ground. Once again my fears v lefties came to fruition as Tito had to go with righties over Ellsbury, Drew and Ortiz because of their failings v. lefties. It's a top heavy lefty lineup and one badly drawn up in the war room for Sox. Carl Crawford is doing exactly what we pretty knew he was capable of doing--underachieve. Right now, it's time to package a deal, one that should involve removal of a starting pitcher with David Ortiz and Marco Scutaro to get something back to jumpstart this squad. The team has no sense of urgency...sad
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Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Put a Fork in this team : I hope I'm wrong, but there are too many pieces that are broke and they can't be corrected now unless you dump guys (DiceK, Wakefield, Scutaro) that you can and bring up other pieces. Release Wakefield, put DiceK on the DL and do something with Scutaro. The ONLY spark that could help this team would be to bring up someone with energy...Inglesias. The rotation that the Red Sox have with Lackey and DiceK won't allow this team to put together any type of streak. They currently have 6, count them 6 pitchers on the team with ERA's over 12. They have batters like Crawford and Ellsbury that are lost, and their catching position is quite possibly the worst in baseball.
Posted by ADG
Hmmm, interesting.... Okay first off didnt scutaro get the bases loaded double against the yankees to make the game 3-0 instead of 1-0? If he didn't get that hit the Bronx Bombers probably would've came back.... Second I have no clue who this inglesias guy is your talking about but we do have this star SS that will be ready in a year or two. His name is Jose Iglesia. And you are aware that out of those 6 pitchers on the team with 6 era+. One has 3.2 innings pitched, another has 1.1 innings pitched, and another one has 3.2 innings. OHH MANNN BIG DEAL!!! thats going to calm down over time... just calm down, take a deep breathe, and step back from the ledge because its going to be a long season. The season might have its up and downs but in the end we will be in the play off race.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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Theo needs to blow up this team and go on the run in his gorilla suit. Maybe he can still save his career and get a job in the Pirates front office.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
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I can't believe so many sox fans are giving up already
Re: Put a Fork in this team
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wow - eleven games in and were done?????
im not happy with musical chars lineups based on lefty-righty matchups...I want the starters to start big games against top pitchers (plenty of time to rest them against sub par lefties as the season heats up) but if the hitters are not hitting and the pitchers are putrid, it doesnt really matter who is doing what and where-
this is a team failure and I expect it to be turned around (if we can beat the yanks, we can beat anyone) by Mid May.
If not, then we may need a new manager...
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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How about bringing up Linares. Does anyone know how he's doing in triple A.The guy bats righty, doesn't he? Centerfielder has been a disater at the plate and nothing special in the field.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
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Great avatar pic, btw!
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
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If the sox start a run in which they go 23-10 (roughly .700 ball) that would put them at 25-19 with 118 games to play then to get to 95 wins we only need to play at .593 Clip the rest of the way. My point is Ted Williams didn’t get 4.06 hits per 10 at bats, sometimes he got 2 sometimes he got 7 but by the end of the year that was the accumulated total of a season of streaks and slumps. We are just starting off with the latter and I bet after we finally break out of this slump there will be another one down the road somewhere (hopefully not quite this bad).
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
The Colorado Rockies have made a habit of starting slow, 10-15 games below .500 at the break only to charge back and make the playoffs. People pay too much attention to numbers, tell me what side of an argument you want me to come down on and I'll give you numbers to support. No team ever came back from an 0-3 LCS deficit before the Sox did. They're the Sox, it will NEVER be easy, never accomplished without tearing our hearts out before giving us the ultimate prize.
Deep breaths, who really has Youk batting below .200 for the season? Crawford is pressing, he'll come around. Lowrie needs to replace Scutaro, he had some pop and hit for avg in the latter half of last year. A new pitching coach who needs to COACH Lackey that pitching inside is authorized. Everything he's thrown in 2 starts has been on the outer half of the zone. No answers for Dice K other than he's a failed experiment. Come in off the ledge, shut off the car and open the garage door, the Sox will be fine but it won't be a quick fix. They WILL hit and WILL pitch. We went 0-6 against the two teams with the best record in baseball, 2 of 3 from the evil ones took the sting out. One day at a time.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
Thanks for your gutsy analysis. You really stuck your neck out on this one for us.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
posted at 4/13/2011 3:34 PM EDT
Mazz makes a good point in his column today - regardless of how the Red Sox try to right this ship, there is little flexibility in terms of adding or subtracting pieces between now and the trade deadline. Ellsbury is really the only piece that will bring you back any kind of return.
The rest have:
- High contracts (Cameron, Dice-K, etc.)
- Little value based on skill/numbers (Scutaro, Salty, Wake, bullpen, etc.)
- Little value based on pending free agency (Papelbon, Drew, Ortiz)
- Here to stay (Pedroia, Youk, AGon, pitchers, etc.)
With immovable pieces, you'd have to DFA someone which only adds to the payroll and magnifies the problem.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
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Posted by YankeeBill
Thanks Bill! I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Re: Put a Fork in this team
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At least we have football to look forward too...oh wait a minute.
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Go Giants!
