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    Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 12:52 PM EST

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/marlins-red-sox-have-discussed-hanley-ramirez.html

    The report down-plays the seriousness of the discussions, but the Sox just dealt one of their best RH bats, who just happened to be a shortstop in Lowrie.  Then they signed a defensive utility guy in Punto, which all but guarantees Aviles (another RH bat) will not be back.

     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 12:56 PM EST

    The report down-plays the seriousness of the discussions, but the Sox just dealt one of their best RH bats, who just happened to be a shortstop in Lowrie.  Then they signed a defensive utility guy in Punto, which all but guarantees Aviles (another RH bat) will not be back.

    Or, that Scutty or Youk wont be back.
    Or, that Aviles and punto could play OF and we do without DMac or a 4th OF'er.
    Or, that HanRam will play OF or 3B (Youk traded).
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 12:57 PM EST

    Personally don't care to have Hanley on the Sox he is not a team player and with the current roster loaded with guys of that nature adding another to the mix could be a recipe for disaster.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 12:58 PM EST

    In Response to Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez:
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/marlins-red-sox-have-discussed-hanley-ramirez.html The report down-plays the seriousness of the discussions, but the Sox just dealt one of their best RH bats, who just happened to be a shortstop in Lowrie.  Then they signed a defensive utility guy in Punto, which all but guarantees Aviles (another RH bat) will not be back.
    Posted by slomag


    Why?  Aviles can play outfield or infield.  Seems to make sense to carry both of them.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 12:58 PM EST

    In Response to Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez:
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/marlins-red-sox-have-discussed-hanley-ramirez.html The report down-plays the seriousness of the discussions, but the Sox just dealt one of their best RH bats, who just happened to be a shortstop in Lowrie.  Then they signed a defensive utility guy in Punto, which all but guarantees Aviles (another RH bat) will not be back.
    Posted by slomag


    Or maybe they're looking at trading Youkilis to the D'backs for Saunders and/or David Hernandez
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 12:58 PM EST

    He was ticked off at the idea of playing 3rd base in Miami.  Why would he want to come to the RS to play 3rd.  I think Scut. goes if he comes, but I doubt it happens.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:04 PM EST

    Nick Punto, I believe, is a switchhitter.  Mike Aviles, being younger, probably has trade value.  Ben Cherington knows Hanley's history (1) being sent home early by the RS cause of disciplinary problems at the Arizona Instructional League, (2) Hanley had a run in telling off his then Marlins Manager Fredi Gonzalez, now the Braves' Manager, saying he, Hanley did not have to listen to Fredi as Fredi had not played in the Major Leagues and (3) Hanley is not a very good ML SS, maybe he could be switched to 3B or a corner outfield position, but whether his Contract and acquisition costs are worth so, you be the judge.

     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:23 PM EST

    I had a short daydream in which I smiled gently at imagined Bobby V. / Hanley interactions.  Despite the enormous entertainment potential and discussion board fodder this trade might yield, I'd have to say NO THANK YOU.  

    Oh and this comment from the linked page is probably the best summary of the "discussions":

    "wanna sell low?"

    "no. wanna overpay?"

    "no"

    "toodles"
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:29 PM EST

    I don't get the Hanley thing.  He is a mediocre shortstop.  A really good bat.  But, of all the things this club needs, a really good bat is not really one of them.  And, if it means trading Youk, to me, assuming Youk is healthy, Hanley is an offensive downgrade.  Not have the on-base monster that Youk is.  And that is offensive pressure in the middle of the line-uo that Hanley just can't provide.  Why all the hard ons for Hanley?  I thought the idea was to start shedding the diva me-firsters anyway.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:32 PM EST

    I'd play him at 3B or LF, but that's why he's beingtraded, right?
     He doesn't want that!
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:34 PM EST

    only 96 games appeared last year..
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:34 PM EST

    Teams nearly always deny shopping a player. Ramirez has been shopped and if the right offer is made that works for both teams then Ramirez will be traded. To say you are trying to distress sale dump balloon payments and a player is like slicing half the player value.

    Ramirez may last one more year in the ABA of MLB, but he will be traded in the time frame I said he would be traded.

