Report: Kevin Youkilis' Rehab Being Monitored by Phillies, Indians -Masterson for Youkilis and Buchholz?

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    Putting in Clay would be way too much.
     
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    Masterson is 1-3 with a 5.04 ERA and you want to give them BOTH Youk and Buchholz? I'll keep Youk and Buch (who has shown signs of greatness in the past). It's only May and you want to give away two frontline players for a guy who couldn't stay in the Majors when he was here?
     
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    Buchholz is better pitcher than Masterson.
     
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    Pitifully incompetent to trade Youk now. Youk doesn't decide where he plays, under the CBA. Youk needs to be put into LF. If he improves his plate numbers over several weeks, he should be retained until such time as the Red Sox trade for Justin Upton type of profile. What Cherry needs to do, that he doesn't have a clue on, is this team is not a contender as currently constructed.

    For now, Youk should be ordered to play LF, assuming the reports that he expressed wishes not to be placed there. He should not be traded until such time as the trade for a young star RH OF'er is made, and then, only if platoon profile Ross comes off the DL. Even if he retruns to decent numbers, Youk's trade value will be so low that his value is better retained unless the team is out of playoff contention or a profile like Upton is acquired and Ross returns healthy and ready for platoon duty.

    Crawford is likely due back towards the end of June. Once Crawford comes off the DL, the following roster players should be on the trade block for a young star RH OF'er like Justin Upton (DBacks have age 29 RH OF Chris Young off to excellent 2012 start, Upton off to poor 2012 start):

    Ellsbury (Current Trade Value is high 1.5 years)
    Aviles (Current Trade Value is fair)
    if DBacks require more, add up to 2 Blocked prospects @ 2B, 3B, SS & OF + 1 SP prospect (Iglesais should take over SS once Aviles is traded, Bradley should be retained, Kalish should be retained, Lavarnway should be retained, and if the Dbacks demand a top Red Sox pitching prospect instead of settling for any Red Sox pitching prospect but Barnes and Ranaudo, retain Barnes and include Ranaudo 
     
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    Masterson wouldnt crack our rotation.  He's not good.
     
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    The Red Sox winning identity has almost nothing to do with pitching.
     
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    Agree that Matterson is not that good this year.  He is now struggling just like Bucholtz.  Also Matterson is right now the #4 or #5 best starting pitcher for Cleveland.  Imagine him pitching in the tought AL east?

    I wouldnt pull the trigger.  Maybe Youkilis for Lowe, but Lowe is the best pitcher for Cleveland.  

    So therefore, there is not going to be an available player that Boston really want from Cleveland.  And with the Philly, there is no much players that Philly want to give up other than Blanton.  Blanton is pitching awful just like Bucholtz.  Stay away from him.

    I think it is better off to keep Youkilis cuz we all never know that there may be another injury!!
     
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    [QUOTE]Agree that Matterson is not that good this year.  He is now struggling just like Bucholtz.  Also Matterson is right now the #4 or #5 best starting pitcher for Cleveland.  Imagine him pitching in the tought AL east? I wouldnt pull the trigger.  Maybe Youkilis for Lowe, but Lowe is the best pitcher for Cleveland.   So therefore, there is not going to be an available player that Boston really want from Cleveland.  And with the Philly, there is no much players that Philly want to give up other than Blanton.  Blanton is pitching awful just like Bucholtz.  Stay away from him. I think it is better off to keep Youkilis cuz we all never know that there may be another injury!!
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    Uconn, 

    I very much agree with your point of view. Too many people are in such a hurry to get rid of Youk, but when he's healthy he is a very prductive member of this team who brings a passion to play that is what this team needs. The Soz are short handed as is and although Middlebrooks shows promise he might still not be ready. As for Youk's playing left, has he ever played an outfield position before !!

    H-Pete
     
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    The Sox could use another good starter, but are unlikely to find one who is reasonably priced in trade value or whatever. 

    Why put Youk in LF if you want to trade him and his best value is at 3B or 1B? 

    I don't think Masterson's the guy to go for.  He's had plenty of time as a starter to get a handle on things and hasn't.  He'd get killed in the AL East. 

