Relooking the Detroit series

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    Relooking the Detroit series

    Yes, losing 3 of 4 games is bad.  But the Sox were definitely in three four games and lost the 1st and 4th games because of Bailey twice and the caught/dropped fly ball in the 9th of the 4th game.  And maybe Bailey doesn't give up that run if Napoli knows to tag one guy before stepping on 1B.  Also in game four, Drew had the error on the bad hop, only his second of the season. 

     
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    I agree. Although the outcome wasnt good, it wasnt as bad as it might appear. We got some help from tampa and totonto this weekend, so were still in 1st place by a couple games. Need to take both games in Colorado.

     
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    I agree. Although the outcome wasnt good, it wasnt as bad as it might appear. We got some help from tampa and totonto this weekend, so were still in 1st place by a couple games. Need to take both games in Colorado.




    Those games are in Boston. As are the next four, which are against the red hot Blue Jays.

     
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    Also dont forget that this team is in first place by two games, and I dont know of one of us that thought we'd be here at the end of June. Injuries are starting to become a moderate to serious issue, and there are questions about Lester, Bailey, and Middlebrooks that need to be answered in a positive way, but we are still way ahead of where we thought we'd be.

     
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    Yes, losing 3 of 4 games is bad.  But the Sox were definitely in three four games and lost the 1st and 4th games because of Bailey twice and the caught/dropped fly ball in the 9th of the 4th game.  And maybe Bailey doesn't give up that run if Napoli knows to tag one guy before stepping on 1B.  Also in game four, Drew had the error on the bad hop, only his second of the season. 



    With solid pitching down the stretch we could have easiliy taken 3 of 4 against Detroit.  Its all about consistency in the end, right now every team in the division has been inconsistent recently except the Jays.  We need better pitching and one more big bat to seperate from the pack.

     

     

     
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    I agree. Although the outcome wasnt good, it wasnt as bad as it might appear. We got some help from tampa and totonto this weekend, so were still in 1st place by a couple games. Need to take both games in Colorado.

     




    Those games are in Boston. As are the next four, which are against the red hot Blue Jays.

     

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    Toronto is due for a few losses. The more games they win in a row, the better chance theyre going to drop a couple. But honestly the Sox need to take both games against a CarGo-less Rockies team and three of four from Tor. But with the sputtering offense and the pitching injuries, its hard to say that they will.

     
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    Yes, losing 3 of 4 games is bad.  But the Sox were definitely in three four games and lost the 1st and 4th games because of Bailey twice and the caught/dropped fly ball in the 9th of the 4th game.  And maybe Bailey doesn't give up that run if Napoli knows to tag one guy before stepping on 1B.  Also in game four, Drew had the error on the bad hop, only his second of the season. 




    A split would've been nice, but against a top AL team, on the road, without Buchholz, it's a tough series to win.

     
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    I agree. Although the outcome wasnt good, it wasnt as bad as it might appear. We got some help from tampa and totonto this weekend, so were still in 1st place by a couple games. Need to take both games in Colorado.

     




    Those games are in Boston. As are the next four, which are against the red hot Blue Jays.

     

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    meant to say against.

     
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    If a frog had a parachute it wouldn't slap it's butt on the ground every time it hopped.




    Doea a frog slap its butt on the ground every time it hops?

     

     
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    If a frog had a parachute it wouldn't slap it's butt on the ground every time it hopped.

     

     

     



    Doea a frog slap its butt on the ground every time it hops?

     

     

    Sounds uncomfortable...

     
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    Yes, losing 3 of 4 games is bad.  But the Sox were definitely in three four games and lost the 1st and 4th games because of Bailey twice and the caught/dropped fly ball in the 9th of the 4th game.  And maybe Bailey doesn't give up that run if Napoli knows to tag one guy before stepping on 1B.  Also in game four, Drew had the error on the bad hop, only his second of the season. 

     



    With solid pitching down the stretch we could have easiliy taken 3 of 4 against Detroit.  Its all about consistency in the end, right now every team in the division has been inconsistent recently except the Jays.  We need better pitching and one more big bat to seperate from the pack.

     

     

     

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    I dont think the pitching has been as bad as you think...Heres some stats, thanks to royf19....

