Red Sox non-waiver deadline July 31st rumors

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    FOX Sports KEN ROSENTHAL AND JON PAUL MOROSI

    "The Texas Rangers are close to acquiring right-hander Matt Garza from the Chicago Cubs, according to two officials with knowledge of the discussions.

    The Cubs will receive a strong package of prospects for Garza, who is eligible for free agency at the end of the season, the officials said."

     
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    FOX Sports KEN ROSENTHAL AND JON PAUL MOROSI

    "The Texas Rangers are close to acquiring right-hander Matt Garza from the Chicago Cubs, according to two officials with knowledge of the discussions.

    The Cubs will receive a strong package of prospects for Garza, who is eligible for free agency at the end of the season, the officials said."



    But Texas is giving up Olt, Rameriz and Font who all were a top ten best Rangers's prospects. But Olt is struggling this year just like Middlebrook.   If Boston want to get Garza, it is more likely Boston would have to give up Middlebrook, Ranuadon and maybe a mid-prospect player.  That is too much to give up for a two month rental guy.   Still if Boston win the world series this year, why we have to complain about this deal??  Remember Boston got Lowell and Beckett, and gave up good prospects such as Rameriz and Sanchez?  

     
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    One guy that they are talking about is CJ Edwards, this kid looks like real good Prospect, from his stats. 160 innings Pitched without giving up a HR, 207 K's. WOW!   ERA 1.68

    I'd rather trade for him than Garza.

     

    48th round Draft Pick, you never know, if you have good Scouting.

     
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    olt's value has gone way down, he will be 25 yrs old in august and has yet to do anything at the major league level and has been brutally bad in AAA this year. CJ edwards is 21 years old and is in A ball, and neil ramirez is a filler (his minor league stats are terrible). A comparable sox trade package would look something like brentz, brian johnson and a filler. if texas gets garza for those 3, i would be choked. we need garza at this point if we want to win the division, let alone make the playoffs. Our rotation is filled with way too much uncertainty. Buchholz still hurt, lester has been inconsistant, dempster has stunk, dourbont has shown flashes of number 3 starter ability but does not pitch deep into games and is inconsistant as well. We cannot depend on guys like workman, webster etc to carry us to the playoffs. 

     
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    Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo

    The Red Sox have scouted both Alex Rios and Michael Young in the past week. Will be watching Jake Peavy closely in his next couple of starts.

     
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    I like Rios and Young --I don't think they could hurt themselves trading for either. Peavy, if he's 3/4 healthy, might be a solid choice.

    I would be more inclined to trade Ells for 1 year of Hunter Pence and move ShaVic to CF. I think Pence is  a very good athlete and would help in the middle of the line-up.

    I would then move to solidify the infield with Michael Young.

     
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    Nick Cafardo - Boston Globe, National Baseball Writer

    When Aramis Ramirez returns from the disabled list Monday look for the Red Sox and Yankees to be scouting him. Both teams need a RH 3B.
     
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    olt's value has gone way down, he will be 25 yrs old in august and has yet to do anything at the major league level and has been brutally bad in AAA this year. CJ edwards is 21 years old and is in A ball, and neil ramirez is a filler (his minor league stats are terrible). A comparable sox trade package would look something like brentz, brian johnson and a filler. if texas gets garza for those 3, i would be choked. we need garza at this point if we want to win the division, let alone make the playoffs. Our rotation is filled with way too much uncertainty. Buchholz still hurt, lester has been inconsistant, dempster has stunk, dourbont has shown flashes of number 3 starter ability but does not pitch deep into games and is inconsistant as well. We cannot depend on guys like workman, webster etc to carry us to the playoffs.


    Judging from minor league stats, Mike Olt reminds me a bit of Will Middlebrooks, another big righthand-hitting slugging thirdbaseman who is only 13 days younger of Olt (who walks more).

     
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    Michael Young is a lousy idea. Unwise on so many levels. Lets start with Young's performance the last two seasons. He ranks 106 out of 108 for 3rd basemen in WAR. Yes, thats right, 106-108. Only Josh Vitters and Yuniesky Betancourt are worse. And thats with a Fangraphs WAR of -1.3. At Baseball Refference, his WAR is even worse at -2.1. He loses you ball games when he plays.