    And what is this incessant clamor for a righty hitting outfielder?  Ross, imperfect as he was, was doing just fine.  Ditto Sweeney, a lefty.  And Ellsbury was only the most valuable lineup player in the AL last year.  The Sox already have plenty of hitting and scoring--2d best in the AL. 

    And they have a pretty good bullpen.  What needs fixing is the starting pitching. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Pitifully incompetent to trade Youk now. Youk doesn't decide where he plays, under the CBA. Youk needs to be put into LF. If he improves his plate numbers over several weeks, he should be retained until such time as the Red Sox trade for Justin Upton type of profile. What Cherry needs to do, that he doesn't have a clue on, is this team is not a contender as currently constructed. For now, Youk should be ordered to play LF, assuming the reports that he expressed wishes not to be placed there. He should not be traded until such time as the trade for a young star RH OF'er is made, and then, only if platoon profile Ross comes off the DL. Even if he retruns to decent numbers, Youk's trade value will be so low that his value is better retained unless the team is out of playoff contention or a profile like Upton is acquired and Ross returns healthy and ready for platoon duty. Crawford is likely due back towards the end of June. Once Crawford comes off the DL, the following roster players should be on the trade block for a young star RH OF'er like Justin Upton (DBacks have age 29 RH OF Chris Young off to excellent 2012 start, Upton off to poor 2012 start): Ellsbury (Current Trade Value is high 1.5 years) Aviles (Current Trade Value is fair) if DBacks require more, add up to 2 Blocked prospects @ 2B, 3B, SS & OF + 1 SP prospect (Iglesais should take over SS once Aviles is traded, Bradley should be retained, Kalish should be retained, Lavarnway should be retained, and if the Dbacks demand a top Red Sox pitching prospect instead of settling for any Red Sox pitching prospect but Barnes and Ranaudo, retain Barnes and include Ranaudo 
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE] No way in this lifetime do the diamondbacks hand over Upton for a 1 1/2 year rental like ellsbury who's gonna demand a long term 100 million plus contract to sign long term.Keep dreaming.
     
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    Youk can't play LF competently even if he is "ordered" to do so any more than Adrian Gonzalez can hit homeruns if he is "ordered" to.

    I still want Youk as the Sox starting third baseman.
     
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    No way in this lifetime do the diamondbacks hand over Upton for a 1 1/2 year rental like ellsbury who's gonna demand a long term 100 million plus contract to sign long term.Keep dreaming.

    Before you post drivel, engage your brain.

    1. 1.5 years isn't "a rental".

    2. Aviles and up to 3 more prospects, specically setforth above would be part of the offer

    3. Upton's contracts balloons to 14.25 million in 2014, the same year Ellsbury will be begging for a 100 million plus FA contract. Of course, Ellsbury, who will be 31 years old during the fist season of his FA contract, stands no chance of chasing the Crawbust deal that put an end to dreams of career jitterbugs ever even thinking about another stick it in and sikp town InEsptein and break it off Henry Crawbust market. Ellsbury will be in a market with a better CF slugger and more durable Curtis Granderson, is likely to get no more than 4 to 5 years in a base range of about 15M to 17M. Upton, younger and more talented, has the talent potential to command much more than that when he is eligible to become a FA at age 28 and would be only 29 during the fist season of his new FA contract.

    4. Justin Upton is a better team and league and market fit for the Red Sox than for the DBack

    5. Ellsbury is a better team and league and market fit for the Dback than for the Red Sox

    6. The Dbacks get payroll flexiblity by unloading the Upton balloon payments and late 20's Upton FA bidding process, and can decide if they want to sign Ellsbury to FA market years or move on to better value and fit options

    7. The Dbacks would get 2 MLB profiles, and Aviles would provide much needed 3B and SS depth, with the Dbacks having no proven quality option at 3B and Drew's injury recovery likely requiring more days off during 2012 season. In addition, they would get 2 or 3 prospects, one or more who would possibly help them in the second half of this season

       
     
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    Youk can't play LF competently even if he is "ordered" to do so any more than Adrian Gonzalez can hit homeruns if he is "ordered" to.

