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    Out of this list, who do you guys hate the most?

    1. Kim Jong Il
    2. John Lackey
    3. A Yankee fan
    4. Morning and evening rush hour



     
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    [QUOTE]Out of this list, who do you guys hate the most? 1. Kim Jong Il 2. John Lackey 3. A Yankee fan 4. Morning and evening rush hour
    Posted by Ice-Cream[/QUOTE]

    Ah, Kim Jong Il is a no brainer. An insane dictator that cares nothing for his people.
     
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    Well,.....after Kim Jong Il, I say it is Lackey. 

    At least in traffic, I can enjoy my large ice coffee from Dunkin Donuts. 
     
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    Gee I thought Lackey was the man of the year after his Interleague start last week?  What happened?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Put Lackey on Mentally Unable to Perform List : IF Buch stays healthy(but what if he can't),
     
    As Eddie Kasko once said, "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a helluva Christmas!" 

    Miller has done well but young,
     
    If Buch can't stay healthy, than it's this.

    http://youtu.be/hEFBsWb3Blc

    Then again, Buch is young too.


    and Wake is always hit or miss.
     
    That the way Wake be.  He's serviceable enough to avoid my uploading a youtube link for "Old and in the Way." 

    Lackey needs to go bye-bye even if it means paying his contract.

    Well, we're not directly paying it, so I don't think they'll abandon all hope quite yet.  Whether we like it or not, he'll get a few more tries this season.  It may cost them a few games in the meantime, but it won't sink the ship. 

    I suggest doing something else besides watching the games he pitches.  Maybe you should have somebody call you once he's removed from the game.  I might even take this advice myself. 

    The way he treats other team members is just awful, like his pitching. 

    Well, his body language on the field is not a good model for Little Leaguers, but I'm sure his teammates and fans would overlook and forgive some of this crap if he were winning. 
    Posted by antiqueman1[/QUOTE]
     
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    We have been patient with Lackey. 

    We have even been patient with Ben Affleck.  Ben made a few bad movies but he finally suceeded with "The Town".

    But for Lackey, he still stinks. 
     
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    Has Lackey blamed the hat yet, that is what I would do if I were him. Even the legendary Smokey Joe Wood would have come undone having to wear that hat for a day.
     
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    Lacing Talent Lackey is a bum who needs to out of the rotation. Pawtucket, trade, anything but a starter's job in Beantown.

    I never liked this guy, even when he was mediocre LA Angel. Combine his always being over-valued with a manager who can't seem to pull the trigger on a pitcher who's getting bombed in the first three innings . . . and you get second place to the Yankees.

    I'm tired of it. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Out of this list, who do you guys hate the most? 1. Kim Jong Il 2. John Lackey 3. A Yankee fan 4. Morning and evening rush hour
    Posted by Ice-Cream[/QUOTE]

    Let me think about this list before giving you an answer.

    1. While Kim Jong Il has not done anything to me personally, I'm sure I wouldn't wish good things for him and his minions if I were from North Korea and had some sense of the possibilities that existed outside of my country.  Yes, he's also a pain in the azz for any world citizen hoping for more stability in the world, but then again, there are other frightening mutterfuckers in this world that wield great power.  I just wish they didn't have nuclear bombs. 

    2.  John Lackey plays baseball.  I am dissatisfied with his performance this season as a Red Sox fan.  I dislike some of his gestures on the field, but that's hardly enough to hate him.  As far as I know, he has never been a burden in my personal life except to sometimes watch him pitch. 

    3.  A Yankee fan is a very vague choice.  Martin Luther King Jr. once said something about the content of one's character.  He may have been referring to race, but I'm going to apply these rules to fan affiliation as well.  In that light, I like zac, Jete, jesseyeric, nhsteven, and the casey character with the Doublemint twins in his avatar.  The Babe - not so much, and as far as that greatestnyyankees weenie is concerned, I need to show more compassion to the mentally challenged.

    4. As far as rush hour is concerned, that's sort of an apples to oranges kind of comparison as the above are people and this is an unpleasant situation.  Fortunately, my work situation is such that I get to avoid rush hour most of the time.  Still, when I have to deal with it, there is no one to get upset with except myself, and that may be a bit problematic.  I sometimes do get angry with other drivers, especially the bastards that cut me off, but I have to remember I may not actually hate them if I were to see them in another context.  Then again, like the rude drivers, I probably wouldn't like the Babe (poster Babe, that is) if I met him either, although you never know.

