Red Sox want to trade for Gio Gonzalez

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    Red Sox want to trade for Gio Gonzalez

    According to ESPN's Gordon Edes, the Red Sox have been talking about trading for Gio Gonzalez. His name has come up and has been talked about "widely" in the Red Sox organization.

    If we get him, imagaine a rotation like this:

    Gonzalez
    Lester
    Beckett
    Buchholz
    Aceves
     
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    Re: Red Sox want to trade for Gio Gonzalez

    what are the A's going to be asking for? it's got to be some big package of prospects....
     
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    The Athletics reportedly are seeking a package comparable to the package the A's received in December 2007 for Dan Haren (and Connor Robertson): Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland and Greg Smith:

    http://blog.sfgate.com/athletics/2011/11/21/as-arent-sending-andrew-bailey-gio-gonzalez-anywhere-right-now-at-least/

    Oakland is unlikely to find a comparable package for Gio Gonzalez, but I doubt the Red Sox can make a competitive offer.
     
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    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/22/hartnett-yankees-can-meet-oaklands-price-for-gio-gonzalez/
     
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    In Response to Re: Red Sox want to trade for Gio Gonzalez:
    The Athletics reportedly are seeking a package comparable to the package the A's received in December 2007 for Dan Haren (and Connor Robertson): Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland and Greg Smith: http://blog.sfgate.com/athletics/2011/11/21/as-arent-sending-andrew-bailey-gio-gonzalez-anywhere-right-now-at-least/ Oakland is unlikely to find a comparable package for Gio Gonzalez, but I doubt the Red Sox can make a competitive offer.
    Posted by hill55


    he's going to be tuff to get....i was reading that and i seen kurt suzuki's name..i would love to get suzuki... 
     
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    It would be a great addition to the staff, though I see you took the opportunity to slide Aceves into the 5 spot. 
     
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    i know the red sox told aceves to prepare to start but i hope they keep him in the bullpen...if they can't sign a couple of free agents then slide him in the 5th spot.
     
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    Does it look like Bedard is gone for certain? I would not mind him coming back as the #5.
     
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    Does it look like Bedard is gone for certain? I would not mind him coming back as the #5.
    Posted by BurritoT

    Do you think his two months in Boston left a favorable impression on Erik Bedard?
     
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    Posted by hill55

    Things haven't been optimal in Seattle for a long time Hill. I'm hopeful. 
     
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    Gonzalez would be a very nice addition to the Sox staff. If the Yankees are interested in him too it will not be easy to get him. I'm not sure we can put together a package of prospects that the A's would prefer over what NY can offer.
     
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    In Response to Re: Red Sox want to trade for Gio Gonzalez : Things haven't been optimal in Seattle for a long time Hill. I'm hopeful. 
    Posted by Boomerangsdotcom

    Thanks, Boom.

    After Erik Bedard's trade to Boston, the Mariners went 22-33 while the Red Sox went 24-32. However, I suspect the expectations were different.

    The early results from Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik's first three drafts have been encouraging (although Zduriencik will have a hard time topping his Milwaukee drafts that produced MVP Ryan Braun, All Stars Prince Fielder, Yovani Gallardo, Rickie Weeks, Corey Hart and J.J. Hardy, plus likely future All Star Brett Lawrie). The M's still need hitters as the top three prospects are probaby pitchers James Paxton, Danny Hultzen and Taijuan Walker (all taken in recent first rounds, Walker with the compensatory pick from the Red Sox signing of Adrian Beltre).
     
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    If Oakland will take Doubrant, Renaudo, Reddick, Lavarnway and Lowrie for Suzuki and Gonzalez then I saw the Sox go for it.  If not, move on.  Gonzalez is unproven and those five guys would all be ML ready STARTERS for Oakland except for maybe Renaudo who would be a year away.  Suzuki and Gonzalez will price themselves out of Oakland's range soon.
     
