Ranaudo lone Red Sox prospect on BA list

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    Pitcher Anthony Ranaudo was the only Red Sox representative on Baseball America's midseason list of Top 50 prospects:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/07/midseason-top-50-prospects-list/
     
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    Out of 30 teams. That means on average a team would have 50/30 or 1.67 prospects.
     
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    Maybe ESPN could turn this prospect list into another hour of television programming just like they market those football combines for those sports junkies that can never get enough. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Pitcher Anthony Ranaudo was the only Red Sox representative on Baseball America 's midseason list of Top 50 prospects: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/07/midseason-top-50-prospects-list/
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    Just another list hill, we know who our good prospects are and thats what counts.  Lavarnway should be on the list if anyone but I guess a 337 BA and 1,011 OPS at the AAA doesn't mean much to the experts :)
     
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    Actually this list shows an improvement...ont eh preseason Top 100 list our best prospect was #52 = Jose Iglesias and Ranaudo was #67. Last years Midseason top 50...Only casey Kelly was on the list....so maybe we should worry about prospect lists and just worry about getting the best players we can on the ML roster.
     
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    [QUOTE]Pitcher Anthony Ranaudo was the only Red Sox representative on Baseball America 's midseason list of Top 50 prospects: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/07/midseason-top-50-prospects-list/
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    And your point? The Red Sox traded away two guys (Rizzo and Kelly) who would probably be on the list for Andrian Gonzalez.  They unloaded their two top prospects for the American League first half MVP. I'd be glad to only have one guy on the list.

    Also, what does that list mean? Let's see how Weiland does, with Lavarnway and Middlebrooks (tearing up Eastern League), they are probably not far off the top 50. Middlebrooks actually ranked 5th on their weekly hot sheet.

    Team: Double-A Portland (Eastern)
    Age: 22
    Why He's Here: .469/.500/.656 (15-for-32), 8 R, 3 2B, 1 HR, 9 RBIs, 2 BB, 7 SO
    The Scoop: Middlebrooks has shown flashes of dominance in the past, but he has never been able to put it all together over the course of a full season. We're still at the halfway point, but he has been outstanding so far, hitting .322/.366/.508 overall this season in Double-A. The Red Sox wouldn't mind if he drew more walks, but he has the potential to hit for average and power. And while most players with his size (6-foot-4, 200 pounds) end up at first base or a corner outfield spot, Middlebrooks is athletic and one of the better defensive third basemen in the minors.
     
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    I'm delighted that Ranaudo has received the attention.

    But we certainly entertain ourselves by talking about any number of prospects with fair regularity here.

    They may not be recognized as top prospects elsewhere, but we can see a future for them here.
     
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    This is why I think BA is in the Yankees' pocket.  Banuelos last year posts a 2.23 ERA and 1.173 WHIP at age 19.  Very good numbers - he makes the pre-season list at # 41.  Now, at age 20 he has a 3.28 ERA with a 1.473 WHIP at AA - most would consider this a regression, right?  So how does he go from #41 before the season starts to #13 mid-season?

    And you remember 25-year old Andrew Brackman, #78 on the pre-season list?  He has a 7.96 ERA at scraton-wilkes barre.

    FWIW, scouting book has Reddick & Iglesias in the top 50.

     
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      It would be interesting to compare the productivity of the Red Sox farm system vs, say, the Seattle Mariners.  I don't get to watch the Mariners alot but hill55 seems to be familiar with them.  One would expect the M's to compare well, as they sometimes draft near the top.
      How does (or has) the Mariners roster reflect homegrown talent produced during the last 10 years in comparison to the Red Sox?  Who are the counterparts to Kevin Youkilis, Dustin Pedroia, Jacoby Ellsbury, Jon Lester, Clay Buccholz, Daniel Bard and Jonathan Papelbon?  Who are the counterparts to major players acquired by trading talent, such as Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez? Players not on the current team can be eligible if they are a product of the farm systems from the last ten years.  Red Sox players Mike Lowell and Victor Martinez received in trade for farm product would be good examples.
      We shouldn't  get into speculative players that have done little yet but might produce in the future ie, Josh Reddick, Ryan Kalish, Felix Doubrount etc.  We'll have to wait for them to see what their contributions might be.  Players in the minors haven't made a contribution yet ie,
    Lavarnway, Iglesias, Ranaudo etc. 
      What has the productivity of the Seattle Mariners system over the last 10 years provided for the team?
     