    Doubront in his last eight starts has a 2.77 ERA and has gone six or more innings five times.

    Dempster has a 3.47 ERA in his last five starts.

    Lackey has a 2.41 ERA in his last seven starts, going at least six innings in six of them (5.2 in the other) and seven innings three times.

    Buchholz has been great when he's pitched. 

    Morales was good in his spot start at the end of May.

    Aceves has had three spot starts since the end of May (the first being May 24) and is 3-0 with a 1.59 ERA in 17 IP.

    So despite Lester's struggles, the starters still have been very strong overall. He needs to get back on track, but this is what good teams do. When one player struggles, someone else picks it up.

     
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    southpaw77 and royf19, thanks for the stats on the pitching, which was one reason, unstated, why I think these Sox ain't broken.  Still could use a good righty bat, but so far it hasn't hurt that much.  Closer, shmoser, I'm fine with Uehara or Tazawa in that role. Hitting overall looks good.  So does the defense even though Victorino on the DL will hurt. 

     
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    The real sad part is they caught Verlander on a bad day and couldn't beat him....what are they going to do when they face a Verlander or a Sabathia on a good day?

     

    "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask why.....I dream of things that never were and ask why not?"- Robert Kennedy

     
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    The real sad part is they caught Verlander on a bad day and couldn't beat him....what are they going to do when they face a Verlander or a Sabathia on a good day?

     

    "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask why.....I dream of things that never were and ask why not?"- Robert Kennedy



    Probably lose...but fortunately we only face those guys a few times a year.

     

     

     
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    The real sad part is they caught Verlander on a bad day and couldn't beat him....what are they going to do when they face a Verlander or a Sabathia on a good day?

     

    "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask why.....I dream of things that never were and ask why not?"- Robert Kennedy

     



    Probably lose...but fortunately we only face those guys a few times a year.

     

     

     

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    And if we should have to face them in the playoffs, it wont be Doubront facing Verlander.

    CC doesn't scare me much, any longer.

     
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    Yes, losing 3 of 4 games is bad.  But the Sox were definitely in three four games and lost the 1st and 4th games because of Bailey twice and the caught/dropped fly ball in the 9th of the 4th game.  And maybe Bailey doesn't give up that run if Napoli knows to tag one guy before stepping on 1B.  Also in game four, Drew had the error on the bad hop, only his second of the season. 

     



    With solid pitching down the stretch we could have easiliy taken 3 of 4 against Detroit.  Its all about consistency in the end, right now every team in the division has been inconsistent recently except the Jays.  We need better pitching and one more big bat to seperate from the pack.

     

     

     

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    How about also a manager who is more concerned about winning games that trying to help a miserable reliever regain his confidence at the expense of the team's suucces?  We're right back to the old FrancoMa days of "NOT WANTING TO LOSE HIM" claptrap that doomed us when Tito was bungling things in the dugout.  Farrencona said Bailey would not be used in high leverage situations only to go back on his word and use the guy at high leverage a situation as could be imagined.  That was just plain utter stupidity on Farrelancona"s part and it points out that he is another Tito type, good at handling players and a complete nincompoop in the dugout.  He has helped cost us four wins the past two weeks.  We cannot afford that type of inepitude.

     

     
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    Yes, losing 3 of 4 games is bad.  But the Sox were definitely in three four games and lost the 1st and 4th games because of Bailey twice and the caught/dropped fly ball in the 9th of the 4th game.  And maybe Bailey doesn't give up that run if Napoli knows to tag one guy before stepping on 1B.  Also in game four, Drew had the error on the bad hop, only his second of the season. 

     

     



    With solid pitching down the stretch we could have easiliy taken 3 of 4 against Detroit.  Its all about consistency in the end, right now every team in the division has been inconsistent recently except the Jays.  We need better pitching and one more big bat to seperate from the pack.

     

     

     

     

     

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    How about also a manager who is more concerned about winning games that trying to help a miserable reliever regain his confidence at the expense of the team's suucces?  We're right back to the old FrancoMa days of "NOT WANTING TO LOSE HIM" claptrap that doomed us when Tito was bungling things in the dugout.  Farrencona said Bailey would not be used in high leverage situations only to go back on his word and use the guy at high leverage a situation as could be imagined.  That was just plain utter stupidity on Farrelancona"s part and it points out that he is another Tito type, good at handling players and a complete nincompoop in the dugout.  He has helped cost us four wins the past two weeks.  We cannot afford that type of inepitude.