    I still want Youk as the Sox starting third baseman.


    Manny played "LF competently", and Youk can, as well.

    You can be ordered to play LF. AGon can't be ordered to "hit homeruns".

    You want a lot of things, but, fortunately, Middlebrooks is the starting 3B who has proven why youth and talent should never have been part of the bean counting for opening day, in the first place.

    Only an idiot, which may include Cherry, would bump MIddlebrooks from starting 3B in favor of an old veteran who hasn't hit a lick since last summer and who is just a few months away from a FA market that will not be pleasant for his standard of living expectations.

    Youk needs to shag fly balls in LF for at least a few weeks, if not more. Trading him now would truly incompetent, which would be par for the Cherry.
     
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    The DBacks can afford Upton at 9.25 next year...And they can handle a payroll of 75mil which they have this year, when Upton makes a mere 14.5mil for his talents in 2014-15..They will build around him...Hes going nowhere...Theres plenty of offense on this team right now to wait and see how a couple of prospects we already have in our system are going to develop...

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tnUURWBOawaGbKXOD6W_Psg&output=html
     
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    [QUOTE]The Sox could use another good starter, but are unlikely to find one who is reasonably priced in trade value or whatever.  Why put Youk in LF if you want to trade him and his best value is at 3B or 1B?  I don't think Masterson's the guy to go for.  He's had plenty of time as a starter to get a handle on things and hasn't.  He'd get killed in the AL East.  And what is this incessant clamor for a righty hitting outfielder?  Ross, imperfect as he was, was doing just fine.  Ditto Sweeney, a lefty.  And Ellsbury was only the most valuable lineup player in the AL last year.  The Sox already have plenty of hitting and scoring--2d best in the AL.  And they have a pretty good bullpen.  What needs fixing is the starting pitching. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]
    I like Masterson better than Buchholz. His career #'s vs the Al East are pretty good except for the Rays, who have owned him.  Last year he had a low 3's ERA overall and this year though his ERA is over 5 can be attributed to 2 starts of his 9.....6 of the other 7 were quality starts.....I wouldnt give up Youk and Buch for him, but at this point I would do buch/masterson even up
     
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    Masterson seems to have that same issue vs Lefties, which worries me...
     
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    Youk for D-Lowe
    Torri Hunter for $ - Angles going youth movement.
     
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    [QUOTE]No way in this lifetime do the diamondbacks hand over Upton for a 1 1/2 year rental like ellsbury who's gonna demand a long term 100 million plus contract to sign long term.Keep dreaming. Before you post drivel, engage your brain. 1. 1.5 years isn't "a rental". 2. Aviles and up to 3 more prospects, specically setforth above would be part of the offer 3. Upton's contracts balloons to 14.25 million in 2014, the same year Ellsbury will be begging for a 100 million plus FA contract. Of course, Ellsbury, who will be 31 years old during the fist season of his FA contract, stands no chance of chasing the Crawbust deal that put an end to dreams of career jitterbugs ever even thinking about another stick it in and sikp town InEsptein and break it off Henry Crawbust market. Ellsbury will be in a market with a better CF slugger and more durable Curtis Granderson, is likely to get no more than 4 to 5 years in a base range of about 15M to 17M. Upton, younger and more talented, has the talent potential to command much more than that when he is eligible to become a FA at age 28 and would be only 29 during the fist season of his new FA contract. 4. Justin Upton is a better team and league and market fit for the Red Sox than for the DBack 5. Ellsbury is a better team and league and market fit for the Dback than for the Red Sox 6. The Dbacks get payroll flexiblity by unloading the Upton balloon payments and late 20's Upton FA bidding process, and can decide if they want to sign Ellsbury to FA market years or move on to better value and fit options 7. The Dbacks would get 2 MLB profiles, and Aviles would provide much needed 3B and SS depth, with the Dbacks having no proven quality option at 3B and Drew's injury recovery likely requiring more days off during 2012 season. In addition, they would get 2 or 3 prospects, one or more who would possibly help them in the second half of this season    
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE] The only drivel being posted is anyone dumb enough[hankwilliamsjr] talking about trading an expensive injured ells with a huge contract in his immediate future and a couple of 2nd rate prospects for a stud like Upton.You need a ton more brain cells cause the ones you got are highly lacking in their life's work.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Report: Kevin Youkilis' Rehab Being Monitored by Phillies, Indians -Masterson for Youkilis and Buchholz? : I would like the Sox to get Masterson back.
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE]

