Red Sox lineup this year

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    Red Sox lineup this year

    1 Crawford 2 peddy 3 jacoby 4 gonzo 5 ortiz 6 youk 7 salty 8 Sweeney - Ross 9 avelis I think jacoby would be good at 3 and have Crawford batting 1st to get him going what do you guys think?
     
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    I think thats going to give us an out right off the bat.
     
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    Rookies...
     
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    [QUOTE]1 Crawford 2 peddy 3 jacoby 4 gonzo 5 ortiz 6 youk 7 salty 8 Sweeney - Ross 9 avelis I think jacoby would be good at 3 and have Crawford batting 1st to get him going what do you guys think?
    Posted by cm99[/QUOTE]

    I disagree, but it's Bobby V's call anyway:

    Ellsbury - why break what isn't broken
    Pedroia - why break what isn't broken
    Gonzalez - why break what isn't broken
    Youkilis - why break what isn't broken
    Ortiz - why break what isn't broken
    etc.
     
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    [QUOTE]1 Crawford 2 peddy 3 jacoby 4 gonzo 5 ortiz 6 youk 7 salty 8 Sweeney - Ross 9 avelis I think jacoby would be good at 3 and have Crawford batting 1st to get him going what do you guys think?
    Posted by cm99[/QUOTE]

    1.jacoby
    2.crawford
    3.peddy
    4.gonzo
    5.ortiz
    6.youk
    7.ross
    8.salty
    9.avelis
     
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    I think none of these lineups will happen until at least May when Crawford comes back. When he does I like Raider's lineup. Why? We need to put Crawford at the top of the lineup, second is perfect with Jacoby leading off and Pedey would work well in the 3 hole. Crawford needs to be given at least two months 200+ ABs at the top to revive his confidence. If he fails anywhere near like last year, then we are simply stuck with a 4th OFer making a redonkulous amout of money.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think none of these lineups will happen until at least May when Crawford comes back. When he does I like Raider's lineup. Why? We need to put Crawford at the top of the lineup, second is perfect with Jacoby leading off and Pedey would work well in the 3 hole. Crawford needs to be given at least two months 200+ ABs at the top to revive his confidence. If he fails anywhere near like last year, then we are simply stuck with a 4th OFer making a redonkulous amout of money.
    Posted by sindarin-erebor[/QUOTE]


    Completely agree. Much of Crawford's problem, IMO, was being bounced around the line-up. Hitters are creatures of habit, and don't like to moved around like Francona did with a lot of these guys.
    Until CC comes back, I would hit Aviles in the number two slot.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think none of these lineups will happen until at least May when Crawford comes back. When he does I like Raider's lineup. Why? We need to put Crawford at the top of the lineup, second is perfect with Jacoby leading off and Pedey would work well in the 3 hole. Crawford needs to be given at least two months 200+ ABs at the top to revive his confidence. If he fails anywhere near like last year, then we are simply stuck with a 4th OFer making a redonkulous amout of money.
    Posted by sindarin-erebor[/QUOTE]

    I don't think we need to put a mediocre-to-poor OBP guy that strikes out a lot at the top of the lineup.  I certainly don't want to transfer at bats from Agon, Papi and Youk to him!

    WRT to confidence from batting 2nd, the flip side is the pressure there.  I'd rather tell him he's batting 6th and leave him there so he gets some consistency in a less-pressurised situation.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Red Sox lineup this year : I disagree, but it's Bobby V's call anyway: Ellsbury - why break what isn't broken Pedroia - why break what isn't broken Gonzalez - why break what isn't broken Youkilis - why break what isn't broken Ortiz - why break what isn't broken etc.
    Posted by Soxdog67[/QUOTE]

    Agree

    and to continue.

    6th Crawford (Ross while he is out)
    7th Saltalamacchia
    8th Sweeney (Eventually platooning with Ross)
    9th Iglesias
     
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    Completely agree. Much of Crawford's problem, IMO, was being bounced around the line-up. Hitters are creatures of habit...

    Yes, and that's why a guy with a career sub 700 OPS vs LHPs should barely even be in the line-up, let along in the top 6 vs lefties.

