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    The answer here isn't to get Doubront to go away; the answer is to find where his velocity went.

     
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    Also on Doubront: His diminished velocity absolutely is a concern, but his BABIP is .420.

     
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    That's absurd. His FIP is 2.83, better than Lester's.

     
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    Give it a couple of starts before you sell him for a bag of balls.

     
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    Resign Lester?

    Well, for one thing, it's going to start at $75-100 million.

     
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    Jered Weaver got $85 million to postpone free agency through the rest of his prime as a player.

     
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    Cole Hamels got $150 million.

     
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    If Lester is going to sign a deal now and forfeit free agency, he's going to want that type of money -- and he's going to be earning that money from age 31 onward, which is when John Lackey was trying to earn his $82.5 million deal that has worked out so poorly.

     
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    And regarding a comparison between Lester and Beckett, well, look at how badly Beckett's extension (signed early in 2010) turned out.

     
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    Even with a really good 2011 (which one could argue was Beckett's best full season in the majors), the four-year deal became burdensome.

     
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    No pitching prospect is a sure thing.

     
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    But that's why you build an entire farm system with interesting arms and hope that a couple of them pan out.

     
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    Young pitchers in general are a better bet than older pitchers.

     
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    Imagine if the Red Sox had traded Lester for Johan Santana back in 2007 or 2008.

     
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    I wouldn't bet on any single one of the pitchers listed above to be better than Lester in 2016, but I'd bet quite a bit that at least one and probably two or three will be -- especially with the mileage Lester will have on his arm by then.

     
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    Ortiz-was worth resigning.

    Look at the offense lately.

     
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    What would it look like without Ortiz and with, say, Ryan Lavarnway or Bryce Brentz hitting eighth as the DH?

     
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    Lavarnway and Brentz are each nice hitting prospects, but neither of them could come close to the production that Ortiz has already given Boston.

     
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    The health concerns about Ortiz have been justified, but there was no one in the organization who could have stepped in to be a middle-of-the-order bat.

     
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    I don't think there was anyone outside the organization available who could have stepped in and been as good a middle-of-the-order bat.

     
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    Even after his terrible homestand, Ortiz has a .998 OPS -- which would be fifth-best in the American League if he qualified, better than Prince Fielder, better than Jose Bautista, better than Joe Mauer or Robinson Cano.

     
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    If there was someone in the minor leagues who could come up and post a 1.000 OPS, he'd be up now.

     
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    That Ortiz is old and injury-prone is the only reason he was available at $26-30 million over two years rather than six years for $150 million.

     
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    Garin Cecchini

    is hitting .366 with a .462 OBP and .659 SLG as a 22-year-old in Salem so far, and he's even stolen 11 bases.

     
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    When Middlebrooks was a 21-year-old in Salem, he hit .276/.331/.439 over an entire season.

     
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