Recent Team Staring Rotation Comparison

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    Recent Team Staring Rotation Comparison

    The last 28 day numbers (not counting today's games)

                  GS  W-L  ERA  WHIP
    Boston:
    Miller     3   2-0   2.66  1.377
    Lester   4    2-2  3.08  1.253  (6 IP  1 ER & win today)
    Beckett 5   2-1   3.60  1.200
    Bedard  4   0-2   4.09  1.318 (4 IP  0 ER & ND today)
    Wake     5   0-2   5.23  1.452
    Lackey  5   3-1   5.34  1.469

    New York:
    Garcia   2  1-0   2.45   1.364
    Nova     4   4-0   3.81  1.154
    Hughes 4  3-1   3.97  1.015
    Sabath  5  2-2   4.95  1.349
    Colon    4   0-2   5.73  1.409
    Burnett 5  1-2  11.91  2.338

    Tampa Bay:
    Hellick   5  2-2  2.14  1.158
    Price      5  2-2  2.55  1.104
    Shields  5  3-1  2.66  0.984
    Davis     4  0-0  3.00  1.033
    Niem.    4   3-1  3.16  1.021  (6.1 IP  3 ER and win today)

    Detroit:
    Verland  5  5-0  1.96  0.818
    Fister     5  3-1  3.45  1.291
    Scherz   5  2-1  3.90  1.100
    Penny   4   2-1  4.44  1.603
    Porce    5   1-2  7.27  1.769

    Texas:
    Wilson  5  3-1  2.70  1.200  (5 IP  6 ER & Loss today)
    Lewis   5   1-1  4.40  1.272
    Hollnd  5   2-1  5.13  1.823
    Harrsn 5   1-2  6.51  1.627
    Ogando 5  2-1 6.48  1.595

    LAA:
    Sant.   5  3-1  2.14  1.214  (7 IP  4 ER & win today)
    Weav  5  1-2  3.15  1.049
    Haren 5  2-1  4.64  1.182
    Pineiro 2 0-1  7.85  1.527
    Chat    3  0-2  7.90  2.049
    Rich     2  0-1  9.53  1.765




     
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    Re: Recent Team Staring Rotation Comparison

    If the Rangers pitching continues like that, and if their hitting goes in a slump ... well playing Texas in the PS may not be be so bad (if they make the playoffs).
     
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    wow, tampa bay, that surprised (how good the sp has been), and texas on the high side (era); maybe we'd be better off facing tex than det in 1st round . . .
     
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    TB's starters have really stepped it up through the "dog days" of the season. Good thing their bats haven't heated up.

    I question why they didn't call up Jennings earlier. The kid looks like the "real deal". They also have a kid named Moore in the minors that everyone is drooling over.

    Too bad TB's talent is wasted on a city that barely knows they exist.
     
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    Rays hitting/pitching should be seen in the context of where they play.
    Verlander is a beast!
     
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    Rays hitting/pitching should be seen in the context of where they play. Verlander is a beast!
    Posted by harness

    You mean softy was wrong? TB is not a hitter's park? Golly Gee!

    TB pitchers still do good on the road. They win more and still have a 4.00 ERA (3.23 at home in 2011) 
    Their WHIP are close (1.18 at home/1.27 away- both very respectable.)

    Last year, the differential about the same (H 3.42/ A 4.17)

    This year their hitting home-away differential is much worse than last year. Last year their home OPS was just .020 lower, this year it is .055 lower.

    You know, softy never answered back on that Lugo position of his that I exposed. He had said that fan and media expectations for Lugo's offense were inflated because we all were too dumb to factor in that his TB were inflated by the great hitter's park he played in all those years in TB. He said that was the reason we considered him a bust, and that only he knew what to really expect based on his TB hitter's park theory. What a clown!
     
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    Recently, TB has been tough on the road as well:
    Starters and relievers...
    5 ER @ Tor
    1 ER @ Tor
    0, 2, 3 @ Bos
    9 & 1 @ NYY

    That's 21 ERs in the last 7 road games (3.00 ERA).
    All in "hitter's parks".

     
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    Players (Lugo/Wheeler) who excel in one venue may choke down in another. This is why it's important to weigh one's talent level with his environment, (and I'm not just limiting this to venue dimensions). Ken Hawk Harrelson was lost when he left Boston. He really loved playing here. It's no wonder:

    Hawk at Fenway:   .318 BA  .605 SLG  1.014 OPS
    Hawk on the road: .235 BA  .437 SLG  .743 OPS
     
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    harness, can you think of one single player that hit better on the road over a long period of time with the Sox?

    I can't.
     
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    The only one I can think of is Beltre, but that's just one year.
    He has much better career road splits than home, but it's not surprising considering he did time in LA and Seattle.

