Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
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Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 4:36 PM EDT
- S0ftl@w
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Reasons are many, but a fact. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 4:42 PM EDT
- southpaw777
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so what..they still have a great offense.. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 4:44 PM EDT
- Hfxsoxnut
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Incorrect.
The 2004 team averaged 5.86 runs per game, which was .85 runs per game higher than the league average of 5.01.
The 2011 team is averaging 5.38 runs per game, which is .99 runs per game higher than the league average of 4.39.
The 2004 team OPS+ was 110.
The 2011 team OPS+ is 117. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 5:46 PM EDT
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Reasons are many, but a fact.
What a lazy OP. At least make an argument or state your case. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 6:10 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004:Incorrect. The 2004 team averaged 5.86 runs per game, which was .85 runs per game higher than the league average of 5.01. The 2011 team is averaging 5.38 runs per game, which is .99 runs per game higher than the league average of 4.39. The 2004 team OPS+ was 110. The 2011 team OPS+ is 117.
Posted by Hfxsoxnut
Excellent post. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 6:26 PM EDT
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This is the best Red Sox team I live through. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 6:43 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004:This is the best Red Sox team I live through.
Posted by BosoxJoe5
It's just the usual negative stuff Softy posts. Rarher than acknowledging the quality of this years team he's got to find the negative. Par for the course. And Softy as SSSSSHHHHIIIIIIITTTTT. Don't bother answering. I've still got you on IGNORE.
Hetchinpete. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 6:58 PM EDT
- S0ftl@w
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The 2004 team averaged 5.86 runs per game, which was .85 runs per game higher than the league average of 5.01.
Specious. League average is not a reflection of median. OPS+ is a better assertion, but it is not enough to support such a claim. 2004 lineup was more balanced from top to bottom due to OF and IF balance. OF 2011 construction was a huge value mistake by Epstein. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 7:07 PM EDT
- redsoxfan791
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In Response to Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004:Incorrect. The 2004 team averaged 5.86 runs per game, which was .85 runs per game higher than the league average of 5.01. The 2011 team is averaging 5.38 runs per game, which is .99 runs per game higher than the league average of 4.39. The 2004 team OPS+ was 110. The 2011 team OPS+ is 117.
Posted by HfxsoxnutI was just going to say the same thing. The run environment was completely different in 2004. That needs to be accounted for. Nicely done! -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 8:03 PM EDT
- attic-dan
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You must put it into a historical context the '67 Sox only scored 722 runs, but lead the league by 39. This was done in a era where the better offensive teams averaged a little over 4 runs a game. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 8:29 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004:The 2004 team averaged 5.86 runs per game, which was .85 runs per game higher than the league average of 5.01. Specious. League average is not a reflection of median. OPS+ is a better assertion, but it is not enough to support such a claim. 2004 lineup was more balanced from top to bottom due to OF and IF balance. OF 2011 construction was a huge value mistake by Epstein.
Posted by S0ftl@w
What the hell do you know about supporting claims? How about your claim Jacoby Ellsbury is seeing 43% more "fat city" fastballs since 2009?
You are a liar. And nobody takes a liar seriously. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 8:59 PM EDT
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Another OP meant to stir up controversy. Why is a comparison necessary between 2004 and 2011. It never crossed my mind to make such a comparison. Do you also compare tomatos from your garden from 2004 and now? Only a Globe plant would wish to start such a thread. -
Re: Red Sox offense of 2011 Inferior to Red Sox 2004
posted at 8/27/2011 9:07 PM EDT
- Boomerangsdotcom
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SO...it's another Softy 1, Everyone else 10 thread. 1 guy agrees with Softy and that is Softy!Just flip a coin instead of thinking Softlaw. You would do better.