    Vs RHP:
    1) Ells
    2) Ped
    3) AGon
    4) Papi
    5) Youk
    6) Salty
    7) Sween
    8) Ross
    9) Aviles/Iggy (if not in AAA)

    vs LHPs
    1) Ells
    2) Ped
    3) AGon
    4) Youk
    5) Papi
    6) Ross
    7) Aviles
    8) Shop
    9) DMac (LF)
     
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    [QUOTE]Completely agree. Much of Crawford's problem, IMO, was being bounced around the line-up. Hitters are creatures of habit... Yes, and that's why a guy with a career sub 600 OPS vs LHPs should barely even be in the line-up, let along in the top 6 vs lefties. Vs RHP: 1) Ells 2) Ped 3) AGon 4) Papi 5) Youk 6) Salty 7) Sween 8) Ross 9) Aviles/Iggy (if not in AAA) vs LHPs 1) Ells 2) Ped 3) AGon 4) Youk 5) Papi 6) Ross 7) Aviles 8) Shop 9) DMac (LF)
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Who are you referring to with the career sub 600 OPS vs LHPs?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Red Sox lineup this year : 1.jacoby 2.crawford 3.peddy 4.gonzo 5.ortiz 6.youk 7.ross 8.salty 9.avelis
    Posted by raider3524[/QUOTE]

    This would be the lineup I;d go with, except swap Youk and Ortiz, because that makes it a little more difficult for the opposing team to bring in a lefty specialist and wipe out both Ortiz and Gonzalez.  I also think Iglesias will eventually take over SS, but he'd be batting 9th too.
     
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    1 LH Ellsbury
    2 RHPedroia
    3 LH Crawford
    4 LH Gonzalez
    5 RH Youkilis
    6 LH Ortiz
    7 RH Ross
    8 S   Saltalamacchia
    9 RH Iglesias
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Red Sox lineup this year : Who are you referring to with the career sub 600 OPS vs LHPs?
    Posted by Skadude22[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, I meant to say "career sun 700 OPS". (I went back and edited)

     
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    Crawford is about as automatic an out as there is on this team and yet you want him batting 1 or 2?  Haven't we been down this road about a thousand times this winter?
     
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    [QUOTE]Crawford is about as automatic an out as there is on this team and yet you want him batting 1 or 2?  Haven't we been down this road about a thousand times this winter?
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    CRAWFORD BASHING FROM SOUTHWEST CONN. YES WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD TOO MANY TIMES.


     
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    [QUOTE]Completely agree. Much of Crawford's problem, IMO, was being bounced around the line-up. Hitters are creatures of habit... Yes, and that's why a guy with a career sub 700 OPS vs LHPs should barely even be in the line-up, let along in the top 6 vs lefties. Vs RHP: 1) Ells 2) Ped 3) AGon 4) Papi 5) Youk 6) Salty 7) Sween 8) Ross 9) Aviles/Iggy (if not in AAA) vs LHPs 1) Ells 2) Ped 3) AGon 4) Youk 5) Papi 6) Ross 7) Aviles 8) Shop 9) DMac (LF)
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    They won't platoon him,

    Interestingly, unitl 2008, Crawford hit LHP pretty well.  Then he completely tanked in 2008, and has been slowly improving each year.  Just not fast enough.

    2011 was a step back in every category for CC, however...

     
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    CC no doubt has the poor stats vs. lefties, but I always remember in TB he played vs right or left and always seemed to be in the middle of game winning rallies.  Any stats for that tendency?
     
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    Completely agree. Much of Crawford's problem, IMO, was being bounced around the line-up. Hitters are creatures of habit... Yes, and that's why a guy with a career sub 700 OPS vs LHPs should barely even be in the line-up, let along in the top 6 vs lefties.Vs RHP: 1) Ells 2) Ped 3) AGon 4) Papi 5) Youk 6) Salty 7) Sween 8) Ross 9) Aviles/Iggy (if not in AAA) vs LHPs 1) Ells 2) Ped 3) AGon 4) Youk 5) Papi 6) Ross 7) Aviles 8) Shop 9) DMac (LF)
    Posted by moonslav59


    They won't platoon him,

    I know they won't. My point is that he should be based on his numbers, and that fact alone should be enough to prove he should not be moved up to the 1-2 or 3 slot vs LHPs.

    Interestingly, unitl 2008, Crawford hit LHP pretty well.  Then he completely tanked in 2008, and has been slowly improving each year.  Just not fast enough.

    This is just not true at all. From 2002 to 2007, CC's numbers were:
    OBP: .317
    SLG: .387
    OPS: .704
    While this may be good enough for the Rays in those days, it is not even close to being good enough to bat 1-6 in the Sox line-up. Not even close.