    On offense, he has a .709 OPS in the last two seasons. This while playing in hitters parks and having a respectable .308 BABIP. A .709 OPS protects nobody. He is a well below average base runner and a horrible defensive 3rd baseman, ranking 105 out of 108. And he is old and should only get worse in those areas.

    Young doesn't take pitches or walks.

    The question is why you would want him? He is just an older right handed version of Brock Holt. He has been an every day player his whole career. Would he accept a role of playing twice a week? And how good would he be even in that role? Playing only on occasion probably hurts his ONE and only ONE skill, hitting singles, because he would lose some rythem and timing.

    If they gave him to us I would pass, even with only a pro-rated 6 million dollar salary.  I prefer Iggy-Drew everyday to playing Michael Young ever. I also prefer Iggy-Holt. Middlebrooks-Drew. And Middlebrooks-Iggy. And Bogaerts-Iggy. And Bogaerts-Drew.

    Hopefully the rumors are just to inflate the Yankees price.

    I think Kevin Frandsen of the Phillies is a much better player and a much better fit. Don't really think 3rd base should be traded for though.

     

     


     

     
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    JIM BOWDEN@JimBowdenESPNxm                        

    The Rangers - Cubs...Matt Garza deal will get done and Neil Ramirez will be center piece according to source

     
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     Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times

    Cubs source suggests mystery NL team could intercept Texas efforts and get Garza.

     
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    ESPN Boston: Stocked with trade chips

    Check out the full column on ESPN Boston.

     
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    Jeff Passan/Yahoo!Sports

    Sources: Cubs-Rangers deal for Garza hits snag, no longer a certainty. While teams still negotiating, Chicago seeking alternatives to Texas.

     
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    Buster Olney - ESPN, Senior Baseball Writer Red Sox are doing background work on Jake Peavy, who pitches against AT today. Arizona, SF, Colorado also in the discussions.

    Boston has a scout at the CWS game today.

     
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    Whatever the outlook is on Buchholz on July 31st will determine what deal may be made.

    My biggest worry this past winter was the the chances that both Buchholz and Lester would stay healthy and pitch well all year long. It amazes me that neither has come true, but we are still in first place. Kudos to Lackey, Doubront and others for taking up the slack, but we will need a solid SP to have a good chance at a ring with Buch remaining on the sidelines.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Buster Olney         @Buster_ESPN

    Francisco Rodriguez makes a lot of sense for BOS. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodrifr03.shtml  Experienced as a closer,throwing effectively, fearless on the mound

     
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    Buster Olney         @Buster_ESPN

    Francisco Rodriguez makes a lot of sense for BOS. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodrifr03.shtml  Experienced as a closer,throwing effectively, fearless on the mound


    Helped the 2002 Angels win a WS;  because of the multiple injuries to the Angels bullpen, the club brought him up during the middle of September

     
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    Nick Cafardo - Boston Globe, National Baseball Writer

    When Aramis Ramirez returns from the disabled list Monday look for the Red Sox and Yankees to be scouting him. Both teams need a RH 3B.




    Ken Rosenthal/FoxSports        

    Brewers’ Aramis Ramirez likely out 10 to 14 more days due to knee. Perhaps an August trade possibility, but will not be moved in July.

     
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    Buster Olney - ESPN, Senior Baseball Writer Red Sox are doing background work on Jake Peavy, who pitches against AT today. Arizona, SF, Colorado also in the discussions.

    Boston has a scout at the CWS game today.


    Dan Corrado @talkinsoxwdan       

    Jake Peavy is signed through 2014, with an option that is dependent on innings. He's not a pure rental

     
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    Aceves + Ranaudo for Peavy?  Or something similar. 

     
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    Aceves + Ranaudo for Peavy?  Or something similar. 



    peavy would be nice,,,always liked the guy...bulldog.

