Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

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    Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

      4/1 Upton solo hr -Sox win 8-2

      4/3 Upton 2r hr -  Sox win 7-4

      4/5 Upton solo hr- Sox win 6-4

      4/6 Upton 2 solo hrs- Sox lose 5-0 (would it have mattered, Boston only had 2 hits that day)

      4/8 Upton solo hr- Sox win 3-1

      4/14 Upton solo hr- Sox win 5-0

      4/16 Upton solo hr- Sox win 7-2

      4/18 Upton solo hr- Sox win 6-3

      4/23 Upton hits 2 solo hrs(one in each game of a doubleheader) Sox lose 13-0 (neither would have mattered)

      4/27 Upton solo hr- Sox win 8-4

      5/13 Upton 2run hr- Sox did not play

      5/17 Upton grand slam- Sox win 3-2

      Boston could have actually lost some of these games if the guy whose spot he would of taken had superior and critical production.

      19 of Uptons 29 rbi's came on home runs.  The Red Sox are 10-4 on days when Upton gets an rbi.

     

      We don't know what Upton would have done in Boston.  And obviously the Red Sox will not continue to win more than 80% of their games when Upton hit's a home run.(he might even hit some vs Boston in the future)  The game logs to this point do not indicate a single day that the Red Sox would have won an extra game when Upton hit a hr.  Only on 5/5 does an Upton RBI potentially make a difference(Sox lose 4-3 and Upton had one RBI)   There are other ways to impact games other than HR's and RBI's. 

     

      Also the Red Sox would not have had an extra hitter in each of these games if Upton was here.  Someone else's production would be erased. Without making up a trade that did not happen, Daniel Nava would be the player whose 2013 production would be decreased.  In fact, Nava might have been the guy lost from the 25 man roster.  Carp may or may not have been acquired.

     

      If Upton had been acquired, the Red Sox would have three outfielders paid to play regular. Gomes was here already and guaranteed to be on the roster on opening day.  Keeping Nava as a fifth outfielder would make him the only real backup for Napoli.  It is uncertain at best that the Red Sox would have made that commitment.  If Carp was brought in or Overbay had stayed Nava would have no spot.

     

      Upton would have raised the team salary this year without a departing contract in the trade.  He also would have represented a future commitment, including having all of the leverage in the world to demand an extension at his price if he was even willing to drop his no trade to Boston clause.

     

      We don't know what the Red Sox would have had to give up to acquire Upton.  We don't know if the teams could have come to terms.  The cost would have been tremendous. 

     

     
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    Re: Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

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    Blathering circular nonsense.

    The Red Sox are a vastly better baseball team with J. Upton, who could have been acquired by using Ellsbury and the drat compensation to get the DBacks a 3rd bagger as good or better than the 2nd rate Prodo, and without trading Bradley or Bogaerts. Barnes or Webster would have been required, and well worth J. Upton who would have agreed to the trade with an extension through age 33 at base 16 to 18M.

    Incompetent management sat on their hands.

    Your nonsense about what the Records is when Justin Upton hits a homer is childish. The reality is that J. Utpon would light it up in Fenway Park and was a perfiect fit in LF to replace Manny, the void that has made the Red Sox the embarrassing outfit that has spent nearly a billion dollars on MLPA members and has zero playoff wins in nearly a half a decade.

    Manager John is doing a great job what the hand he's been dealt, but this team, as is, is never going to be more than a bubble playoff team that is not a title contender.

     




    You say the Red Sox would be a "vastly better baseball team".  Says you.

     

    You say the Diamondbacks would have accepted Barnes or Webster along with Ellsbury whom they automatically could have flipped for a thirdbaseman as good as or better than Prado a couple of weeks before spring training.  Says you.   By the way, in your blatherings at the time you did at one point include Boegarts.(That you and Moonslav have in common)   I am aware that you also made many other posts insisting that he would not be included in the trades according to Softpuff unrealistic blather.

     

      You say that upton would have waived his no trade clause. Says you.

      He would have accepted an extension through age 33 at 16 to 18m base.  Says you.

      Somehow he would be the perfect replacement to Manny Ramirez and playoff wins would surely follow.  And according to you this new Manny Ramirez would accept an extension through his prime for less money than Manny got 13 years ago.  Says you.

     You say "the reality is that J. Upton would light it up in Fenway Park". Says you.  Do you have difficulty seperating reality from what you think "would" happen in the world of Softpuffery.

    Blah Blah Blah bubble team.  Would Upton make the Sox a "title contender" or are there other moves to follow from the realm of Softpuffery?  PS  a yes or no answer would be great.  I have no interest in an endless stream of blather.

      

     
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    Re: Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

    "The Red Sox are a vastly better baseball team with J. Upton, who could have been acquired by using Ellsbury and the drat compensation to get the DBacks a 3rd bagger as good or better than the 2nd rate Prodo,"

    Look forward to seeing you produce a link for this one. 

    J.Upton helps the team, sure - but they were not getting him with Ellsbury. put down the pipe please...

    By the way Matt Kemp called, he's angry you jilted him for Upton

     
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    Re: Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

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    And according to you this new Manny Ramirez would accept an extension through his prime for less money than Manny got 13 years ago. Says you.

    Since he's already under contract for years to come, he absolutely would have accepted that extension through age 33 at that base range. Timeline with Manny is totally different.

    At base 18 through 33 he would have had a guaranteed payout of 162 million, which would have been the biggest MLB outfield contract in MLB history.