    After thoroughly weighing all the possible choices, if you put a gun to my head, I would have to answer Kim Jong Il.  Then again, I would you hate you more than Kim Jong Il if you were really putting a gun to my head.   
     
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    In Response to Re: Put Lackey on Mentally Unable to Perform List : Ouch, Ice-Cream ...    
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    I am sorry SinceYaz if I sounded too harsh. 

    I am just upset like everyone else here. 

    And Lackey has five years left on his contract. 
    No, no, my little freind.  I understand.  It is frustrating.

      I am hoping that his last game is more of what we can expect.  The Jays are a good hitting team and no mistakes can be made with them.

       I think he's bucking MRI/Tommy John talk because it IS an 18 month to 24 month ordeal.  I think he wants to here.  He has seen how well the Sox have manhandled his former team and knows a good thing when he sees it.

       Just, for some reason, he's not measuring up.  (How's that for the obvious?)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Put Lackey on Mentally Unable to Perform List : Be thankful that they're being nickled and dimed and not quartered and dollared like they were last year.  Every season, even some of the best teams have periods like this.  The Red Sox played very flat baseball midseason in 2004, and Trot Nixon, Bill Mueller, and Nomar were out of the lineup much of the time.  In 2007, Schilling was out for some time, and then later, some of the guys like Manny and Youk took it easy in September.  What's going on this season is fairly typical.  The difference may be that fans have some unrealistic expectations for them and expect dominance.    Right now, Lackey looks awful.  But thankfully, if Buch stays healthy, there's more than enough depth in the staff with Miller, Wakefield, and even Aceves as backup.  The bullpen also looks good, so with their lineup, they should string together enough wins.  They're not likely to abandon Lackey for the season quite yet, but the leash is getting very short. 
    Posted by Sheriff-Rojas[/QUOTE]

    Well said, indeed.
    Just had a thought ... Lackey was better under Farrell, is there a residual resentment against former "enemy" coach Young from A's??

     
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    I didnt have a problem with Tito trying to see if lackey could work through it without burning the whole BP.. But I, like everyone here, am OVER IT!! This one is ALL LACKEY..I cant blame Tito ,  he pulled him after only 2 1/3 innings..Give Wieland a spot start and DL Lackey again..As much as most of you and myself would like, Lackey is not going to be DFA'd..I didnt agree with the signing in the first place, but he IS on this team so I choose to cheer him on...But NO MORE!! He is a momentum killer..
     
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    Reading this thread, you'd swear it was about Charles Manson.
    Wow. Lots of anger here. I watch replays of games because I don't get emotionally involved the 2nd time around. Sure it's tough to take. There's no defending Lackey's year so far. But let me point out a few things. 

    Watching the replays, I look for things like form/command/velocity - the positives and the negatives. This talk of TJ surgery for Lackey is groundless. He threw 93 today and topped out at 94, which is a sign of a perfectly healthy elbow/arm/shoulder.

    The reason he got hammered is because he had no control of his breaking stuff, which is his bread & butter. Hitters were sitting dead-red, and at Fenway in the summer, that's a recipe for an early shower.

    Lackey doesn't have the weapons of a Lester (cutter) or Buch. Or the vast repitoire of Beckett. His early season woes stemmed from a bad elbow. Since coming back:
    5.6 IP  3 H  3 ER
    6 IP     6 H  4 ER
    8 IP     8 H  4 ER
    3.3 IP  4 H  5 ER
    7.6 IP  8 H  2 ER
    and today's debacle.

    The reality is that he's a pitcher who will beat mediocre/poor teams when he's on.
    He has little margin for error without his command, which is good more often than not. He's got far less pitching in Fenway park.

    He's no ace in this venue/division and never will be. But he's 3-3 since his return and a .500 season from him in the 2nd half isn't the end of the world.
    He's pitching under some trying circumstances and isn't imploding because he wants to. Nor does he want to bring out the rage of Boston fans. In other words, he didn't have poor command today on purpose. He threw some pitches on the black at 93 and was hit. The Toronto line-up is a far cry from the NL ones.
    Against lesser, maybe he is mediocre at best today.

