Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars' comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    But we would be able to get something for some/most/all of them.

    We may have to pay part of their salaries in some cases.




    Possibly.  But in other cases we might get something back.....seems reasonable to me that they could net positively if necessary.

    In any case, these are simply not big risks in the greater scheme of things i.e. no draft pick cost, rich team, little else to spend our money on....and by July or so these are all 0.3 - 2.3 year contracts, right?:

    • Drew: 1
    • Ross: 2
    • Gomes: 2
    • Dempster: 2
    • Victorino: 3
    • (Napoli): 3

     

     



    There's also a chance none of these guys will be wanted in July of 2013 or beyond, especially at these salaries.



    However every one has been wanted by some team or teams at the trade deadline in the past fatso years. It would not surprise me to see Shane, Dempster, Ross, and Drew back in the NL if the RS care out of it regardless of their stats. Of course the better the numbers the more they get.

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    But we would be able to get something for some/most/all of them.

    We may have to pay part of their salaries in some cases.




    Possibly.  But in other cases we might get something back.....seems reasonable to me that they could net positively if necessary.

    In any case, these are simply not big risks in the greater scheme of things i.e. no draft pick cost, rich team, little else to spend our money on....and by July or so these are all 0.3 - 2.3 year contracts, right?:

    • Drew: 1
    • Ross: 2
    • Gomes: 2
    • Dempster: 2
    • Victorino: 3
    • (Napoli): 3

     

     




    The two year contracts are not too unreasonable, but Shane Victorino for three years? Bad idea.

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:

    When 150 million a year is spent on Big Labor, the Red Sox should be competetive immediately or heads should have already rolled.




    This is exactly right.  How in the world can some of you think that a 150 million dollar payroll , while essentially writing off this season and " building for the future " ,  is a good way to operate ?  For 150 million , we should be able to expect a contending team.  Anything less is not acceptable.  Signing mediocre veterans,  with the hope that we can unload them at the trade deadline is absurd. Why sign them to begin with ? It seems to me that some of you will go to any lengths to defend anything that Ben Cherington does. What has he accomplished to deserve this loyalty ?  

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

     Signing mediocre veterans,  with the hope that we can unload them at the trade deadline is absurd.

     

    The worst part about Ben's plan is that this is the best part of it!

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    this team is going nowhere   .500 would be a positive development in 2013

    this forum is getting sillier everyday with all this nonsense about draft picks, salaries, and contracts...

    get real please

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    But we would be able to get something for some/most/all of them.

    We may have to pay part of their salaries in some cases.




    Not really a big deal.

     

    Say the Sox send Ryan Dempster plus $8mill somewhere for a reasonably decent prospect? Drafting a prospect sometimes requires a $2-5mill signing bonus anyway.  It's only slightly cheaperad you get a player with actual professional experience..

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    In response to georom4's comment:

    this team is going nowhere   .500 would be a positive development in 2013

    this forum is getting sillier everyday with all this nonsense about draft picks, salaries, and contracts...

    get real please



    Yeah, what in the heck is that kind of stuff doing on a baseball forum anyway?

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    In response to georom4's comment:

    this team is going nowhere   .500 would be a positive development in 2013

    this forum is getting sillier everyday with all this nonsense about draft picks, salaries, and contracts...

    get real please




    Considering things like that does make it more real.  Saying things like "Sgin all the best free agents, and get the best available guys to fill gaps is unrealistic and shows less comprehesion of the realities here.  Oh, and it shows how few lessons were learned from 2011.

     

    Not to mention, none of what we say matters anyway.  Quit acting like this forum is holding anything back or has any influence on the actual team...

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    To tick off some of our proud gang here, Theo is recorded in liking the prospects we got from LAD as well as amazed that Ben could unload the high salary cost ...

      To point toward why the Cubs wanted Theo in the first place, a good portion of what he had to offer, whether some of our fabulous forum members agree or not, is building a championship level team through prospects.

     

     
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    Re: Quickly Competitive ...or else a fire sale/re-rebuild?

    In response to SinceYaz's comment:

    To tick off some of our proud gang here, Theo is recorded in liking the prospects we got from LAD as well as amazed that Ben could unload the high salary cost ...

      To point toward why the Cubs wanted Theo in the first place, a good portion of what he had to offer, whether some of our fabulous forum members agree or not, is building a championship level team through prospects.

     



    That was part of his plan was, but he never really won a ring with his own prospects significantly contributing.

     
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