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    According to ESPN's Gordon Edes, the Red Sox have been talking about trading for Gio Gonzalez. His name has come up and has been talked about "widely" in the Red Sox organization. If we get him, imagaine a rotation like this: Gonzalez Lester Beckett Buchholz Aceves
    Posted by redsoxfan28


    Gonzalez won't be our #1 starter.
     
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    If Oakland will take Doubrant, Renaudo, Reddick, Lavarnway and Lowrie for Suzuki and Gonzalez then I saw the Sox go for it.  If not, move on.  Gonzalez is unproven and those five guys would all be ML ready STARTERS for Oakland except for maybe Renaudo who would be a year away.  Suzuki and Gonzalez will price themselves out of Oakland's range soon.
    Posted by IowaSoxFan

    The already pedestrian on-base percentages of Josh Reddick, Jed Lowrie and Ryan Lavarnway (.327, .303 and .302 in 2011) could take a serious hit at the Oakland Coliseum. Felix Doubront has never been a highly regarded prospect. Lavarnway and Anthony Ranaudo, who struggled in his first professional season, might be the only players of interest to the Athletics.
     
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    In Response to Re: Red Sox want to trade for Gio Gonzalez : The already pedestrian on-base percentages of Josh Reddick, Jed Lowrie and Ryan Lavarnway (.327, .303 and .302 in 2011) could take a serious hit at the Oakland Coliseum. Felix Doubront has never been a highly regarded prospect. Lavarnway and Anthony Ranaudo, who struggled in his first professional season, might be the only players of interest to the Athletics.
    Posted by hill55


    I didn't say it was a good deal for both teams.  It should be the MAX the Sox give up for an unproven Gonzalez. 
     
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    i think gio gonzalez would be a great pick up. there is no way they get that kind of return for him though. he is not proven enough. haren had 3 years as a full time starter under his belt before he got dealt. If your going to trade a package like that you would only do it for a proven front of the rotation starter. I hope the sox do find a way to land gio. he is the kind of pitcher we need. as for kurt suzuki i would pass on him. i really wanna see what lavarnway can do at the major league level. the guy has huge power and hopefully he will be able to improve his defensive game. then again he cant be much worse than salty. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Red Sox want to trade for Gio Gonzalez : I didn't say it was a good deal for both teams.  It should be the MAX the Sox give up for an unproven Gonzalez. 
    Posted by IowaSoxFan

    Clay Buchholz's 2010 WAR of 3.8 marked the only season the Red Sox righthander posted a WAR over 1.3.

    Gio Gonzalez, who is a year younger than Buchholz, has posted WAR of 3.2 and 3.5 the past two seasons.

    Which player is more proven?
     
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    hill,

    i think the point he is making is that trading those caliber of players should net you a proven ffront of the rotation starter as opposed to gio who is relatively unproven. 
     
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    hill, i think the point he is making is that trading those caliber of players should net you a proven ffront of the rotation starter as opposed to gio who is relatively unproven. 
    Posted by redsoxpride34

    The problem is that the caliber of the listed Red Sox players is not high enough to land a front-of-rotation starter better than Gio Gonzalez.
     
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    I had a feeling a trade would be the way we get a good starter, but getting Gio would be nice. His numbers are helped by playing in Oakland, but a 4.32 road ERA is not bad.

    A career WHIP over 1.400 is troublesome. He's only 26 and has 4 years of team control.
     
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    Posted by hill55

    No. But I have yet to hear a name truly worth listening about for #5. Bedard was low key and seemd like he was a good fit had he been healthy. I would have no problem with him slated as the #5... if he cannot stay healthy than so-what. He is only a 5, and as we have seen they are a dime a dozen.
     
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    For the ridiculous asking price they want, they can have him..No way they get a Dan Haren haul IMO..Gio is really good, but not worth 5 top prospects..get real..
     
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    Posted by hill55


    Bedard had some of the worst calls I've ever seen from the umpires behind the plate. Laughable really, and constantly hurting his pitch count and keeping innings going that should have ended before runs were scored. I have no idea what that was about, but it certainly took him out of games early.
     