    Now, by all means, carry on with your blood-stained noose. Logic never has any place in a lynch mob.
     
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    Not trying to lynch him harness..actually id like to think ive been quite understanding and even defending him (not that he needs it)..Its getting to be as frustrating as it was with Dice though..You never know which ones going to show up..Bottom line is Im pulling for him to figure it out for the Sox' sake..But something needs to be done..
     
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    Dice was more frustrating, IMO. But Dice could give you a real gem. Dice had more to fall back on.

    I wasn't singling you or individual out. Just the angry tone of the thread, which I think is a bit over-doing it. He mentioned his command (of his off-speed stuff) was poor and he couldn't make the adjustments. He's healthy and has a longer leash than you might think, given Buch's situation.

    I think instead of piling on more anger, fans should temper expectations and look at the positives. Throwing 93 means he's healthy. He looked good before this last outing. I'm willing to bet he'll look good again.
     
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    I believe he will perform better too..I just hope its on a more consisent basis..And if Buch has more wrong with that back than first thought, lackey will definitly have a longer leash due to lack of options. For the Sox' sake, Im praying he can pull it together on a consistent basis and at least give them quality starts...
     
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    I don't know about how consistent he'll be, Southpaw.
    I gotta believe his concentration isn't what it was after learning his wife has cancer.

    As I see it, Jenks/Wheeler have not been anything close to advertised, but Theo wisely signed low-cost depth. Lackey has taken much more heat than Jenks, thanks to Albers/Aceves. And if the team can continue to get good starts from Miller or perhaps an unknown, expectations from Lackey will become more realistic this year.

    I'm not as high on Miller as others are, but I expect several high-scoring games this summer, regardless. I hope we're on the right end of most of them:)
     
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    [QUOTE]Reading this thread, you'd swear it was about Charles Manson. Wow. Lots of anger here. I watch replays of games because I don't get emotionally involved the 2nd time around. Sure it's tough to take. There's no defending Lackey's year so far. But let me point out a few things.  Watching the replays, I look for things like form/command/velocity - the positives and the negatives. This talk of TJ surgery for Lackey is groundless. He threw 93 today and topped out at 94, which is a sign of a perfectly healthy elbow/arm/shoulder. The reason he got hammered is because he had no control of his breaking stuff, which is his bread & butter. Hitters were sitting dead-red, and at Fenway in the summer, that's a recipe for an early shower. Lackey doesn't have the weapons of a Lester (cutter) or Buch. Or the vast repitoire of Beckett. His easily season woes stemmed from a bad elbow. Since coming back: 5.6 IP  3 H  3 ER 6 IP     6 H  4 ER 8 IP     8 H  4 ER 3.3 IP  4 H  5 ER 7.6 IP  8 H  2 ER and today's debacle. The reality is that he's a pitcher who will beat mediocre/poor teams when he's on. He has little margin for error without his command, which is good more often than not. He's got far less pitching in Fenway park. He's no ace in this venue/division and never will be. But he's 3-3 since his return and a .500 season from him in the 2nd half isn't the end of the world. He's pitching under some trying circumstances and isn't imploding because he wants to. Nor does he want to bring out the rage of Boston fans. In other words, he didn't have poor command today on purpose. He threw some pitches on the black at 93 and was hit. The Toronto line-up is a far cry from the NL ones. Against lesser, maybe he is mediocre at best today. Now, by all means, carry on with your blood -stained noose. Logic never has any place in a lynch mob.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    i feel bad for the guy. its obvious he feels bad and doesnt want to let the team down. any othe rpticher where money isnt concerned will for the ptichers own sake, help him get righ tbefore pitching continually bad. he is just back from dl. he did sya his elbow issue isnt going away. i think they just continue with cortisone and he bears through it. i dont think hes a bad guy. i wish we had an option to send him down till he gets more reliable control. but that doenst look like an opption unfortunately for him, th eteam and rs nation.

    if we're 500 when he pitches rest of the season, i guess we'll take that.
    hope buch actually sees a good chiropractor, A.R.T. (active release therapy) person and physical therapist.  md's and backs dont mix.

    peace
     
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    Not sure a chiropractor can help his back strain. I've seen plenty of them and I've found they can help when it's nerve entrapment. Buch is gonna see a back specialist in NC. Obviously, nothing is showing up in the MRI's, which is good.

