Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Same issue as 2012. Offense doesn't socre enough runs consistently enough, and the expensive starting pitching staff in the form of Dumpster and Lackey are about 30 million a year for 5 or 6 IP.

    Any GM who is paying Dumpster and Lackey 30 million a year is not competent.

    If manager John doesn't stop overusing the pen, there are going to be serious dead arms in there.


    Overuse??? 16, 15, 14, 13 and 12 for 5 the rest are under 10 based upon history of relievers they will even at the current rate the most will be between 50 and 75 innings which is normal

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    The master of stat manipulation and outright factual lies: the stooge and board shill, himself: moonshemp:

    - ever shifting criteria

    - invented "handles pitchers" and other baseball terminology

    -invented selected sample size and apes old baseball cliches like "flip" 

    -goalposts made of Wastefield potato salad for easy human waste recyclcing

    - Softlaw's "do the math" thread factually accurage, but the stooge continously reposted prevacitations after repeated warnings of trolling blather

    - a government grade understanding of probabilities and sample size values (he judged S. Drew after one pitch).

    -the stooge brags that he watches replays of games, but thinks that means he understand baseball better than someone who listens to games on the radio and reads box scores and watches scoring plays and defensive misplays that were reported on the audio live broadcasts  

    -counted ST stats like they were a 600 PA regular season sample size, and now wants to discount 32 "real games"  (False, the stooge wants to count "32 real games" and discount the other games plays in the same season and the last two years and career median averagers of great players like S. Drew and Tim Wakefield) 

    - counted Iggy's stats as valid, but suddenly 32 game sample sizes are useless.  (Suddenly, the stooge claims that S. Drew's sample size is only 32 games becuase "he was hurt and rusty", and now gets giddy over S. Drew and is silent on his defense if Iglesias as the starter and far superior value)

    -thought Bard's numbers as a starter were "decent"  (though Tim Wastefield's 2011 starts were good but his team let him down and didn't provide enough run support for his 5 plus ERA but Bard's 5 plus ERA wasn't "decent", pretends that Bard's problems were caused by switching him to starter and made him so he's now a washed up relief pitcher)

    -thought VMart would be an "elite hitter" and a top 8 htting firstbaseman over the length of his current contract, but claimed Matt Holliday was not an "elite hitter" when he signed with the Cards years ago. (Thought Youk was an elite hitter and Varitek was an outstanding backup catcher and prevaricated that the Red Sox using VMart at 1B and backup catcher and DH wasn't an elite hitter and claimed that VMart was a below average middle 16 hitter. Claimed Wakefield had a marekt for 2012, and offered him 2 million, and wanted the Red Sox to keep Varitek as the backup catcher and go with Salty and Varitek to mentor Salty. Later claimed Salty needed to be traded. Claimed Matt Holliday woud be an elite slugger over the length of his FA market price, while Softlaw correclty stated that Holliday was too old for a long term superstar contract and was, and has, gone into a steady decline after only 2 elite slugging years with the Cardinals and is like a platoon hitter in his last two season and is gettgin worse as he nears the final stage of his aging our of MLB process) 

    -thinks "pop" means 600+ PAs and only HR power.  Stooge thinks that Pop means Fenway wallballs and gapers like the great MLB power hitter, currently on the rise, Jed Lowrie. the stooge thinks that "HR per plate appearance average" is what determines career HR power in a game defined by 162 game marathing competitions. So, he would value Jed Lowrie as an elite HR power hitter, and has to lament how this elite MLB HR power hitter got away from all the teams he's been on a journey with.  

    -thinks Iggy is a better hitter than Drew- right now.  Prevaricating, without shame, as I've called Iggy a weak hitter and S. Drew a weak hitter, and have made the point that S. Drew is inferior because he doesn't hit well enough to offset the defensive deficit between the two profiles. S. Drew is a weak hitter, though the stooge is claiming, last night, in a giddy exuberance, that S. Drew is an outsanding hitter. His need to create the strawman that the weak hitting S. Drew is a better hitter than Iglesias is pitiful.

    But I've noted how the stooge agrees with the decision to offer S. Drew 10 million.

    -thinks Jake is a bum, but AZ would have handed us J Upton for him and a couple prospects not named JBJ (then denied he included Bogaerts, then admitted it with qulaifications, and now denies it again).