     
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    Sunday Morning Trade Deadline Musings

     

    The Buchholz dilemma might be the biggest issue going up to the trade deadline. His season-ending injury sunk the Red Sox in 2011. They probably won't make a move for a starter if they think he'll be healthy in the second half, but it doesn't seem like they can think he'll be healthy. That'll be the biggest test for Cherington's long-term focus in the next 2 weeks. Is Cherington willing to give up top prospects for a rent-a-pitcher? We don't really know

    Trade Top Prospects?

     

    Red Sox probably wouldn't have won in 2007 if they hadn't traded for Beckett, but who's to say what they could have done in subsequent years with Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez on the roster.
    The Astros were in the midst of a pennant race when they traded for Randy Johnson in 1998; they lost in the NLDS, and the pieces they sent to Seattle contributed to a 116-win team.
    The Mariners thought they were a pitcher away when they traded Adam Jones, Chris Tillman and others for Erik Bedard. They weren't.

    If Sox fans don't like hearing Anderson for Bagwell, what do you think about Lester and Ellsbury for Santana?

    Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Grady Sizemore for Bartolo Colon.

    Don't hoard prospects just to hoard them, but the best way to build a sustainable winner is to build from within.

    I don’t advocate hoarding prospects all the time. You just have to be very careful with who you trade them for, because it has to be the right pitcher at the right time.

    The story making the rounds these days is about the time the Yankees almost traded Mariano Rivera for Felix Fermin.
    If another team values a player more highly than the Red Sox value that player, they should trade him. But you win from within, not by trading controllable young players away.

    It's not as simple as trading prospects and not trading prospects. The best teams keep their best prospects and trade away the ones that look like duds. The Braves did that brilliantly for years.

    One rumor from last week was the Cubs wanted two of the following for Garza: Ranaudo, Workman, De La Rosa, Webster, Owens- If Theo calls Ben should hang up the phone and let Matt Garza make 12 starts for someone else.

    Moreover, Doubront should not be part of a package to get Garza in lieu of a top prospect. 

    Who would replace Doubront in the rotation? Doubront has a 2.70 ERA in the last two months

     

     

    Lester

     

    Lester is not at an early age to lose something off his fastball. He's almost 30. He's thrown almost 1,300 innings in the major leagues. These things happen. The lack of sharpness on his cutter is more concerning than the lack of velocity on his fastball.
    That said, yes, looking ahead to the playoffs, you'd feel a lot more comfortable with a better pitcher than Lester starting Game 1 against Justin Verlander or Yu Darvish. But the only such pitcher who might be available is Cliff Lee, and it doesn't appear that Lee actually will be available. There are OK pitchers out there. But the market is pretty thin.

    Which is why it was so encouraging to see Brandon Workman flirt with a no-hitter the other day. Imagine the boost a pitcher promoted from within could provide.

     

    Lincecum

     

    Lincecum would be a really intriguing name to me, both because of the ceiling there and because you could stick him in the bullpen (like the Giants did last postseason) if Buchholz comes back healthy. However, I doubt San Francisco is ready to sell just yet, and throwing a no-hitter tends to escalate a player's price on the trade market.

     

     

     

    De La Rosa

     

    The Sox haven’t called up De La Rosa as a reliever. It seems the Red Sox don't want to bounce De La Rosa between starting and relieving (because he's coming off Tommy John and hasn't thrown more than 110 innings in a season in his career). They don't want to put him in the pen until they're sure they won't need him as a depth starter.
    That said, it'd probably be wise to see exactly what he can do in relief before July 31.

     

    Ellsbury

     

    Boras says an outfield of Bradley, Victorino and Ellsbury would be outstanding.

    I, however, still don't see Ellsbury returning on anything more than a one-year contract, and the way he's playing now means he won't be signing a one-year contract. He's going to be really expensive this winter, and he's going to be on the wrong side of 30.

    Building from within means being willing to let veterans walk and replacing them with youngsters from within. Even with Bradley being unproven, the odds are against Ellsbury outperforming Bradley from 2014-2019 -- and Ellsbury will be exponentially more expensive.

    Four of Carl Yastrzemski's five best seasons came before he was 30 (by OPS+), and the outlier was the year he was 30 exactly. Yaz did age gracefully; he didn't fall off a cliff or anything. And yes, some players continue to perform at a high level. Most don't. Albert Pujols' three worst seasons are his last three, ever since he turned 30.

