Red Sox made a HUGE mistake in my mind

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    Red Sox made a HUGE mistake in my mind

    Brutal move today

    can bard do it or are they going to look outside the organization for a closer

     
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    [QUOTE]Brutal move today can bard do it or are they going to look outside the organization for a closer Sox contingency plans
    Posted by bostonfan191646[/QUOTE]

    My first reaction: I am fine with the move. Paps did better this year, but still failed when it mattered most.

    I am sure it had nothing to do with money, but more Paps wanting out of the drama(just quoting big Papi). It seems that perhaps the Sox did not want him back either. I am sure they know more details then we do.

    Perhaps Bard can do the job for a whole lot less. If not, they will find someone who can.
     
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    Probably not Bard. Get Bell, Papelbon time to move on. I'm ok with it.
     
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    [QUOTE]Brutal move today can bard do it or are they going to look outside the organization for a closer Sox contingency plans
    Posted by bostonfan191646[/QUOTE]

    Pap going to the Phils and Madson staying would be tuff.  I don't think Ryans signing has been finalized maybe we still have a shot.
     
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    Heath Bell is not the answer IMHO..Hes a flyball pitcher who benefitted from a huge ballpark..hed get lit up in Fenway...If the Sox spent that much $$ and years on Paps, it would be a financial disaster..We already have a couple of those...
     
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    [QUOTE]Probably not Bard. Get Bell, Papelbon time to move on. I'm ok with it.
    Posted by TheExaminer[/QUOTE]

     Don't think the FO will leave it up to chance with Bard, Exam. Charrington said Papelbon and his agents never came back to see if the sox would match the offer, wasnt enough common ground this early in the off season. Expect they will sign a closer.
     
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    They did the right thing.  4 yrs at big money is stupid for a reliever.  Look at past history. 

    When approached, he never wanted to sign a long-term deal because his intention was always to test the market so their hands were tied.  It leaves a big hole now but you have to think about yrs 3 and 4 of the contract too.
     
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    Define big money for me....82 million for John Lackey, acceptable to most everyone on this site when it happened. 142 million for Carl Crawford, maybe not acceptable but few batted an eye on the amount of money he received. Now because the same people who orchestrated why everything Theo did was because he's so much smarter than anyone here, and he should know because he was a 2 WS title winning GM, we are supposed to believe that the Phillies overpaid for their new, reliable, probably going to save another 35 a year throughtout his contract (he's only 31) closer while the Sox were prudent. Gee, great work, Ben...

    As for Papelbon not giving the Sox a chance to match offer, I go back and say maybe you take the guy more seriously in the offseason of 2010, and this stuff doesn't come to this. When the Phillies and Papelbon are celebrating a WS title next year or the year after, and the Sox are still trying to solve the closer problem, then come back and tell me how acceptable it was to lose the best closer the Sox have ever had over a substantial period of time (not one year closer like so many guys out there are).
     
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    If you have a player that can perform in Boston, bring him back.  As to big money and four years for a reliever, that Yankees did it a number of time with Mariano who still had an excellent year at 41.  Letting someone go, with no clear cut way to replace him, and with no Tito or Theo is not the way to prepare for 2012 and the American League East.
     
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    I assumed, as of last year, that Paps was leaving, and that Bard would take over.  I'm not sure that having a good year in a contract year, voids that kind of thinking.  I really don't recall a lot of posters insisting that Paps had to be re-signed at the end of 2010.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Red Sox made a HUGE mistake in my mind :  Don't think the FO will leave it up to chance with Bard, Exam. Charrington said Papelbon and his agents never came back to see if the sox would match the offer, wasnt enough common ground this early in the off season. Expect they will sign a closer.
    Posted by J-BAY[/QUOTE]

    My thought exactly. Expect a new closer, I don't fully trust Bard just yet.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Red Sox made a HUGE mistake in my mind : Pap going to the Phils and Madson staying would be tuff.  I don't think Ryans signing has been finalized maybe we still have a shot.
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]

    Madden is not signing with Phillies. That is why they signed Paplebon. Look for Sox to get Joe Nathan for one year deal at short money.
     
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    Glad paps is gone, what an obnoxious me-centered weirdo, sign Nathan for insurance, but believe Bard will do fine.
     