    The stooge claims that Ellsbury and his draft compensation and 3 or 4 prospects other than Bogearts and Bradley and Barnes wasn't enough because the DBacks didn't want Ellsbury, because the Braves sent a much better package and the only way for the deal to happen was the DBacks wanting Ellsbury. I said the same, all along, didn't admit or deny anything, and said to include Bogearts only if another team produced a better offer, which I correclty pointed out wasn't likely to happen. It didn't.

    This is the same stooge who wanted Buch traded for Santana, and claimed that Hermida was a "great pickup" at nearly 4 million. 

    -though Jed was a bum, then complained we didn't strike gold when we traded him.

    Lowrie is a bum, which is apparent from his work history.

    -thought Bill Hall and DMac were great players driven from Boston by racism.

    Know that Bill Hall and DMac were good bench role players who were cheap and that it is factually true that racism exludes bench roles except for players that the Boston media marekt of Irish and Polish latent bigots are enfatuated with.

    -blamed the 2011 collapse on our 6th starter and back-up catcher.

    No such thing as "our 6th starter", Tim Wastefield was a wasted roster spot bum who did, in fact, start the collapse by going out there and pitching like the big loser he was and changing the narrative to how many games he would lose in a row and wether he could ever win a game to get his 200 wins over a long career that was defined by quantity and not quality and a lot of big loser moments on the big stage. He was the stooge's favorite player, even though the stooge lies and says he doesn't like him. No one puts out the stat snipets and praises Wakefield as "a solid #4 or #5" and at the embarrassing end, "solid #6" guy and doesn't love the fat egotistical bum.

    -thinks the Marlins are the role model for small market teams and the Rays are pretenders.

    Marlins have a staff that produced two titles. Rays with zero. Stooge loves the Rays and claims how great they are going to be, every season. When they do get in, from the draft picks under the old CBA, they were exposed as pretenders, every time.

    -actually thinks Jeter is a great fielder because he has some Gold Glove Awards, but discounts Jake's award.

    Stooge thinks that Jeter is a terrible fielder. I know that Jeter's career has been as an excellent fielder who didn't get all the gold gloves becuase he was a bad fielder. He has one thing that big hop Ellsbury doesn't have, and that's poise to make the simply play on the biggest stage at the biggest momenst in the competition. Which is why Jeter is going in the HOF, and Ellsbury is going into the Erstad Hall of Overrated.

    -thinks catcher defense is all about CS%, and actually thought Ramon "hands and legs of stone" Hernandez would have been a great signing for 2 years.

    Correctly stated that Ramon Hernandez would have a better back-up catcher for 2010 and 2011 and than Jason Varitek, who was wooden and couldn't hit or move in those last years. The stooge wanted Varitek retained as the backup catcher through 2012 because "of his CERA".

    -thinks pitchers call their own shots every pitch of every game.

    Know that pitchers make the decision on every pitch they throw, and know that the catcher simply takes the data on hitters and makes the first sign as the recommended pitch which the pitcher simply keeps shaking off if he's going to throw another pitch.

    -advocated signing countless 4th rate pitchers to $1M a year deals, but who all ended up signing for $3M+ and having horrible following seasons as his plan to fix the rotation. (Now, he says our 3-5 starters are "weak".) Brilliant!

    False, they didn't "All end up signing 3M plus" and I provide a list of bottom feeder starter bottom of the rotation profiles from veteran FA and at least one or two of them are easy acquisitions at that price. I never aid Doubrant was "weak", given his cost, but the stooge did say that Wakefield should have kept Doubrant in the mionrs for 2011 and 2012. Dumpster is a value bum who will be exposed for the 4.5 150 plus IP profile he is. Lackey is a disgrace that you wanted signed because "you hvae to pay the going rate to get a good #2", when I wanted his offer limited to 3 years and 30M.

    The stooge keeps saying "sign a good #1 or #2" then never provides details until I recently started to force it out of him. Santana would be on the payroll and Buch would be with the Mets, if it were up to the stooge.

    -blames Ben for Theo signings, blames Larry for all good signings and deals, and still blames Wake for anything and everything.

    Stooge, Ben was one of the Theo's chief bean counters. I blame Wakefield for being the face of incompetent managment moves with regards to old has beens, and I blame Wakefield for destroying the 2011 season and wasting roster spots because most Red Sox fans loved the bum. Larry was in charge during the Gorilla suit time, and deserves credit for getting Beckett and Lowell for 2007. Managemen is to blame for not getting rid of Beckett and Lowell, when it was long past time to do so.