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    [QUOTE]  It would be interesting to compare the productivity of the Red Sox farm system vs, say, the Seattle Mariners.  I don't get to watch the Mariners alot but hill55 seems to be familiar with them.  One would expect the M's to compare well, as they sometimes draft near the top.   How does (or has) the Mariners roster reflect homegrown talent produced during the last 10 years in comparison to the Red Sox?  Who are the counterparts to Kevin Youkilis, Dustin Pedroia, Jacoby Ellsbury, Jon Lester, Clay Buccholz, Daniel Bard and Jonathan Papelbon?  Who are the counterparts to major players acquired by trading talent, such as Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez? Players not on the current team can be eligible if they are a product of the farm systems from the last ten years.  Red Sox players Mike Lowell and Victor Martinez received in trade for farm product would be good examples.   We shouldn't  get into speculative players that have done little yet but might produce in the future ie, Josh Reddick, Ryan Kalish, Felix Doubrount etc.  We'll have to wait for them to see what their contributions might be.  Players in the minors haven't made a contribution yet ie, Lavarnway, Iglesias, Ranaudo etc.    What has the productivity of the Seattle Mariners system over the last 10 years provided for the team?
    Posted by vtfanofcs[/QUOTE]
    I'll give it a try.

    This year's stellar starting rotation includes three products of the Mariner farm system: reigning Cy Young Award winner Felix Hernandez, Michael Pineda and Doug Fister. Jason Vargas was acquired in a three-team, 13-player trade in which former Seattle signee J.J. Putz was the Mariners' key contribution (along with Luis Valbuena, another product of the Seattle farm). Erik Bedard was acquired in February 2008 when the Mariners emptied the farm system in a trade highlighted by Adam Jones and Chris Tillman.

    The Mariners starting lineup last night included recent call-ups Dustin Ackley, Carlos Peguero and Kyle Seager. Shortstop Brendan Ryan (the top-rated UZR shortstop in 2010) was acquired in a trade of Maikel Cleto, who was acquired in the trade of Putz. Firstbaseman Justin Smoak was acquired in the trade of Cliff Lee, who was acquired in a trade of Seattle farm products J.C. Ramirez, Phillippe Aumont and Tyson Gillies.

    Centerfielder Franklin Gutierrez was another acquisition in the Putz trade.

    Of course, Ichiro Suzuki was a Seattle signee.

    All Star closer Brandon League was acquired in the trade of Brandon Morrow, the Mariners' selection with the No. 5 pick in the 2006 draft. Lefty specialist Aaron Laffey was acquired in a trade of Matt Lawson, who came over in the Cliff Lee trade.

    Catcher Miguel Olivo was a rare multiyear free agent agent and Chone Figgins has been a huge disappointment after signing with the Mariners in December 2009.

    The previous general manager squandered away key products of the Seattle farm system: Rafael Soriano was traded for Horacio Ramirez, Shin-Soo Choo for Ben Broussard and Asdrubal Cabrera for Eduardo Perez. Collectively, those three trades were worse than the trade of Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb.

    Last year's All Star Game had three former Seattle international signees: David Ortiz, Rafael Soriano and Ichiro Suzuki and two others (Shin-Soo Choo and Felix Hernandez) who probably deserved selections.

    I hope that helps.
     
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    The Mariners also have only 1 top 50.  Taijuan Walker at #38, 1 behind Ranaudo.  Yankees, Rays, and Jays all have 3.  The Rangers have 4.
     