    Also, in today's market, Yaz would have commanded a $200 million contract if he hit free agency after an age-30 season in which he hit 40 home runs and had an on-base percentage of .452.
    The list of players who fall off a cliff is much, much longer than the list of players who are able to do what Yaz did. Yaz is an outlier. That's why he's in the Hall of Fame.

     

     

     

     

    Saltalamacchia

     

    It's noteworthy how rarely Ryan Lavarnway has played since David Ross went down. Lavarnway has basically only caught day games after night games, with Saltalamacchia getting the most regular playing time of his career

    That suggests that Boston still isn't comfortable with Lavarnway behind the plate, for whatever reason. And that would suggest that the Sox would consider bringing Saltalamacchia back, especially since he's only two years older than Lavarnway.

    It all comes down to price. Catching is a valuable commodity. Other teams are going to like Saltalamacchia's power -- and his maturity -- as well

    Michael Young

    A player's role in early August isn't necessarily a player's role in late September. An acquisition of Michael Young would mostly be a hedge against Iglesias tumbling back to earth and Middlebrooks failing to regain last year's form.
    Iglesias hit .205 with a .273 on-base percentage and didn't have an extra-base hit on the road trip to Los Angeles, Seattle and Oakland, so the tumbling back to earth might already be underway. Moreover, Iggy was 0 for 3 Saturday despite two tough at-bats.

    If he's a .205 hitter the rest of the way, then, yes, it might make sense for him to be more of a utility infielder. If he bounces back and hits .275, then he's going to start over Young.

     

    Bullpen

     

    In Workman, Webster and De La Rosa, the Red Sox have three arms who would be fascinating additions to their bullpen if they chose to do that. Buchholz's injury means they have to keep some starting pitching in reserve, so they can't just make all three relief pitchers right now. But rather than trading Anthony Ranaudo for Jesse Crain, it makes sense to give at least one of those three a shot to pitch out of the bullpen and to see how it goes first.
    Workman probably has less closer potential than the other two, I'd say. He's built more to be a 200-inning workhorse than either of those two are.

     


    Injuries

     

    Pitching is such a precise exercise. It's not a matter of whether Buchholz actually can pitch. It's whether he can pitch well enough to help the team win. Lackey toed the slap and played through it two years ago. How'd that work out? It doesn't take much for a pitchers effectiveness to diminish. A pitch that misses its spot by three inches can get hit a long, long way.

     

    We went through this two years ago with Buchholz, where everyone thought he had a minor back injury and why can't he pitch through it, and it turned out he had a stress fracture in his back. People shouldn’t tell athletes what they can and can't play through.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Just one persons take:

    The Sox have the makings of too many ALMOST automatic outs on the 25 that you are bound to have two or three per game.

    Nap is on the verge of striking out twice per game--perhaps 225 to 250 this season. He looks lost at the plate---some appearances barely a foul ball--always taking strike 1.

    Salty is running a close second.

    Iggy is pretty much free-falling and may possibly settle between .225 and .250 by seasons end.

    Drew, I doubt will reach .250.

    Gomes is close to.250

    Lavarnway may finish .225 to .250

    Snyder, .225---with only 11 or 12 games this season.

    That leaves us with Ells, Vic, Pedroia, Ortiz, Nava, Carp--who are the most dependable hitters.

    Victorino has a hard time staying on the field for more than two or three games at a time.

    I see Nap as too much of a liability---he got us off to a great start and we wouldn't be in 1 st place without his early production but if you keep him in the lineup he will have over 225 K's we have enough guys like him--Drew, Iggy, Salty, Gomes---WHERE DO YOU HIDE THEM ALL???????

    SOLUTION: Go with the tried and true method ---have your best 25 players in the syatem on the active roster and don't have two guys batting 5 and 6 who are rally killers after the first four get on base a higher percentage of the time...Nap and Salty--move in the order definitely don't play them in the same starting lineup.

    If we can only carry two guys for their glove:

    One is a utility glove--to me that's Holt.