    -thinks Drew can be traded now.

    False, but a few more weeks and S. Drew is a correct partial salary dump to reduce a big value mistake. I've noted that you are all on for S. Drew.

    -thinks I was a racists for suggesting an offer to Papi that was larger than the one he ended up suggesting, basically admitting he is a racist using his own logic.

    You are deluded, it was racist to not give Ortiz a 2 year deal for 2011 work. You wanted a lower deal and one year. You then "got on board' at the same time I said it was time to put an end to Ortiz with a one year deal because managment failed by not doing the base 11 2 year deal for 2012 with this year, and I'm correct, his retirement or final year with the Red Sox.

    -thinks I voted for Obama because I dared criticize GW for starting this whole mess (Wars, deficit, unemployment...).

    I know you voted for Obama, because I know the chip you carry on your shoulder and the body politic that is behind you. Some Wars are necessary, and Iraq was approved by all yellow dog Democrats before they found out it would take longer to stabalize than it did. The troop surge was successful, and Obama used that to incompentently run a campaign on a troop surge in Afghanastan and closing GITMO and "withdrwaing from Iran in 180 days". If WWII was required, today, this Nation would be absorbed as a prop.

    This "whole mess" was created by Wilson and FDR, and is known how as "federal printing press and pure paper" and "social justice". Entitlements is "social justice", and is behind deficits and debt levels that will result in the dollar being devalued and no longer the world reserve value unit.

    The way this Nation is going to end up as a collectivist Statist regions of subjects is by vitue of the internal cancer of a desire for a collectivist something for nothing utopia policy that makes the currency worthless and the people as consuming subjects who produce nothing but what the State mandates.  

    - I could go on, if you guys want some more laughs...

    I could go on, by saying that a non-chaning immigration policy that allows Muslims to simply fill out paperwork and come in this Nation is responsible for the repeat jihadist attacks that are currently being planned by those who have come into this Nation on immigration paperwork since the 90's.

    No doubt, the U.S. will do nothing other than approach it as a social justice issue and criminal justice issue.

    Anyone care about the on-going conspiracy to lie to the American People about the cause of the Muslim jihad attack on the U.S. Embassy. Of course you Wards of the State don't care. Anyone care that these recent Muslim jihadists included a known Russian terrorist prevention target whose terrorist suspect status was known to our intelligence bureaucrats who did nothing regarding a Muslim terrorist suspect who was not a U.S. citizen. Of course you don't care, but you will get to watch the speeches and funerals and allow the great American justice system to take care of justice for Muslim jihadists as they contemplate their awaiting virgins for their self-proclaimed good works.



    What a bunch of bunk.

    You are the biggest liar I have ever known.

     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    - I could go on, if you guys want some more laughs...


    Oh please do...Im loving this...

     

    -wanted Ben Sheets the year he never ended up pitching an inning.

    -wanted Erik Bedard the year he was hurt and awful.

    -wanted Ellsbury to be the 4th OF'er in 2011.

    -wanted Crawford to be the leadoff hitter bothe years here.

    -thought VMart could actually catch when he was here.

    -thought VMart could catch another year and then play 1B.

    -wanted Alex Cora over Pedey.

    -called Theo incompetent for letting Pedro walk.

    -liked the Willie Mo trade.

    -thought we could get Kemp for Ellsbury, but thinks Ellsbury is a 4th OF'er.

    -thinks he is a lawyer.

    -thinks he knows my politics.

    -thinks he is not a clown.

    -thinks I care about getting a few positions wrong, because he is petrified to admit to even one.

    -thinks I think Bard turned bad becasue he was moved to a starter.

    -thinks we don't remember he said Bard was "decent".

    -thinks I wanted Wake at $2M.

    -thinks we don't remember him wanting Wake cut after 2007.

    -thinks JBJ was a net positive in his short time in Boston.

    -thinks Iggy is a better hitter than Drew based on a puny sample size with 5+ infield hits.

    -thinks a Nava/Gomes platoon in LF is going to produce less than the league average LF OPS.

    -thinks our pen is overused when every way you look at it, it is not. Every way!

    -thinks he knows math.

    -thinks he knows science.

    -thinks he knows ethics and morals.

    -thinks he knows politics.

    -thinks he knows economics.

    -thinks Beck and Rush are intelligent.

    -thinks Obama is more Socialist than GW.