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    I think they have to either make Bard the closer or convert him to a starter.  To sign another closer now, and keep Bard in the set up role , would be a slap in the face.
     
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    [QUOTE]If you have a player that can perform in Boston, bring him back.  As to big money and four years for a reliever, that Yankees did it a number of time with Mariano who still had an excellent year at 41.  Letting someone go, with no clear cut way to replace him, and with no Tito or Theo is not the way to prepare for 2012 and the American League East.
    Posted by RedSoxNation4Ever[/QUOTE]

    Paps is no Mariano. Mariano is the best in the game. Paps has been good and bad. Mariona has proven how great he is even at 41. Paps has a long way to go and most likely will never touch Mariono. Sorry, just how I feel as a Sox fan even. I think the closer role is the least of their worries and should be the least of the fans worries. Look how the Cards closer Motte performed. He was a catcher by trade, and only had a handful of saves by Aug. and he is a world series champ. The Sox will be just fine without Paps.
     
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    [QUOTE]Brutal move today can bard do it or are they going to look outside the organization for a closer Sox contingency plans
    Posted by bostonfan191646[/QUOTE]

    Do you mean a brutal move by the Phillies or Papelbon? Because the Red Sox did not make any move today so it can't be them.

    The thing we have to remember is that Papelbon was a free agent, meaning he was free to sign with whomever he desired and ponied up the dough...that was the Phillies.

    There are other closers on the market, Bell, Nathan, Madsen, & KRod as well as Bard's potential for the role and even Jenks (as scary as that sounds he is an experienced closer that closed for a WS champion). None of them have pitched proven themselves in Boston but neither did Papelbon when he took the job from Foulke.

    The Red Sox are a lesser team without a proven closer, but there's time to make up for that loss and continue to build the team for 2012.
     
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    Nathan would be a good choice.  This was not a mistake. The Sox knew they weren't going to resign Pap. I'm grateful he's in the NL. 

    We now need to find someone that will have the gutts to face the AL East teams with the games on the line this season. I think Bard, Jenks, Aceves and Nathan can do it but if they can't I trust Ben will find someone that can.
     
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    not only the motte story this year, but also brewers got axford from nowhere to be virtual lights out. they are out there, sox have to find one
     
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    It is a step back but he got tons of dough.
     
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    Huge mistake? No. 

    But it does mean they will not be putting together the best possible team they had a chance to build 48 hours ago.

    Mistake?  Sure, but not a huge one...
     
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    It is funny to see on MLBTR how many fans automatically think this tanks the Sox for 2012 right now.

    Because we all know having a closer is soooooo vital to successful playoff team.  I mean, look at the Cardinals.  They used more closers than any other team!  And then they won it all, and needed every single closer to do it.

    If that doesn't sell you on the importance of the closer, I don't know what will...
     
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    I personally think that $50M for 4 years for a guy who is going to pitch at best 60 innings a year is crazy. Unless he's named Mariano. Paps was great a lot of the time he was with the Sox, and I have many fond memories of 2007. I wish him well in Philly, except when the Phils play the Sox. But he can be replaced. And I believe the Sox get a first and sandwich round pick as compensation. Plus, hopefully this bodes well for Big Papi coming back, as I think he would be a lot harder to replace.
     
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    [QUOTE]If you have a player that can perform in Boston, bring him back.  As to big money and four years for a reliever, that Yankees did it a number of time with Mariano who still had an excellent year at 41.  Letting someone go, with no clear cut way to replace him, and with no Tito or Theo is not the way to prepare for 2012 and the American League East.
    Posted by RedSoxNation4Ever[/QUOTE]

    I agree....Pitching in Fenway and the AL East is not the same as pitching in the NL East.  While Paps is likely to thrive in Philly, I would worry about who replaces him. If Bard can somehow step up and be consistent, avoiding the late season troubles we saw in 2011, that is one thing. But I would not hold my breath. I believe Bosox fans will ultimately rue the day the oft-maligned Paps left Fenway for good.

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    Here's some of Papelbon's numbers. Courtesy of  http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/18410/phillies-overpay-to-sign-papelbon :

     Here are Papelbon's rankings over the past three seasons among all relievers with at least 150 innings:
    • 19th in batting average
    • 16th in on-base percentage
    • 18th in slugging percentage
    • 23rd in ERA


     
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