    Yes, he would have accepted it.

    I never said "he's another Manny". I said he would be a great replacement for Manny and a great fit in LF and in Boston and the AL EAst.

    At this point, Bogearts should be moved to LF with the hope that he matures into a high level RH slugging LF'er. Brentz's potential is lower, though Brentz should be getting a long look right now.

     

     




     You say he would "absolutely" accepted your contract at "that base range". Says you.

     

      Then you change the numbers from "that base range"(16-18) to "base 18" to fluff up the numbers.  You want to put the Red Sox on the hook for a 9 yr contract.  And it doesn't add up to 162 m.  Six extra years at 18 per would be 108m added to his existing 3yrs at 38.5 m.
     That would equal 146.5m and not the largest outfield contract ever.

    You say he would be a great fit in LF,Boston and AL East. Says you

     
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    Re: Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

    Not sure the Upton deal was doable, but right now the Sox clearly lack righty hitting power.  Napoli had a great April and 4 rbis on May 1, but has been largely missing since.  Pedroia, spectacular though he has been, ain't a big enough bat in the 3 slot.  

    And those two are far and away our two best righty bats. Middlebrooks, Gomes, Salty, Nava (right side), Ross, Ciriaco, et al, make us wince when they come to the plate.  Yesterday Farrell again loaded up with righty bats against a so-so lefty starter (ERA of 6 before the game), who still held our guys to 2 runs in 5 innings.  Smart opposing managers who start lefties against the Sox will bring in another lefty as the first reliever--that's how weak the righty bats are overall.  

    The good news is of course that these guys are winning, so the OP has a point.  Upton in Atlanta has been superb for the Sox.

     
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    Re: Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

    Correlation without relation

     
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    Re: Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

     

    Correlation without relation

     




      Except that many posters have claimed that Upton's home run total would have been a big plus for the Red Sox as a self-evident fact.  The oddity of when they have come suggest it would have made no difference.  The Red Sox are 20-16 on days when Upton has no RBI's.  That record may be worse if his non-production replaced Nava's efforts.

     

      No one knows what would have happened if Upton had been acquired.  This is presented as an oddity but as fair of one as any.  It is true that according to this, there would be no positive benefits to his power production to date .  And certainly negative consequences on the many days he did not produce those stats.  As mentioned in the OP, there are other ways he could have impacted games.

      Eventually, the law of averages will likely bring things closer to normal.  This post in some ways is mocking speculation with the 9-2 record.  The changes in the team to acquire him i.e.lost players, payroll etc are real. Perhaps Jon Lester or Clay Buchholz would have been the player demanded to get Upton.

     
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    Re: Red Sox are 9-2 when Justin Upton hits a home run

    In response to vtfanofcs's comment:

      4/1 Upton solo hr -Sox win 8-2

      4/3 Upton 2r hr -  Sox win 7-4

      4/5 Upton solo hr- Sox win 6-4

      4/6 Upton 2 solo hrs- Sox lose 5-0 (would it have mattered, Boston only had 2 hits that day)

      4/8 Upton solo hr- Sox win 3-1

      4/14 Upton solo hr- Sox win 5-0

      4/16 Upton solo hr- Sox win 7-2

      4/18 Upton solo hr- Sox win 6-3

      4/23 Upton hits 2 solo hrs(one in each game of a doubleheader) Sox lose 13-0 (neither would have mattered)

      4/27 Upton solo hr- Sox win 8-4

      5/13 Upton 2run hr- Sox did not play

      5/17 Upton grand slam- Sox win 3-2

      Boston could have actually lost some of these games if the guy whose spot he would of taken had superior and critical production.

      19 of Uptons 29 rbi's came on home runs.  The Red Sox are 10-4 on days when Upton gets an rbi.

     

      We don't know what Upton would have done in Boston.  And obviously the Red Sox will not continue to win more than 80% of their games when Upton hit's a home run.(he might even hit some vs Boston in the future)  The game logs to this point do not indicate a single day that the Red Sox would have won an extra game when Upton hit a hr.  Only on 5/5 does an Upton RBI potentially make a difference(Sox lose 4-3 and Upton had one RBI)   There are other ways to impact games other than HR's and RBI's. 

     

      Also the Red Sox would not have had an extra hitter in each of these games if Upton was here.  Someone else's production would be erased. Without making up a trade that did not happen, Daniel Nava would be the player whose 2013 production would be decreased.  In fact, Nava might have been the guy lost from the 25 man roster.  Carp may or may not have been acquired.

     

      If Upton had been acquired, the Red Sox would have three outfielders paid to play regular. Gomes was here already and guaranteed to be on the roster on opening day.  Keeping Nava as a fifth outfielder would make him the only real backup for Napoli.  It is uncertain at best that the Red Sox would have made that commitment.  If Carp was brought in or Overbay had stayed Nava would have no spot.

     

      Upton would have raised the team salary this year without a departing contract in the trade.  He also would have represented a future commitment, including having all of the leverage in the world to demand an extension at his price if he was even willing to drop his no trade to Boston clause.

     

      We don't know what the Red Sox would have had to give up to acquire Upton.  We don't know if the teams could have come to terms.  The cost would have been tremendous. 

     



    The Braves pulled off a good move with Justin and bad move for BJ.  Justin hits and has an average glove, while BJ is by far a better OF but can't hit a lick.

     
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