    -thinks he is not a silly clown.

     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    In response to JimfromFlorida's comment:

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

     

    Same issue as 2012. Offense doesn't socre enough runs consistently enough, and the expensive starting pitching staff in the form of Dumpster and Lackey are about 30 million a year for 5 or 6 IP.

    Any GM who is paying Dumpster and Lackey 30 million a year is not competent.

    If manager John doesn't stop overusing the pen, there are going to be serious dead arms in there.

     


    Overuse??? 16, 15, 14, 13 and 12 for 5 the rest are under 10 based upon history of relievers they will even at the current rate the most will be between 50 and 75 innings which is normal

     



    Don't confuse Softy with the facts.

     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    Breslow's overwork really showed last night.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    - I could go on, if you guys want some more laughs...


    Oh please do...Im loving this...

     

    -wanted Ben Sheets the year he never ended up pitching an inning.

    -wanted Erik Bedard the year he was hurt and awful.

    -wanted Ellsbury to be the 4th OF'er in 2011.

    -wanted Crawford to be the leadoff hitter bothe years here.

    -thought VMart could actually catch when he was here.

    -thought VMart could catch another year and then play 1B.

    -wanted Alex Cora over Pedey.

    -called Theo incompetent for letting Pedro walk.

    -liked the Willie Mo trade.

    -thought we could get Kemp for Ellsbury, but thinks Ellsbury is a 4th OF'er.

    -thinks he is a lawyer.

    -thinks he knows my politics.

    -thinks he is not a clown.

    -thinks I care about getting a few positions wrong, because he is petrified to admit to even one.

    -thinks I think Bard turned bad becasue he was moved to a starter.

    -thinks we don't remember he said Bard was "decent".

    -thinks I wanted Wake at $2M.

    -thinks we don't remember him wanting Wake cut after 2007.

    -thinks JBJ was a net positive in his short time in Boston.

    -thinks Iggy is a better hitter than Drew based on a puny sample size with 5+ infield hits.

    -thinks a Nava/Gomes platoon in LF is going to produce less than the league average LF OPS.

    -thinks our pen is overused when every way you look at it, it is not. Every way!

    -thinks he knows math.

    -thinks he knows science.

    -thinks he knows ethics and morals.

    -thinks he knows politics.

    -thinks he knows economics.

    -thinks Beck and Rush are intelligent.

    -thinks Obama is more Socialist than GW.

    -thinks he is not a silly clown.




    Thanks :)  good laugh with my coffee this morning

     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Breslow's overwork really showed last night.




    Maybe not a good idea to give him 2 days in a row right now. Dont need him landing on the DL again with that shoulder.

     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Breslow's overwork really showed last night.



    LMFAO!

     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    - I could go on, if you guys want some more laughs...


    Oh please do...Im loving this...

     

    -wanted Ben Sheets the year he never ended up pitching an inning.

    -wanted Erik Bedard the year he was hurt and awful.

    -wanted Ellsbury to be the 4th OF'er in 2011.

    -wanted Crawford to be the leadoff hitter bothe years here.

    -thought VMart could actually catch when he was here.

    -thought VMart could catch another year and then play 1B.

    -wanted Alex Cora over Pedey.

    -called Theo incompetent for letting Pedro walk.

    -liked the Willie Mo trade.

    -thought we could get Kemp for Ellsbury, but thinks Ellsbury is a 4th OF'er.

    -thinks he is a lawyer.

    -thinks he knows my politics.

    -thinks he is not a clown.

    -thinks I care about getting a few positions wrong, because he is petrified to admit to even one.

    -thinks I think Bard turned bad becasue he was moved to a starter.

    -thinks we don't remember he said Bard was "decent".

    -thinks I wanted Wake at $2M.

    -thinks we don't remember him wanting Wake cut after 2007.

    -thinks JBJ was a net positive in his short time in Boston.

    -thinks Iggy is a better hitter than Drew based on a puny sample size with 5+ infield hits.

    -thinks a Nava/Gomes platoon in LF is going to produce less than the league average LF OPS.

    -thinks our pen is overused when every way you look at it, it is not. Every way!

    -thinks he knows math.

    -thinks he knows science.

    -thinks he knows ethics and morals.

    -thinks he knows politics.

    -thinks he knows economics.

    -thinks Beck and Rush are intelligent.

    -thinks Obama is more Socialist than GW.

    -thinks he is not a silly clown.