    Ellsbury plus blocked prospects for Ramirez and about 5 to 6M for 2012 contract year and a 2nd tier starter via a 3rd party, will make both teams better. I prefer an overt bad attitude like Manny to a passive aggressive bad attitude like Ellsbury. Bottom line, it would improve both teams, immediate and long term.  
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:39 PM EST

    Would we be having all these discussions about Hanley if he'd come up with some club other than the Sox?  

    If you sign him for his plusses you still have a guy who's a mediocre SS and a clubhouse cancer.  If he's so great why are the Marlins, who are TRYING to rebuild, so willing to part with him?
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:44 PM EST

    Marlins will not part with him unless they get a good fit return value. As for clubhouse cancer, nice to see Varitek gone. Manny was a clubhouse cancer in 2004 and 2007.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:48 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez:
    Marlins will not part with him unless they get a good fit return value. As for clubhouse cancer, nice to see Varitek gone. Manny was a clubhouse cancer in 2004 and 2007.
    Posted by hankwilliams


    By all the reports I have heard from players and coaches on those teams, Manny was anything but a clubhouse cancer.  A headache for the FO, surely.  But, he was loved and respected by his teammates for his fun-loving spirit, and work ethic.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:52 PM EST

    Not by all reports;)
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:53 PM EST

    If Ozzie doesn't want to deal with him, he must be a real problem!
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 1:55 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez:
    Not by all reports;)
    Posted by hankwilliams


    Pray, do tell.  
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 2:01 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez:
    Teams nearly always deny shopping a player. Ramirez has been shopped and if the right offer is made that works for both teams then Ramirez will be traded. To say you are trying to distress sale dump balloon payments and a player is like slicing half the player value. Ramirez may last one more year in the ABA of MLB, but he will be traded in the time frame I said he would be traded. Ellsbury plus blocked prospects for Ramirez and about 5 to 6M for 2012 contract year and a 2nd tier starter via a 3rd party, will make both teams better. I prefer an overt bad attitude like Manny to a passive aggressive bad attitude like Ellsbury. Bottom line, it would improve both teams, immediate and long term.  
    Posted by hankwilliams
      SOFTY, YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION HERE.... YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE NAME "RAMIREZ" ??  HOWEVER, I WOULD BE OPEN TO A "BLOCKBUSTER" THAT WOULD "TRANSFORM" OUR ROSTER !!!
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 2:02 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez:
    Marlins will not part with him unless they get a good fit return value. As for clubhouse cancer, nice to see Varitek gone. Manny was a clubhouse cancer in 2004 and 2007.
    Posted by hankwilliams


    The only cancer here is you, on this board.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 2:10 PM EST

    Manny was a clubhouse cancer in 2004 and 2007.

    Mike Lowell carried Manny's water in 2007 when Manny took an early "vacation".
    I would rather never have a player like Manny on the Sox, championships be damned. I have rooted for the team since 1972, and I would have continued to root for them if they hadn't won.

    If Hanley is a punk, I don't want him. A bad attitude is a bad attitude, overt or not. Bums need not apply.

    Championships are not absolutions.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 2:13 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez:
    In Response to Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez : The only cancer here is you, on this board.
    Posted by S5
    S5......SON, AFTER ONLY 804 POSTS IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND ALL THE GOOD THAT HANKWILLIAMS/AKA SOFTY BRINGS TO THIS BOARD......  HOWEVER, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WITH YOUR NEXT TWO POSTS YOU WILL HIT THE MAGIC # OF  806 !!!    CONGRATS !!!
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 2:35 PM EST

    Do you really think Bobby V is gonna let Hanley Ramirez do whatever he wants if he's traded here? Remember we do have a new manager.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 2:56 PM EST

    Not a chance at all. Slow news time creates this stuff.
     

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    Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez

    posted at 12/16/2011 3:22 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez:
    In Response to Red Sox and Marlins discussing Hanley Ramirez : Or maybe they're looking at trading Youkilis to the D'backs for Saunders and/or David Hernandez
    Posted by mrmojo1120


    If Cherington's plan is to trade two of our best RH hitters and replace them with Nick Punto, I'm already missing Theo.