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    Re: Red Sox want to trade for Gio Gonzalez

    The Pros

    • Working with two fastballs (two- and four-seamer) in the 91-94 mph range a hammer curve with two-plane break in the upper-70′s, Gonzalez misses plenty of bats (career 8.59 K/9 and 9.1% swing-and-miss rate) and generates a health amount of ground balls (47.5%). That’s helped keep his FIP comfortably better than league average, 7% better in each of the last two seasons.
    • Gio’s changeup isn’t much more than a show-me pitch, a low-80′s offering he’s thrown fewer than 7% of the time in the big leagues. Despite that, he actually has a reverse split because his curve is that good. Righties have posted a .321 wOBA against him in 1,786 plate appearances while lefties have gotten him to tune of .341 wOBA in 547 plate appearances. I suspect the platoon split will even out a bit once he starts facing more same-side hitters.
    • Other than a bout with shoulder stiffness during Spring Training in 2009, Gonzalez has been perfectly healthy as a pro. He’s never been on the DL and has eclipsed the 200 IP plateau in each of the past two seasons. He’s thrown at least 150 IP every year since 2006.
    • MLBTR projects Gonzalez to earn $3.6M in 2012, his first time through arbitration as a Super Two player. He’ll be arbitration-eligible three more times before becoming a free agent after the 2016 season. That’s as friendly as contract situations get.

    The Cons

    • Gonzalez has fought a career-long battle with his fastball command, and it shows in his walk rates. His 4.05 BB/9 in 2011 was his lowest since 2007, but it was still the highest in the AL (A.J. Burnett was second at 3.92 BB/9) and second highest in MLB among qualified starters. His 91 walks led the league this year, one year after his 92 walks finished second to C.J. Wilson. Gio’s career unintentional walk rates are 4.35 uIBB/9 in the bigs and 3.97 uIBB/9 in the minors.
    • Although his walk rates have improved each year in the show, Gonzalez has also thrown fewer pitches in the strike zone each season. He bottomed out by throwing just 42.5% of his pitches in the zone in 2011, down about 2.5% from two years ago. In ten career starts against the patient offenses of the Yankees and Red Sox (five each), he’s managed to complete six innings of work just four times.
    • It happened more than seven years ago, but Gonzalez did get kicked off his high school team following an altercation with his coach that actually had to do with his brother’s playing time. He fell a bit in a draft because of the subsequent makeup concerns.
    • Gonzalez is a bit on the small side, listed at 6-foot-0 and 205 lbs. on the Athletics official site. Old school types will question his durability because of that, fair or not.

    Gonzalez just turned 26 in mid-September, so (theoretically) his best years are still ahead of him and any team that trades for him would be getting basically all of his peak seasons. That means he will not be easy to acquire, and Billy Beane would have every right to ask for Jesus Montero as part of a package to acquire the southpaw. For comparison’s sake, the Mariners turned Doug Fister and his four years of team control into three young, big league ready players (a starting pitcher, a reliever, a platoon corner outfielder) and a top five caliber prospect (in a typical farm system, not all of baseball), and he didn’t have the same kind of track record as Gonzalez at the time of the deal, plus he’s 18 months older. The first Dan Haren trade is an apt comparison as well, though he had three years of team control left, not four.

    I’m very much on the fence with Gonzalez. Lefties that can miss bats with many peak years ahead of them are about as valuable as baseball commodities get, but the lack of control is very scary. Let’s put it this way, I have an easier time envisioning Gio developing into Oliver Perez than I do Randy Johnson. Gonzalez has ace-potential, I’m not denying that one bit, but he has a major hurdle to clear before reaching that ceiling. If you’re giving up multiple young players and high-end prospects, I feel like you need to get more certainty in return. Gio would undoubtedly improve the XXXXXX rotation, but by no means is he a sure thing.




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