Re: Ranaudo lone Red Sox prospect on BA list
posted at 7/9/2011 2:19 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Ranaudo lone Red Sox prospect on BA list
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ranaudo lone Red Sox prospect on BA list : I'll give it a try. This year's stellar starting rotation includes three products of the Mariner farm system: reigning Cy Young Award winner Felix Hernandez, Michael Pineda and Doug Fister. Jason Vargas was acquired in a three-team, 13-player trade in which former Seattle signee J.J. Putz was the Mariners' key contribution (along with Luis Valbuena, another product of the Seattle farm). Erik Bedard was acquired in February 2008 when the Mariners emptied the farm system in a trade highlighted by Adam Jones and Chris Tillman. The Mariners starting lineup last night included recent call-ups Dustin Ackley, Carlos Peguero and Kyle Seager. Shortstop Brendan Ryan (the top-rated UZR shortstop in 2010) was acquired in a trade of Maikel Cleto, who was acquired in the trade of Putz. Firstbaseman Justin Smoak was acquired in the trade of Cliff Lee, who was acquired in a trade of Seattle farm products J.C. Ramirez, Phillippe Aumont and Tyson Gillies. Centerfielder Franklin Gutierrez was another acquisition in the Putz trade. Of course, Ichiro Suzuki was a Seattle signee. All Star closer Brandon League was acquired in the trade of Brandon Morrow, the Mariners' selection with the No. 5 pick in the 2006 draft. Lefty specialist Aaron Laffey was acquired in a trade of Matt Lawson, who came over in the Cliff Lee trade. Catcher Miguel Olivo was a rare multiyear free agent agent and Chone Figgins has been a huge disappointment after signing with the Mariners in December 2009. The previous general manager squandered away key products of the Seattle farm system: Rafael Soriano was traded for Horacio Ramirez, Shin-Soo Choo for Ben Broussard and Asdrubal Cabrera for Eduardo Perez. Collectively, those three trades were worse than the trade of Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb. Last year's All Star Game had three former Seattle international signees: David Ortiz, Rafael Soriano and Ichiro Suzuki and two others (Shin-Soo Choo and Felix Hernandez) who probably deserved selections. I hope that helps.
Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]
I have checked into the Mariners history to see which players over the last 10 years have made major contributions. Players from the farm and players received in trade for farm product count. I mentioned in my first post that recent call-ups with little contribution yet don't count. As I mentioned, I would not count Ryan Kalish or Felix Doubrount for example.
Pineda has done well and shows alot of promise but he has contributed only 17 starts. Ackley has 61AB's, he doesn't count. Peguero has 137 career AB's and a .190 avg, he doesn't count. Seagar has 6 career AB's, he doesn't count. Justin Smoak is pretty borderline with 402 Mariner AB's and .236 avg and .745 OPS. Including his Ranger contribution would still leave him with 60 less plate appearances than Jed Lowrie, whom I did not count. Lowrie OPS is actually higher than Smoak's both over his Mariner career and MLB career.
Seattle's Productivity through callups or trades of minor leaguers are Felix Hernandez, Erik Bedard, Doug Fister, Jason Vargas, JJ Putz, Franklin Gutierrez, Brandon League(Morrow also contributed before being sent to Toronto). Rafael Soriano pitched about two seasons worth of games over a 5 year period before being traded. Aaron Laffey has been with the team for a bit. (The Red Sox traded minor league talent for Adam Laroched who was quickly traded for Casey Kotchman whom the team used then traded for a season of Bill Hall.
Brendan Ryan is a no hit good glove shortstop who could be negated by the Red Sox acquiring Alex Gonzalez for minor league talent. I didn't throw in Saltalamacchia either.
Seattle has had more room for young players to get in the big leagues than than the Red Sox have.
Vargas and Fister are undistinguished.
The jewel of the Mariners system over the last ten years are:
Erik Bedard (trade)(15-13 in 2 and a half years as an M)
Franklin Gutierrez (from JJ Putz trade) .686 OPS as a Mariner and a Gold Glove
(Gutierrez is kind of a continuation of Putz making a 9 year Mariner)
Brandon League (from Brandon Morrow trade)
Brandon Morrow (with League counts as one player in reality)
Rafael Soriano (for about 2 years worth of play
Mariners had Cliff Lee for the first half of last years sinking ship, for what its worth
Jose Lopez( if you want to count him and his 7 year Mariner OBP of .297)
I would say Boston's system has produced more
Jacoby Ellsbury (AllStar .294 career 164 steals)
Dustin Pedoia (3 time All Star, MVP, Gold Glove, Rookie of the Year
Kevin Youkilis (3 time All Star, Gold Glove .890 career OPS
Daniel Bard (3 years 2.50 ERA WHIPS of 1.277, 1.004 and .816)
Jon Lester (All Star 71-29 3.52 ERA
Clay Buccholz (AllStar 35-24 3.64 ERA )
Jonathan Papelbon (All Star 207 saves 2.39 ERA
Adrian Gonzalez ( acquired for farm talent)
Josh Beckett (acquired for farm talent)
Mike Lowell (acquired for farm talent)
Curt Schilling (acquired for farm talent)
Victor Martinez(acquired for Justin Masterson , who helped Boston, and other minor leaguers
All 5 of these players were named All Stars during their Red Sox tenure.
I think Boston's has done far more with its homegrown product over the last 10 years. 10 of the 11 players have been deserving All Stars as Red Sox
PS I look forward to watching Pineda next time I get a chance