    One is a back-up catcher and Lava  (in my estimation) is not the one--Vazquez is for his Arm/Glove.

    That leaves Drew the odd man out. Drew is tailor made for Yankee Stadium while Jeter is out---so if you don't want him coming back to haunt you--I suppose you live with him or find a contender other than the Yankees to trade him to.

    Christmas in July---we are 1-1 after the break---CC throwing today; to me the Manager of the year is Girardi not John F. --the Rays coming to town next---Workman, Lester, Doubie and Lackey, I like our cances still being in first place next Thursday at midnight.

     
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    Just one persons take:

    The Sox have the makings of too many ALMOST automatic outs on the 25 that you are bound to have two or three per game.

    Nap is on the verge of striking out twice per game--perhaps 225 to 250 this season. He looks lost at the plate---some appearances barely a foul ball--always taking strike 1.

    Naps is just as likely to catch fire and end up with an .850+ OPs.

     

    Salty is running a close second.

    He's having his best offensive season ever.

     

    Iggy is pretty much free-falling and may possibly settle between .225 and .250 by seasons end.

    Do the math. He'd have to bat about .100 the rest of the way to end up at .225. His so called "free falling" has been this:

    Last 7 days: .167

    Last 14 days: .206

    Last 28 days: .269

    If he bats .167 the next 205 PAs, he'll be at about .240, so I guess your point could occur, but I don't see him ending up below .275.

     

    Drew, I doubt will reach .250. Agreed

    Gomes is close to.250 He's hot and could bring his OBP to .350+ not an auto out.

    Lavarnway may finish .225 to .250 Agreed

    Snyder, .225---with only 11 or 12 games this season. May not play again (see Holt)

    That leaves us with Ells, Vic, Pedroia, Ortiz, Nava, Carp--who are the most dependable hitters.

    True, but name other AL teams with more than 5-6 dependable hitters.

     

    Victorino has a hard time staying on the field for more than two or three games at a time.

    He needs to get and stay healthy quick.

     

    I see Nap as too much of a liability---he got us off to a great start and we wouldn't be in 1 st place without his early production but if you keep him in the lineup he will have over 225 K's we have enough guys like him--Drew, Iggy, Salty, Gomes---WHERE DO YOU HIDE THEM ALL???????

    K's do not always equate to auto outs. He still has a decent though not spectacular .342 OBP that has actually gone up over the last 28 days.

    Last 28 day OBP:

    440 Papi  

    425 Ells

    394 Carp

    389 Drew

    381 Gomes

    381 Nava

    379 Pedey

    353 Salty 

    347 Naps

    These guys have not been auto-outs.

    SOLUTION: Go with the tried and true method ---have your best 25 players in the syatem on the active roster and don't have two guys batting 5 and 6 who are rally killers after the first four get on base a higher percentage of the time...Nap and Salty--move in the order definitely don't play them in the same starting lineup.

    If we can only carry two guys for their glove:

    One is a utility glove--to me that's Holt.

    One is a back-up catcher and Lava  (in my estimation) is not the one--Vazquez is for his Arm/Glove.

    That leaves Drew the odd man out. Drew is tailor made for Yankee Stadium while Jeter is out---so if you don't want him coming back to haunt you--I suppose you live with him or find a contender other than the Yankees to trade him to.

    Christmas in July---we are 1-1 after the break---CC throwing today; to me the Manager of the year is Girardi not John F. --the Rays coming to town next---Workman, Lester, Doubie and Lackey, I like our cances still being in first place next Thursday at midnight.




     
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    Buster Olney - ESPN, Senior Baseball Writer Red Sox are doing background work on Jake Peavy, who pitches against AT today. Arizona, SF, Colorado also in the discussions.

    Boston has a scout at the CWS game today.

     


    Dan Corrado @talkinsoxwdan       

     

    Jake Peavy is signed through 2014, with an option that is dependent on innings. He's not a pure rental



    I heard them discussing Peavy on the radio yesterday.  The Red Sox definitely need some additions to their pitching staff considering all of the injuries and players that are out for the remainder of the season.  I expect them to acquire additional pitching soon. 

     

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