Red Sox Pitching Roster Moves - What I Would Have Done

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    Here is what I would have done without having to risk losing anyone via DFA and secondly not needing a starter for Thursday:

    1. First of all, Breslow only threw 1/3 of a inning, and Miller 2/3. Assuming Mortensen is okay, those three guys would be available tonight.

    2. Bring up Aceves and put Buccholz on the DL. He'll miss an extra start, but given the neck issue, give him the extra rest.

    3. Push Lester to tomorrow in Morales start. This gives Lester an extra day of rest and puts the other starters back on normal rest. Dempster goes Thursday, Doubront Friday, Lackey Saturday.

    4. Pitch Aceves tonight. He's got a rubber arm and hopefully he can give you 6 innings. He will probably give you more innings that Lester.

    This allows you to keep your entire bullpen intact, have Breslow, Miller and Mortensen tonight, and only need one additional starter.

     
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    Here is what I would have done without having to risk losing anyone via DFA and secondly not needing a starter for Thursday:

    1. First of all, Breslow only threw 1/3 of a inning, and Miller 2/3. Assuming Mortensen is okay, those three guys would be available tonight.

    2. Bring up Aceves and put Buccholz on the DL. He'll miss an extra start, but given the neck issue, give him the extra rest.

    3. Push Lester to tomorrow in Morales start. This gives Lester an extra day of rest and puts the other starters back on normal rest. Dempster goes Thursday, Doubront Friday, Lackey Saturday.

    4. Pitch Aceves tonight. He's got a rubber arm and hopefully he can give you 6 innings. He will probably give you more innings that Lester.

    This allows you to keep your entire bullpen intact, have Breslow, Miller and Mortensen tonight, and only need one additional starter.



    That's not the worst solution I ever heard.  Sometimes you have to take the lesser of the evils. Although I do think there has to be a better option than DL'ing Buch - I just don't know what it is. 

     
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    In response to ADG's comment:

    Here is what I would have done without having to risk losing anyone via DFA and secondly not needing a starter for Thursday:

    1. First of all, Breslow only threw 1/3 of a inning, and Miller 2/3. Assuming Mortensen is okay, those three guys would be available tonight.

    2. Bring up Aceves and put Buccholz on the DL. He'll miss an extra start, but given the neck issue, give him the extra rest.

    3. Push Lester to tomorrow in Morales start. This gives Lester an extra day of rest and puts the other starters back on normal rest. Dempster goes Thursday, Doubront Friday, Lackey Saturday.

    4. Pitch Aceves tonight. He's got a rubber arm and hopefully he can give you 6 innings. He will probably give you more innings that Lester.

    This allows you to keep your entire bullpen intact, have Breslow, Miller and Mortensen tonight, and only need one additional starter.


    BINGO! Definately bring back fredo!

     
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    Thank god  u are no where near the team.




    And again, Conan adding NOTHING but fluff.  Do you find it hard to add anything of substance?

     
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    Part of the reason why we get into these situations is that our starters very rarely pitch a complete game. The occasional complete game is important in that the entire pen gets a rest. Even eight innings from the starter would help. And , it is not true that the complete game is a thing of the past. Check the daily box scores. Complete games are being thrown , just not by our guys.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     
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    In response to ADG's comment:

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    Thank god  u are no where near the team.

     




    And again, Conan adding NOTHING but fluff.  Do you find it hard to add anything of substance?

     

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    So you think there's a better chance that Alfredo Aceves, who would have had to fly to Tampa on the same day he was scheduled to pitch, will give you more innings than Jon Lester on a night they will have a skeleton bullpen?! 

     
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    In response to dgalehouse's comment:

    Part of the reason why we get into these situations is that our starters very rarely pitch a complete game. The occasional complete game is important in that the entire pen gets a rest. Even eight innings from the starter would help. And , it is not true that the complete game is a thing of the past. Check the daily box scores. Complete games are being thrown , just not by our guys.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

    14 teams, including Tampa Bay have no complete games.

    The Reds have 1.

    The Red Sox have 2 complete games. So do 9 other teams

    KC and Washington have 3

    Philly and the Dodgers have 4

    St Louis has 5.

     

    I don't think I'd trade records with any of those teams, besides the Cards.