    Have you seen Masterson pitch this year? He's been pretty bad. ERA over 5 and WHIP at 1.50.
     
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    [QUOTE]Masterson is 1-3 with a 5.04 ERA and you want to give them BOTH Youk and Buchholz? I'll keep Youk and Buch (who has shown signs of greatness in the past). It's only May and you want to give away two frontline players for a guy who couldn't stay in the Majors when he was here?
    Posted by aleeco[/QUOTE]
    Justin Masterson, who is ninth months younger than Clay Buchholz, had a peak WAR* of 4.9 in 2011 after WAR of 2.1 and 2.7 in 2009 and 2010.

    Buchholz had a peak WAR of 3.8 in 2010 with WAR of 1.3 in 2009 and 1.1 in 2011.


    Buchholz has a 2012 WAR of a negative 0.5 while Masterson has a 2012 WAR of 0.4.

    Masterson has a career WAR of 10.9 in 669 innings while Buchholz has a career WAR of 7.3 in 496.1 innings.

    Masterson remains under his team's control for two more arbitration years working off his 2012 salary of $3,825 million. Under his contract extension, Buchholz will earn $3.5 million in 2012, $5.5 million in 2013, $7.7 million in 2014 and $12 million in 2015 with a $265,000 buyout of a $13 million option for 2016 and a $500,000 buyout of a $13.5 million option for 2017.

    Given their respective struggles this season, Buchholz's contract would seem to be the riskier of the two.

    * Wins Above Replacement as reported at FanGraphs
     
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    [QUOTE]Pitifully incompetent to trade Youk now. Youk doesn't decide where he plays, under the CBA. Youk needs to be put into LF. If he improves his plate numbers over several weeks, he should be retained until such time as the Red Sox trade for Justin Upton type of profile. What Cherry needs to do, that he doesn't have a clue on, is this team is not a contender as currently constructed. For now, Youk should be ordered to play LF, assuming the reports that he expressed wishes not to be placed there. He should not be traded until such time as the trade for a young star RH OF'er is made, and then, only if platoon profile Ross comes off the DL. Even if he retruns to decent numbers, Youk's trade value will be so low that his value is better retained unless the team is out of playoff contention or a profile like Upton is acquired and Ross returns healthy and ready for platoon duty. Crawford is likely due back towards the end of June. Once Crawford comes off the DL, the following roster players should be on the trade block for a young star RH OF'er like Justin Upton (DBacks have age 29 RH OF Chris Young off to excellent 2012 start, Upton off to poor 2012 start): Ellsbury (Current Trade Value is high 1.5 years) Aviles (Current Trade Value is fair) if DBacks require more, add up to 2 Blocked prospects @ 2B, 3B, SS & OF + 1 SP prospect (Iglesais should take over SS once Aviles is traded, Bradley should be retained, Kalish should be retained, Lavarnway should be retained, and if the Dbacks demand a top Red Sox pitching prospect instead of settling for any Red Sox pitching prospect but Barnes and Ranaudo, retain Barnes and include Ranaudo 
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

    Why are you assuming Ellsbury will be back by midseason? Just hope he comes back next year, has a good year and can be dumped at the 2013 trading dealine. He won't be back this year until August at best.
     
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    Buch and Youk for Masterson--there is no way the Indians would make that trade without the GM being fired.

    Masterson is a better pitcher than Buch is getting paid less and is not facing some problems that will take the remaineder of the season , if not longer . to remedy.

    and then relieving the Sox of Youks salary...make the trade if ever it's available.

    Or Youk for Blanton then trade Blanton.
     
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