    This year, he's more prone to the launching pad:
    IN TX: .295 BA  .623 SLG  .973 OPS
    away:  .259 BA  .400 SLG  .689 OPS

    It's hard to differentiate a player's true talent level with the influence of venue.
    Especially one like Fenway. But that's what makes it so interesting.

    The Rays have a quality staff in any venue. Pitching is the over-riding factor.
    I'd rather the RedSox face NY's pitching, or for that matter, TX/Tigers, than Tampa's...
     
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    Here's a look at this year's H/A differentials:

             Home   Away
    Youk 1.048   .666   -.382
    Papi  1.015    .913  -.102
    AGon   .945   .993  +.048
    Ellsb    .942   .841  -.101
    Pedey .903  .837  -.066
    Redd   .847  .805   -.042
    Lowrie .784  .597  -.187
    Scutty .761  .668  -.093
    Salty   .749  .802  +.053
    VTek   .707  .736   +.029
    Craw  .676  .693    +.017

    Salty is the only guy who did better on the road last year and this year. I wonder if that will be a longterm trend.

    Drew  .606  .639    +.033
     
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    AGONE was hitting much better at Fenway than on the road until his HR slump after the HR derby. That and his latest hot surge in TX altered his OPS quite a bit.

    Youk's numbers are telling.
    I think Salty, as is the case with some pitchers, will eventually use Fenway to his advantage and his numbers will definitely be reflective. He has to learn to use the wall.
     
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    Salty is turning into a very good hitter.  Since the mid May he's playing like Varitek did in his prime.
     
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    Salty is turning into a very good hitter.  Since the mid May he's playing like Varitek did in his prime.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988
    He's actually starting to remind me a little of pudge.
     
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    Youk had a big differential last year too.
     
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    Salty is turning into a very good hitter.  Since the mid May he's playing like Varitek did in his prime.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988


    Offensively, yes.
     
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    Pedro Martinez
    Mark Portugal
    Pat Rapp
    Bret Saberhagen
    Brian Rose

    The year 1999.

    Wakefield was in the pen with a 6-11 record and an era over 5.... John Wasdin was kicking around to.  
     
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    Regardless of Detroit's numbers, I still hope Sox win the division.  To win in the playoffs you have to beat good pitching and your starters have to step it up.  I believe if the Sox are playing good ball they can beat anyone.  Detroit should be well rested, but may also be in coast mode too long.  My only hope is that we avoid the yankees, not because I think we'll lose, but I'm 88, have a lot of venom left for that team, and it just might be enough to send me to Saint Peter (or other places:) )
     
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    The last 28 day numbers (not counting today's games)               GS  W-L  ERA  WHIP Boston: Miller     3   2-0   2.66  1.377 Lester   4    2-2   3.08  1.253  (6 IP  1 ER & win today) Beckett 5   2-1   3.60  1.200 Bedard  4   0-2   4.09  1.318 (4 IP  0 ER & ND today) Wake     5   0-2   5.23  1.452 Lackey  5   3-1   5.34  1.469 New York: Garcia   2  1-0   2.45   1.364 Nova     4   4-0   3.81  1.154 Hughes 4  3-1   3.97  1.015 Sabath  5  2-2   4.95  1.349 Colon    4   0-2   5.73  1.409 Burnett 5  1-2   11.91  2.338 Tampa Bay: Hellick   5  2-2   2.14  1.158 Price      5  2-2   2.55  1.104 Shields  5  3-1   2.66  0.984 Davis     4  0-0   3.00  1.033 Niem.    4   3-1   3.16  1.021  (6.1 IP  3 ER and win today) Detroit: Verland  5  5-0   1.96  0.818 Fister     5  3-1   3.45  1.291 Scherz   5  2-1  3.90  1.100 Penny   4   2-1  4.44  1.603 Porce    5   1-2   7.27  1.769 Texas: Wilson  5  3-1   2.70  1.200  (5 IP  6 ER & Loss today) Lewis   5   1-1  4.40  1.272 Hollnd  5   2-1  5.13  1.823 Harrsn 5   1-2   6.51  1.627 Ogando 5  2-1 6.48   1.595 LAA: Sant.   5  3-1   2.14   1.214  (7 IP  4 ER & win today) Weav  5  1-2   3.15  1.049 Haren 5  2-1  4.64  1.182 Pineiro 2 0-1   7.85  1.527 Chat    3  0-2   7.90  2.049 Rich     2  0-1   9.53  1.765
    Posted by moonslav59