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    Who cares who has the best "prospects"  Doesn't mean anything if they don't perform at the professional level.  If you look at the Red Sox lineup and all the homegrown talent there you can see how good they are at developing professional baseball players
     
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    [QUOTE]The Mariners also have only 1 top 50.  Taijuan Walker at #38, 1 behind Ranaudo.  Yankees, Rays, and Jays all have 3.  The Rangers have 4.
    Posted by joeyama99[/QUOTE]
    The Mariners graduated Dustin Ackley (#12) and Michael Pineda (#16) from Baseball America's preseason prospect list while the Red Sox graduated no one.
     
    Taijuan Walker is 18 years old while Anthony Ranaudo is 21 years old. Seattle's counterpart to Ranaudo is his former SEC rival, lefthander James Paxton, who was recently promoted from Single A to Double A after striking out 80 in 56 innings. Paxton, who remains unranked, was the 37th pick of the 2009 draft* while Ranaudo was the 39th pick of the 2010 draft.

    The Red Sox and Mariners had back-to-back shortstops in Baseball American's preseason rankings -- 21-year-old Jose Iglesias at No. 52 and 20-year-old Nick Franklin at No. 53 -- but neither moved up into the midseason Top 50 despite graduations from the preseason list.

    The Mariners have a strong history of international scouting and signing, but had lagged in the domestic draft. Current Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik, whose drafts built the Milwaukee Brewers into contenders, has shored up the Seattle drafts. As director of player personnel in Milwaukee, Zduriencik became the only non-general manager to be named Baseball America's executive of the year.

    * the Mariners took Paxton in the fourth round of the 2010 draft after the Blue Jays failed to sign him following the 2009 draft.
     
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    [QUOTE]Ranaudo went 5.2 innings last night, 3 runs 3 hits walked 2  struckout 3. For Single A Salem  Losing pitcher.
    Posted by bobbysu[/QUOTE]

    He's facing the most advanced pitching he ever has had to face.  He's had a couple subpar starts but has also had VERY little run support. He still looks very good with a ton of talent...Ranaudo is the real deal. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ranaudo lone Red Sox prospect on BA list : The Mariners graduated Dustin Ackley (#12) and Michael Pineda (#16) from Baseball America's preseason prospect list while the Red Sox graduated no one.   Taijuan Walker is 18 years old while Anthony Ranaudo is 21 years old. Seattle's counterpart to Ranaudo is his former SEC rival, lefthander James Paxton, who was recently promoted from Single A to Double A after striking out 80 in 56 innings. Paxton, who remains unranked, was the 37th pick of the 2009 draft* while Ranaudo was the 39th pick of the 2010 draft. The Red Sox and Mariners had back-to-back shortstops in Baseball American 's preseason rankings -- 21-year-old Jose Iglesias at No. 52 and 20-year-old Nick Franklin at No. 53 -- but neither moved up into the midseason Top 50 despite graduations from the preseason list. The Mariners have a strong history of international scouting and signing, but had lagged in the domestic draft. Current Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik, whose drafts built the Milwaukee Brewers into contenders, has shored up the Seattle drafts. As director of player personnel in Milwaukee, Zduriencik became the only non-general manager to be named Baseball America's executive of the year. * the Mariners took Paxton in the fourth round of the 2010 draft after the Blue Jays failed to sign him following the 2009 draft.
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]


    The Sox "transferred" Rizzo and Kelley to the Padres for AGON.  Rizzo has graduated and Kelley will too eventually.  Iglesias still has rookie status, but has contributed to the major league club.  He's still considered one of the top SS prospects in the game despite his recent hitting woes.

    I'm impressed with Pineda and Ackley.  But Pineda will be shut down in August and Ackley is a below average 2nd baseman, having been moved from 1b/OF.  He's a man without a position actually.  The Mariner's have him hitting in the #3 slot.  Pretty bold, but he has good plate discipline and who else do the Mariners have to hit there? Maybe Smoak.

    Ranaudo is in his first year of pro ball and doing well in High A.  Walker is in his 2nd year and also doing well.  He'll be 19 next month.
     