    On Lackey, I didn't hear anything about him saying it was his elbow. If it was, he wouldn't be throwing 93-94 MPH. Could simply be a minor mechanical tweak.
     
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    [QUOTE]Not sure a chiropractor can help his back strain. I've seen plenty of them and I've found they can help when it's nerve entrapment. Buch is gonna see a back specialist in NC. Obviously, nothing is showing up in the MRI's, which is good. On Lackey, I didn't hear anything about him saying it was his elbow. If it was, he wouldn't be throwing 93-94 MPH. Could simply be a minor mechanical tweak.
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    I remember an episode of Underdog where Underdog couldn't perform his Superhero duties due to a sharp and severe pain in his back.  The villains ran amok as Underdog was bedridden until it was discovered that the villain had placed a sword down his cape, which is why he felt a sharp pain when he bent over. 

    While at an early age I was willing to suspend disbelief regarding a flying dog who spoke like Wally Cox from Hollywood Squares, I wasn't buying the sword bit.  It seemed like major stupidity from Underdog and gross negligence on the part of the doctors.
     
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    Perhaps if Wally Cox's character in MR. TERRIFIC were to treat Clay, he might just make a buch...
     
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    [QUOTE]Perhaps if Wally Cox's character in MR. TERRIFIC were to treat Clay, he might just make a buch...
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    I think I've solved the crime.  The Evil Babe put a sword down Buch's back while down in Spring Training in Florida.  He was assisted by his dim-witted sidekick, greatestnyyankees. 
     
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    [QUOTE]craze, like i said, the millions of Sox Nation could recognize a guy who was toast at least by 4-0....I mean, the hits were solid shots, line drives to right, center, left, a homer, foul ball scorched just foul for a foul HR....Tito just obviously plays way too much into the have to nuture Lackey's ego....btw, Wheeler two shutout innings, but the what the hell do we know as fans...Manager knows best...Marathon, not a Sprint.
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    this is one of the rare times i'm going to defend TITO.
    the blame lies squarely with 'boy genius.' another of many blunders that john henry appears to ignore. perhaps he is theo's adopted father; why else would that inept GM not be FIRED!
    the CRAWFORD signing will also turn out as a fiasco.

    please fire theo!
     
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    [QUOTE]I don't know about how consistent he'll be, Southpaw . I gotta believe his concentration isn't what it was after learning his wife has cancer. As I see it, Jenks/Wheeler have not been anything close to advertised, but Theo wisely signed low-cost depth. Lackey has taken much more heat than Jenks, thanks to Albers/Aceves. And if the team can continue to get good starts from Miller or perhaps an unknown, expectations from Lackey will become more realistic this year. I'm not as high on Miller as others are, but I expect several high-scoring games this summer, regardless. I hope we're on the right end of most of them:)
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    Thats true..Its gotta be tough with whats going on in his private life..You have to understand that, but at the same time if its affecting the team... Wheeler hasnt been pretty effective since coming off the DL and jenks just hasnt pitched enough for me to say either way..I can say when jenks has pitched, hes hot and cold..No consisency there either..Your right about miller..Still need to see more..But at least hes headed in the right direction..heres hoping that Buchholz' back isnt anything serious..
     
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    Seeing his remorse and acocuntability, FINALLY, in the post game conference has finally tempered my frustration. THat's all I was looking for, personally. It was unbearable to watch him get racked, and talk about good stuff and bad luck. There was none of that last night. As for the injury issue he siad "I've been pitching for ten years, there's something with everyone at that point, but I'm not using that as an excuse. I'm healthy enough to pitch."

    Obviously I wish he was in the last year of his contract, but he's not. At least he's being acocuntable now. If he could cut the on mound displays of frustration with his teammates that would be appreciated, but I see no point in being so angry about it. Look around baseball, there are plenty of SP deals as bad, or worse than Lackey. Everyone needs to remember that is the risk, and as Sox fans, we're fortunate to take a chance like that, miss horribly, and still have money to field the best team out there.

    And to take it one step further...his wife was diagnosed with cancer this winter. To not be sympathetic to that is very heartless. Anyone, in any profession would see their productivity suffer when dealing with a loved one gettign diagnosed with cancer. You don't need to cheer him, but time to suspend some of the rampant booing.
     
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