     

     

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    Yes, losing 3 of 4 games is bad.  But the Sox were definitely in three four games and lost the 1st and 4th games because of Bailey twice and the caught/dropped fly ball in the 9th of the 4th game.  And maybe Bailey doesn't give up that run if Napoli knows to tag one guy before stepping on 1B.  Also in game four, Drew had the error on the bad hop, only his second of the season. 

     

     



    With solid pitching down the stretch we could have easiliy taken 3 of 4 against Detroit.  Its all about consistency in the end, right now every team in the division has been inconsistent recently except the Jays.  We need better pitching and one more big bat to seperate from the pack.

     

     

     

     

     

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    How about also a manager who is more concerned about winning games that trying to help a miserable reliever regain his confidence at the expense of the team's suucces?  We're right back to the old FrancoMa days of "NOT WANTING TO LOSE HIM" claptrap that doomed us when Tito was bungling things in the dugout.  Farrencona said Bailey would not be used in high leverage situations only to go back on his word and use the guy at high leverage a situation as could be imagined.  That was just plain utter stupidity on Farrelancona"s part and it points out that he is another Tito type, good at handling players and a complete nincompoop in the dugout.  He has helped cost us four wins the past two weeks.  We cannot afford that type of inepitude.

     

     

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    Seabeachfred,

    Actually, you're wrong about Bailey.  I agree he is struggling right now and Farrell should use him at his peril.

    But the simple fact is that Bailey has had 12 save opportunities and 8 saves and that of the 4 blown saves the Sox won every game but the one on June 20.  Yesterday he did not blow a save and in fact was credited with a hold. 

    I say again, to date Bailey has not hurt the team because they win when he goes in, almost regardless of what he actually does.  I think this is one of the reasons why Farrell hasn't completely given up on him. 

    The proximate cause of yesterday's loss was the liner/fly Nava seemed to catch and then drop, resulting in a man on second with nobody out in the bottom of the 8th at Detroit.  That in turn led to the bunt and the error by Miller, followed by the sac fly to tie the game and a later single to give the Tigers a three run lead. 

     
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    The real sad part is they caught Verlander on a bad day and couldn't beat him....what are they going to do when they face a Verlander or a Sabathia on a good day?

     

    "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask why.....I dream of things that never were and ask why not?"- Robert Kennedy



    But they did beat Verlander. They score 4 runs against him and got him out early. The combination of a bad call and Bailey. The Red Sox should have taken 3 of 4 and would have if it wasn't for Bailey.

     
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    The real sad part is they caught Verlander on a bad day and couldn't beat him....what are they going to do when they face a Verlander or a Sabathia on a good day?

    Justin Verlander sometimes loses on his good days, as the righthander did in the only MLB game I've seen in person this year:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA201304180.shtml

     
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    The real sad part is they caught Verlander on a bad day and couldn't beat him....what are they going to do when they face a Verlander or a Sabathia on a good day?

     

    "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask why.....I dream of things that never were and ask why not?"- Robert Kennedy

     

     



    Probably lose...but fortunately we only face those guys a few times a year.

     

     

     

     

     

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    And if we should have to face them in the playoffs, it wont be Doubront facing Verlander.

     

    CC doesn't scare me much, any longer.

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    Who says...by the end of the yr, the way Doubront is pitching, he may be our game 2 starter in the playoffs. Def game 3 IMO...

     
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    The real sad part is they caught Verlander on a bad day and couldn't beat him....what are they going to do when they face a Verlander or a Sabathia on a good day?

     

    "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask why.....I dream of things that never were and ask why not?"- Robert Kennedy

     



    But they did beat Verlander. They score 4 runs against him and got him out early. The combination of a bad call and Bailey. The Red Sox should have taken 3 of 4 and would have if it wasn't for Bailey.

     

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    Can't blame Bailey unless he has the option of refusing to come into the game. The 2 losses are all on Farrell.

     
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