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    [QUOTE]Pitcher Anthony Ranaudo was the only Red Sox representative on Baseball America 's midseason list of Top 50 prospects: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/07/midseason-top-50-prospects-list/
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    I find it curious that Kelly was excluded (has his stock fallen that far?) One has to wonder where Rizzo would have been rated if not for being promoted. Because in the context of "red sox prospects" both while the property of the Padres today, had they not been traded would have been "sox prospects".
     
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    Hill enjoys starting threads where he hopes to disturb Red Sox fans. The Mariners forum just doesn't satisfy his desires.
     
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    [QUOTE]Hill enjoys starting threads where he hopes to disturb Red Sox fans. The Mariners forum just doesn't satisfy his desires.

    Posted by Your-Echo[/QUOTE]

    And all you do is post complaining about other posters.

    Why not try talking baseball in a baseball forum?

     
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    [QUOTE]Hill enjoys starting threads where he hopes to disturb Red Sox fans. The Mariners forum just doesn't satisfy his desires.
    Posted by Your-Echo[/QUOTE]
    I don't understand why this thread would disturb Red Sox fans.

    For what it's worth, on a Seattle forum I started a similar thread reporting that the Mariners had only one prospect on Baseball America's midseason Top 50 list. My intent was to inform, not disturb.

    Best regards.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ranaudo lone Red Sox prospect on BA list : I don't understand why this thread would disturb Red Sox fans. For what it's worth, on a Seattle forum I started a similar thread reporting that the Mariners had only one prospect on Baseball America 's midseason Top 50 list. My intent was to inform, not disturb. Best regards.

    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    That's because pike...aka kim....doesn't want to be informed. Just wants to complain about other posters.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ranaudo lone Red Sox prospect on BA list :I'm impressed with Pineda and Ackley.  But Pineda will be shut down in August and Ackley is a below average 2nd baseman, having been moved from 1b/OF.  He's a man without a position actually.  The Mariner's have him hitting in the #3 slot.  Pretty bold, but he has good plate discipline and who else do the Mariners have to hit there? Maybe Smoak.
    Posted by joeyama99[/QUOTE]
    Dustin Ackley's defense at second base has impressed since his call-up on June 17. Although the sample is small, Ackley's UZR/150 is 14.4:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10099&position=2B
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ranaudo lone Red Sox prospect on BA list : I'll give it a try. This year's stellar starting rotation includes three products of the Mariner farm system: reigning Cy Young Award winner Felix Hernandez, Michael Pineda and Doug Fister. Jason Vargas was acquired in a three-team, 13-player trade in which former Seattle signee J.J. Putz was the Mariners' key contribution (along with Luis Valbuena, another product of the Seattle farm). Erik Bedard was acquired in February 2008 when the Mariners emptied the farm system in a trade highlighted by Adam Jones and Chris Tillman. The Mariners starting lineup last night included recent call-ups Dustin Ackley, Carlos Peguero and Kyle Seager. Shortstop Brendan Ryan (the top-rated UZR shortstop in 2010) was acquired in a trade of Maikel Cleto, who was acquired in the trade of Putz. Firstbaseman Justin Smoak was acquired in the trade of Cliff Lee, who was acquired in a trade of Seattle farm products J.C. Ramirez, Phillippe Aumont and Tyson Gillies. Centerfielder Franklin Gutierrez was another acquisition in the Putz trade. Of course, Ichiro Suzuki was a Seattle signee. All Star closer Brandon League was acquired in the trade of Brandon Morrow, the Mariners' selection with the No. 5 pick in the 2006 draft. Lefty specialist Aaron Laffey was acquired in a trade of Matt Lawson, who came over in the Cliff Lee trade. Catcher Miguel Olivo was a rare multiyear free agent agent and Chone Figgins has been a huge disappointment after signing with the Mariners in December 2009. The previous general manager squandered away key products of the Seattle farm system: Rafael Soriano was traded for Horacio Ramirez, Shin-Soo Choo for Ben Broussard and Asdrubal Cabrera for Eduardo Perez. Collectively, those three trades were worse than the trade of Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb. Last year's All Star Game had three former Seattle international signees: David Ortiz, Rafael Soriano and Ichiro Suzuki and two others (Shin-Soo Choo and Felix Hernandez) who probably deserved selections. I hope that helps.
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]
      I have checked into the Mariners history to see which players over the last 10 years have made major contributions.  Players from the farm and players received in trade for farm product count.  I mentioned in my first post that recent call-ups with little contribution yet don't count.  As I mentioned, I would not count Ryan Kalish or Felix Doubrount for example.
      Pineda has done well and shows alot of promise but he has contributed only 17 starts.  Ackley has 61AB's, he doesn't count. Peguero has 137 career AB's and a .190 avg, he doesn't count. Seagar has 6 career AB's, he doesn't count.  Justin Smoak is pretty borderline with 402 Mariner AB's and .236 avg and .745 OPS.  Including his Ranger contribution would still leave him with 60 less plate appearances than Jed Lowrie, whom I did not count.  Lowrie OPS is actually higher than Smoak's both over his Mariner career and MLB career.
      Seattle's Productivity through callups or trades of minor leaguers are Felix Hernandez, Erik Bedard, Doug Fister, Jason Vargas, JJ Putz, Franklin Gutierrez, Brandon League(Morrow also contributed before being sent to Toronto).  Rafael Soriano pitched about two seasons worth of games over a 5 year period before being traded.  Aaron Laffey has been with the team for a bit. (The Red Sox traded minor league talent for Adam Laroched who was quickly traded for Casey Kotchman whom the team used then traded for a season of Bill Hall.
     Brendan Ryan is a no hit good glove shortstop who could be negated by the Red Sox acquiring Alex Gonzalez for minor league talent. I didn't throw in Saltalamacchia either.
       Seattle has had more room for young players to get in the big leagues than than the Red Sox have.
      Vargas and Fister are undistinguished.
    The jewel of the Mariners system over the last ten years are:

    Felix Hernandez
    Erik Bedard (trade)(15-13 in 2 and a half years as an M)
    JJ Putz
    Franklin Gutierrez (from JJ Putz trade) .686 OPS as a Mariner and a Gold Glove
         (Gutierrez is kind of a continuation of Putz making a 9 year Mariner)
    Brandon League (from Brandon Morrow trade)
    Brandon Morrow (with League counts as one player in reality)
    Rafael Soriano (for about 2 years worth of play
      Mariners had Cliff Lee for the first half of last years sinking ship, for what its worth
    Jose Lopez( if you want to count him and his 7 year Mariner OBP of .297)

     I would say Boston's system has produced more
     Jacoby Ellsbury (AllStar  .294 career 164 steals)
     Dustin Pedoia (3 time All Star, MVP, Gold Glove, Rookie of the Year
     Kevin Youkilis (3 time All Star, Gold Glove .890 career OPS
     Daniel Bard (3 years 2.50 ERA WHIPS of 1.277, 1.004 and .816)
     Jon Lester (All Star 71-29 3.52 ERA
     Clay Buccholz (AllStar 35-24 3.64 ERA )
     Jonathan Papelbon (All Star 207 saves 2.39 ERA

     Adrian Gonzalez ( acquired for farm talent)
     Josh Beckett (acquired for farm talent)
     Mike Lowell (acquired for farm talent)
     Curt Schilling (acquired for farm talent)
     Victor Martinez(acquired for Justin Masterson , who helped Boston, and other minor leaguers
      All 5 of these players were named All Stars during their Red Sox tenure.

     I think Boston's  has done far more with its homegrown product over the last 10 years. 10 of the 11 players have been deserving All Stars as Red Sox

    PS I look forward to watching Pineda next time I get a chance
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: I think Boston's  has done far more with its homegrown product over the last 10 years.
    Posted by vtfanofcs[/QUOTE]
    No argument from me ... I've never contended otherwise.
     
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