    Here's the teams overall records in the month of August...
    American League
    EASTWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRK
    Tampa Bay168.667-11-65-210277+25Won 2
    NY Yankees149.6091.54-410-5151110+41Lost 1
    Boston1611.5931.57-69-5132112+20Won 2
    Toronto1113.45854-77-6105109-4Lost 3
    Baltimore1014.41764-76-7124117+7Won 5
    CENTRALWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRK
    Detroit168.667-6-310-511493+21Won 3
    Chicago Sox1311.54235-88-3101106-5Won 2
    Cleveland1212.50047-45-8112116-4Won 2
    Kansas City817.3208.55-83-9103120-17Lost 2
    Minnesota519.208112-143-573133-60Lost 7
    WESTWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRK
    LA Angels1310.565-10-53-5109106+3Won 1
    Texas1411.560-6-68-5129124+5Lost 1
    Seattle1113.4582.56-55-8105113-8Lost 2
    Oakland1114.44034-67-8115139-24Lost 2
     
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    You mean Twins can afford Mauer?  You mean Agon isn't selling spring 2011 Padre tickets? I never said roller derby rink was a hitter's park, you low self esteem lying dim wit. It most certainly is a punch and judy paradise.
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    You said it over and over, until I called you on it. Then silence.

    You said Lugo's offensive numbers were inflated by playing in TB. You said Theo and us "dumb fans" had unrealistic expectations, because Lugo's numbers higher than they should have been.

    Your lies never cease.
     
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    Here's a look at this year's H/A differentials:          Home   Away Youk 1.048   .666   -.382 Papi  1.015    .913  -.102 AGon   .945   .993  +.048 Ellsb    .942   .841  -.101 Pedey .903  .837  -.066 Redd   .847  .805   -.042 Lowrie .784  .597  -.187 Scutty .761  .668  -.093 Salty   .749  .802  +.053 VTek   .707  .736   +.029 Craw  .676  .693    +.017 Salty is the only guy who did better on the road last year and this year. I wonder if that will be a longterm trend. Drew  .606  .639    +.033
    Posted by moonslav59


    Bill Buckner was better on the road (ironically) and Trot Nixon slugged a little better on the road in his career.  Salty from the left side seems like a similar dead-pull power profile.  Depending on what happens with Varitek / Lavarnway / Papi, Salty might see more ABs from the right side in coming years.

     
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    Thanks, slo. Yes, Salty does seem that way. He has never hit well from the right side.

    Hey, how about Price today: 12 Ks in 6 IP. He's been kind of down this year as Shields has gotten all the press, but this kid Price is buttah.

    (Jennings has 2 jacks today: he's over 1.000 OPS in a small sample size. Gotta wonder where TB would be if Jennings was with the big club all year and hitting just 80% of what he's done so far.)
     
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    Thanks, slo. Yes, Salty does seem that way. He has never hit well from the right side. Hey, how about Price today: 12 Ks in 6 IP. He's been kind of down this year as Shields has gotten all the press, but this kid Price is buttah. (Jennings has 2 jacks today: he's over 1.000 OPS in a small sample size. Gotta wonder where TB would be if Jennings was with the big club all year and hitting just 80% of what he's done so far.)
    Posted by moonslav59


    Price is amazing - his WHIP is actually lower this year than last, he just hasn't had the same results.  TB still scares me - they're firing on all cylinders right now, and their starting pitching is ridiculous.  I think they underperformed all year, and the hill is too step to climb at this point, but if I had to pick one team to put together a 2007 Rockies-style run to end the season, it would be the Rays.

     
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    In Response to Re: Recent Team Staring Rotation Comparison : Price is amazing - his WHIP is actually lower this year than last, he just hasn't had the same results.  TB still scares me - they're firing on all cylinders right now, and their starting pitching is ridiculous.  I think they underperformed all year, and the hill is too step to climb at this point, but if I had to pick one team to put together a 2007 Rockies-style run to end the season, it would be the Rays.
    Posted by slomag


    Unfortunately, or fortunately when looking at it from a Sox fans perpectve, like the Rockies they started thier run too late. July was thier undoing they played below .500 while the Sox and Yanks both played .650 plus.

    American League
    EASTWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRK
    Boston206.769-11-39-3171110+61Won 2
    NY Yankees1611.5934.59-47-7139104+35Won 3
    Toronto1511.577510-65-5142126+16Won 1
    Tampa Bay1115.42395-56-10113112+1Won 1
    Baltimore720.25913.54-63-14108181-73Lost 3
    CENTRALWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRK
    Minnesota1613.552-10-86-5139148-9Lost 2
    Chicago Sox1212.5001.55-87-48284-2Lost 2
    Detroit1313.5001.55-78-6106120-14Won 1
    Kansas City1314.48125-58-9129127+2Won 1
    Cleveland1115.4233.55-106-5100122-22Lost 1
    WESTWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRK
    Texas189.667-12-56-416896+72Lost 1
    LA Angels1710.630110-37-710892+16Lost 1
    Oakland1313.5004.511-62-7130125+5Won 2
    Seattle620.23111.53-73-1372126-54Lost
     
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