     
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    Part of the reason why we get into these situations is that our starters very rarely pitch a complete game. The occasional complete game is important in that the entire pen gets a rest. Even eight innings from the starter would help. And , it is not true that the complete game is a thing of the past. Check the daily box scores. Complete games are being thrown , just not by our guys.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     

     

    14 teams, including Tampa Bay have no complete games.

    The Reds have 1.

    The Red Sox have 2 complete games. So do 9 other teams

    KC and Washington have 3

    Philly and the Dodgers have 4

    St Louis has 5.

     

    I don't think I'd trade records with any of those teams, besides the Cards.

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    I was looking at the same facts people should check them before making incorrect comments

     
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    My only problem with this is if Buccholz is 100% you lose out by skipping one of the best pitchers in the majors right now start. 

    If he is 100% ready to go, the team is worse off by skipping his start and letting Aceves pitch.

    Regardless of how you shuffle it around I thnk we can all agree that someone makes a spot start tomorrow; presumably Aceves. 

     
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    Part of the reason why we get into these situations is that our starters very rarely pitch a complete game. The occasional complete game is important in that the entire pen gets a rest. Even eight innings from the starter would help. And , it is not true that the complete game is a thing of the past. Check the daily box scores. Complete games are being thrown , just not by our guys.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     

     

     

     

    14 teams, including Tampa Bay have no complete games.

    The Reds have 1.

    The Red Sox have 2 complete games. So do 9 other teams

    KC and Washington have 3

    Philly and the Dodgers have 4

    St Louis has 5.

     

    I don't think I'd trade records with any of those teams, besides the Cards.

     

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    I was looking at the same facts people should check them before making incorrect comments

     

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    Complete games are great.

    But, they're no guarantee that you're going to have a good record.

     

    I do agree that the Sox rotation, as a whole, could go deeper into games.

    Doubront and Lackey are the biggest culprits, when it comes to innings pitched.

    The bullpen is definitely getting stretched, lately.

    Hopefully, Lester is able to spare the pen tonight.

     
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    Maybe not 9 innings, but 8 innings would help big time in today's Baseball. If 1 starter could do this in every 5 days, would help BP bigtime.
    You have to throw out the 100 Pitch count, or the Starters got to throw strikes early in the game.

     
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    In response to ADG's comment:

    Here is what I would have done without having to risk losing anyone via DFA and secondly not needing a starter for Thursday:

    1. First of all, Breslow only threw 1/3 of a inning, and Miller 2/3. Assuming Mortensen is okay, those three guys would be available tonight.

    2. Bring up Aceves and put Buccholz on the DL. He'll miss an extra start, but given the neck issue, give him the extra rest.

    3. Push Lester to tomorrow in Morales start. This gives Lester an extra day of rest and puts the other starters back on normal rest. Dempster goes Thursday, Doubront Friday, Lackey Saturday.

    4. Pitch Aceves tonight. He's got a rubber arm and hopefully he can give you 6 innings. He will probably give you more innings that Lester.

    This allows you to keep your entire bullpen intact, have Breslow, Miller and Mortensen tonight, and only need one additional starter.

    Sounds OK for tonight.......   HOWEVAA, time to make some changes......How long are we going to go with Doubront, Morrales and Breslow is a specialist type and not an innings man....


     
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    In response to ADG's comment:

    Here is what I would have done without having to risk losing anyone via DFA and secondly not needing a starter for Thursday:

    1. First of all, Breslow only threw 1/3 of a inning, and Miller 2/3. Assuming Mortensen is okay, those three guys would be available tonight.

    It is not just about what they pitched last night but the previous games as well. Breslow has 2.2 & Miller 1.2 Taz 2.1 in 3 games, Koji & Mort 2.2, & Bailey 2 in 2 of last 3, ...They all had Friday off.

    I could not find exactly how many pitches they threw easily lazy right now which is more important than innings.

     

    2. Bring up Aceves and put Buccholz on the DL. He'll miss an extra start, but given the neck issue, give him the extra rest.

    Why DL him if it is not needed and they have other options. If I remember correctly you just can not DL some for no reason and it would be 15 days from his last start which is 2 starts not one.

    3. Push Lester to tomorrow in Morales start. This gives Lester an extra day of rest and puts the other starters back on normal rest. Dempster goes Thursday, Doubront Friday, Lackey Saturday.