    Softy thinks?  Who knew?

     
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    -advocated signing countless 4th rate pitchers to $1M a year deals, but who all ended up signing for $3M+ and having horrible following seasons as his plan to fix the rotation. (Now, he says our 3-5 starters are "weak".) Brilliant!

    False, they didn't "All end up signing 3M plus" and I provide a list of bottom feeder starter bottom of the rotation profiles from veteran FA and at least one or two of them are easy acquisitions at that price.

    You mentioned signing several pitchers before last season, and stated that starting pitching was not a weakness. You said we should offer no more than $1M. I repeatedly told you that would not be enough to sign them, so you were essentially saying not to sign any pitchers.

    Here were your $1M offer SPs and what they ended up signing for:

    Bedard  $4.5M

    B Chen  $9M/2

    W-Y Chen $11.4M/3

    Garcia  $4M

    C-M Wang $4M

    Oswalt $5M (You were adamant not to offer more than $1M)

     

    None signed for close to $1M. FACTS.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Softy thinks?  Who knew?

    He thinks he thinks, therefore he is not.

     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    "He (webster) may be our 3rd or 4th best starter right now"



    Like the 1.2 IP sample size, do you?

    Webster's the guy you wanted too, since all the  offers you suggested were so lowball, it amounted to no signings at all.

    Is Bard still "a decent starter"?

     
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    To be honest, I continue to think both Webster and Tazawa are pretty darn good.  One bad night does not define any pitcher. 

     
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    In response to maxbialystock's comment:

    To be honest, I continue to think both Webster and Tazawa are pretty darn good.  One bad night does not define any pitcher. 



    It does to silly clowns, unless it's a player he likes, then a 162 game season is the mandated criteria to use.

     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Same issue as 2012. Offense doesn't socre enough runs consistently enough, and the expensive starting pitching staff in the form of Dumpster and Lackey are about 30 million a year for 5 or 6 IP.

    Any GM who is paying Dumpster and Lackey 30 million a year is not competent.

    If manager John doesn't stop overusing the pen, there are going to be serious dead arms in there.

    SERIOUS ???  How serious ??  GRAVE .....  Is there any other !!!


     
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    Re: Red Sox bullpen burning out early from overuse

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Same issue as 2012. Offense doesn't socre enough runs consistently enough, and the expensive starting pitching staff in the form of Dumpster and Lackey are about 30 million a year for 5 or 6 IP.

    Any GM who is paying Dumpster and Lackey 30 million a year is not competent.

    If manager John doesn't stop overusing the pen, there are going to be serious dead arms in there.



    OK, just to clear things up a little:

    Sox are 3rd in the AL in scoring, sooo, they actually DO score enough runs.  And, I guess you are trying to suggest, in your inimitable grammatical construction, that they score all those runs in bunches and therefore the runs scored total is misleading.  Which I would buy, if their record wasn't also the best in the AL.  

     

     
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    softlaw2, you are changing your argument again.  You started out saying Hanrahan and Bailey were overused, which was blatantly untrue.  Now you are saying it's the schedule, which is a valid point, but there hasn't been enough time for anyone to get overused.  Right now the manager and the FO have two many options to avoid that.  Please not that Tazawa pitched the 9th last night only because he wasn't getting enough work and not because of too much.  Uehara is the only guy to worry about, and they are being careful with him.  This remains a bogus issue--in May, anyway.  Come July and August, we can revisit it. 

     
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    softy seems to act like other team's have a bunch of starters getting them to the 9th inning.

     
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    One of my personal favorites of Soft's is that Dempster is ineffective in the 7th inning. 

    Translation:  Dempster, the team's #3 or #4 pitcher, is effective through six innings. 

    That seems reasonable for a pitcher who's expected to be a Middle of the Rotation guy.   Again Softy sets up a straw man and destroys it.  <Yawn>

     
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    In response to S5's comment:

    One of my personal favorites of Soft's is that Dempster is ineffective in the 7th inning. 

    Translation:  Dempster, the team's #3 or #4 pitcher, is effective through six innings. 

    That seems reasonable for a pitcher who's expected to be a Middle of the Rotation guy.   Again Softy sets up a straw man and destroys it.  <Yawn>



    softy will always find one bad thing and harp on uit forever with players he likes.

    Conversely, players he likes (few on the Sox), he will find one stat and pump them up. For example, he was gushing over Crisp leading the league in triples one year.

     

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