    Improving on these 2008 numbers should not be made out to be a feather in his cap:
    2007: .350/.487/.837
    2008: .293/.348/.641
    2009: .325/.378/.704 (He just returned to his 2002-2007 OPS exactly)
    2010: .312/.384/.696 (This is not an improvement: it is a tend downwards)
    2011: .249/.317/.566 (I'm willing to accept this was partially injury-related)

    Graphing CC's OBP or OPS by age, it seems clear he peaked in 2007 and has been in almost a steady decline ever since. There is no reason to think he will turn things around at age 30-31. Of course, he could have a spike here or there, or he could even turn it around, but there is absolutely no reason to project he will, and better yet, there is no reason to think he will outperform Jacoby, Pedey, AGon, Youk, Papi, or Ross vs LHPs. I'd even bet he won't outperform Shoppach, Aviles, Salty, DMac, or Lavarnway vs LHPs in 2012 as well.

    2011 was a step back in every category for CC, however...

    2011 was a continuation of a downward trend in effect since the end of 2007.

     


     
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    CC no doubt has the poor stats vs. lefties, but I always remember in TB he played vs right or left and always seemed to be in the middle of game winning rallies.  Any stats for that tendency?

    1) Have you seen TB's hitting stats as a team? A .690-700 OPS is good enough to bat 2nd. 

    2) High leverage situations in TB:
    2002-2007: .352/.441/.793 vs L & R. That is slightly better than his overall .771 OPS.
    2008-2010: .359/.448/.807 vs L & R. Slightly better than .349/.454/.803 overall.

    3) The real issue is this: why should Youk or Papi be demoted in order to move CC up vs LHPs?

    CC always seemed to do well vs the Sox, but here are his numbers vs Sox lefties:
    PAs           OPS
    45 Lester    .545
    18 Oki         .389
    14 Fossum   .429
    14 Embree   .214
    4 Doubront   .000
    4 Gabbard   .000
     
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    Then an answer might be, bat CC 2nd v. righties, 9th v. lefties.  That way, CC always bats next to Els; probably not logical, but like the idea of two speedsters batting one right after the other, has to pressure the defense & discombobulate the pitcher a little.
     
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    [QUOTE]Then an answer might be, bat CC 2nd v. righties, 9th v. lefties.  That way, CC always bats next to Els; probably not logical, but like the idea of two speedsters batting one right after the other, has to pressure the defense & discombobulate the pitcher a little.
    Posted by soxnewmex[/QUOTE]

    I still think Ells-Pedey-AGon-Papi-Youk are the best 1-5 hitters vs RHPs on the Sox, But I'd be OK with CC up 2nd vs righties. It would stretch out the line-up somewhat, and Youk's numbers vs RHPs might not be that great this year anyways, but it kind of messes with Pedey. I don't mind Pedey up 3rd or 4ht vs LHPs, but vs RHPs AGon and Papi should be 3/4 or 3/5.
    I'm OK with this vs RHPs:
    Ells
    CC
    AGon
    Pedey
    Papi
    Youk
    Salty
    Sweeney
    Aviles

    This could make sense vs LHPs
    Ells
    Pedey
    AGon
    Youk
    Papi
    Ross
    Aviles
    Shopp
    CC
    ...but I doubt we will ever see this in action. CC might bat 7th behind Ross instead or even ahead of Ross (6th) even though Ross is a career 900+ hitter vs lefties.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Red Sox lineup this year : Completely agree. Much of Crawford's problem, IMO, was being bounced around the line-up. Hitters are creatures of habit, and don't like to moved around like Francona did with a lot of these guys. Until CC comes back, I would hit Aviles in the number two slot.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    For 142 mil CC should be able to stand on his head and hit.Don't use that where i bat as a reason a major league player making millions  to play. Sox didn't get him because of his deffense NO EXCUSE AT ALL !!!!
     
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    Hitters are creatures of habit, and don't like to moved around like Francona did with a lot of these guys.

    1) If hitters are "creatures of habit", why are you advoctaing moving Pedey from his long held 2 slot?

    2) Tito did not move players around much at all. Bobby V will shift line-ups much more that tito did. The only reason Tito moved people around was due to injuries or his resting of players (while they were red hot, I might add).
     
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    I don't get the whole lineup thing being a "creature of habit" thing. I don't remember ever being bounced around in the lineup but if I did it would only motivate me more to get the most out of that AB. It would only make me focus more.
     
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