    Having him pitch tonight onnormal rest is best and having some one else go tomorrow fixes the rest for others

    4. Pitch Aceves tonight. He's got a rubber arm and hopefully he can give you 6 innings. He will probably give you more innings that Lester.

    You can have Aceves come up and another (de la rosa) as they seem to be doing

    This allows you to keep your entire bullpen intact, have Breslow, Miller and Mortensen tonight, and only need one additional starter.

     

     

     

     

     

     




     
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    Thank god  u are no where near the team.

     




    And again, Conan adding NOTHING but fluff.  Do you find it hard to add anything of substance?

     

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    "Fluff" is being too kind. Why not just put him on ignore like I did? Let him bray at the moon.

     
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    Part of the reason why we get into these situations is that our starters very rarely pitch a complete game. The occasional complete game is important in that the entire pen gets a rest. Even eight innings from the starter would help. And , it is not true that the complete game is a thing of the past. Check the daily box scores. Complete games are being thrown , just not by our guys.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     

     

     

     

    14 teams, including Tampa Bay have no complete games.

    The Reds have 1.

    The Red Sox have 2 complete games. So do 9 other teams

    KC and Washington have 3

    Philly and the Dodgers have 4

    St Louis has 5.

     

    I don't think I'd trade records with any of those teams, besides the Cards.

     

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    I was looking at the same facts people should check them before making incorrect comments

     

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    Complete games are overrated. But some of our SP seem to last only 5 innings, maybe 6 on a regular basis. Thats what hurts the pen

     
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    In response to ADG's comment:

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    Thank god  u are no where near the team.

     

     




    And again, Conan adding NOTHING but fluff.  Do you find it hard to add anything of substance?

     

     

     

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    "Fluff" is being too kind. Why not just put him on ignore like I did? Let him bray at the moon.

     

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    Fluff is what you add to peanut butter, PG.  Have you learned nothing from chatzy?  And Conan is the one and only poster I have on ignore.  Unfortunately I have to read his crapola when someone responds to his trife comments.

     

     

     
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    I do agree that the Sox rotation, as a whole, could go deeper into games.

    Doubront and Lackey are the biggest culprits, when it comes to innings pitched.

    The bullpen is definitely getting stretched, lately.

    Hopefully, Lester is able to spare the pen tonight.

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    FYI Doub and Lackey and Lester and Demp all average 5.2 innings per game Clay is 7 so it is on the other 4 to start picking up some slack not just Doub and Lackey

     
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    I do agree that the Sox rotation, as a whole, could go deeper into games.

    Doubront and Lackey are the biggest culprits, when it comes to innings pitched.

    The bullpen is definitely getting stretched, lately.

    Hopefully, Lester is able to spare the pen tonight.



    FYI Doub and Lackey and Lester and Demp all average 5.2 innings per game Clay is 7 so it is on the other 4 to start picking up some slack not just Doub and Lackey

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    If I divide Lester's innnings pitched (85) by his number of games (13), I get 6.5 innings/game.

     
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    Dempster and Doubront are at 5.7 innings/game.

    Lackey is 5.5 I/G.

     

     
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    I do agree that the Sox rotation, as a whole, could go deeper into games.

    Doubront and Lackey are the biggest culprits, when it comes to innings pitched.

    The bullpen is definitely getting stretched, lately.

    Hopefully, Lester is able to spare the pen tonight.

     



    FYI Doub and Lackey and Lester and Demp all average 5.2 innings per game Clay is 7 so it is on the other 4 to start picking up some slack not just Doub and Lackey

     

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    If I divide Lester's innnings pitched (85) by his number of games (13), I get 6.5 innings/game.

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    MEA CULPA

     
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    Dempster and Doubront are at 5.7 innings/game.

    Lackey is 5.5 I/G.

     



    Which is 5.2 inngings per game

     
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    Dempster and Doubront are at 5.7 innings/game.

    Lackey is 5.5 I/G.

     

     



    Which is 5.2 inngings per game

     

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    Averaged out?

    You may want to look at that again.


    Either way, Lester could stand to go a little deeper in games.

    I'm hoping that Lackey can extend his innings as the seson goes on.

     

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