Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    The more I think about it, the more shameful I find it.  It just drives home the point that this management group views players only as #'s and commodities and has little appreciation for the human element of this game.  Bringing in some random, to throw on a uniform and pitch the biggest game of the year, pathetic.

     Hey Theo, the regular season is over in a few hours, if this team doesn't have a guy to pitch tomorrow that is on you, don't embarress the Red Sox further with this stunt. 

    Bring in Pedro and/or Schill for Thursday if you want to do something epic.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    I would be more ashamed of Theo if he allowed Tito to start Wakefield in that game.

    That would be suicide.

    I'd take my chances with Lackey or Doubront before starting Wakefield or trading for a washed-up Bruce Chen.

     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

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    The more I think about it, the more shameful I find it.  It just drives home the point that this management group views players only as #'s and commodities and has little appreciation for the human element of this game.  Bringing in some random, to throw on a uniform and pitch the biggest game of the year, pathetic.  Hey Theo, the regular season is over in a few hours, if this team doesn't have a guy to pitch tomorrow that is on you, don't embarress the Red Sox further with this stunt.  Bring in Pedro and/or Schill for Thursday if you want to do something epic.
    Posted by Thesemenarecowards


    Great post and I agree with you 100%.  Theo should have acquired someone when Dice-K was injured, which was a long-time ago. 
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    In Response to Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?:
    In Response to Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt? : Great post and I agree with you 100%.  Theo should have acquired someone when Dice-K was injured, which was a long-time ago. 
    Posted by susan250

    Exactly. What an embarassment this season has become. Really Theo, Bruce Chen???
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    Lackey at least had a solid putting in ny and is known to be a big game pitcher. I'd roll the dice in him instead of anyone else.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    How about we look at from this perspective....at least Epstein is still trying...sorry but Lackey's feelings are the least of the concerns...If they do indeed get Chen then I'll be pulling hard for him...best case is that we win and the Rays lose tonight...
     
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    I would be more ashamed of Theo if he allowed Tito to start Wakefield in that game. That would be suicide. I'd take my chances with Lackey or Doubront before starting Wakefield or trading for a washed-up Bruce Chen.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    You start Lackey.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    Man up and put Lackey in if there is a play-in game. Use multi-pen arms if Lackey struggles and get Buch in to start off an inning and try and get an inning or so from Buch. All hands on deck, except Wastefield.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    The other piece to this puzzle, is IF, there is a 1 game play-off with TB and IF the Red Sox win that, then who do you throw game 1 on Friday?  Beckett would be on short rest, he could go on regular rest in game 2 and still come back to pitch game 5 on normal rest because of travel days.  Game 3 would be Lester on regular rest, but game 1 would likely have to be Lackey, Wake, or Miller I guess.  If you somehow steal that 1, you'd be loving your chances then!

    Obviously getting way ahead of myself here......
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    yes it would be pathetic, better call Alex Wilson up as a surprise as Lavarnway, call Okajima up, use 1-2 ip Buchholz, 1-2 Lackey, 1-2 Doubront, Tazawa or others from the pen

    ....or go like this also today, given the bad status of Lester, using him tomorrow with early hook
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    This would be a desperation move, you could pitch lackey for 3 innings and bring in clay for 3 and hope the bullpen can handle the rest, but either way we are in trouble.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    Frankly, I don't give two cents about Lackey's feelings. His Lack of success this year, has been most of his own doing (personal problems aside). That being said, I think you give the ball to him, because I think he'll stand-up to the pressure. His last outing wasn't stellar, but it wasn't bad either.

    As for this Bruce Chen rumor. Get real Theo!
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    you stick with our team, our guys...flat out!  like a lizard drinking...
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    In Response to Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?:
    I would be more ashamed of Theo if he allowed Tito to start Wakefield in that game. That would be suicide. I'd take my chances with Lackey or Doubront before starting Wakefield or trading for a washed-up Bruce Chen.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    Any disrespect that John or Wake would feel towards management bringing in a guy like Chen would be sensless.  We need a big win, I'm not saying Chen is the guy but neither are Wake or John have pitched well this season..
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    Go with Doubrount and then patchwork from the pen if he starts giving it up.  Lackey will give up 4 in the first inning and 3 more in the 3rd, you don't want that.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    You start Lackey.  Theo is paying him to be a playoff caliber starter and that was the idea from day 1 of his signing.  If he's injured, that would be one thing.  But, absent that, it's his time to shine and you give him the ball.  If he fails, it's just another reason to criticize the signing.  If he succeeds like he's supposed to, then it helps ease some of the pain of all the failures he has had since he got to Boston.  There's NO WAY you acquire Bruce Chen to come in and start a do-or-die playoff game only to flush him afterwards.  PERIOD.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    if they do this i will root against the sox...i did not spend the entire year rooting foir a team so that they could have some mercenary with no ties to the organization start over a rested Miller (who i think is the best option)...shoot i would accept wake/weiland...anyone but this scenario
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    Am I alone in not having a problem with this?  IMO it's like exploiting a loop-hole that the play-in game is not treated like a playoff.  Chen doesn't really thrill me, but what about trading Lars Anderson (or another blocked guy) and a rule 5 guy that we wouldn't sign anyway for Hiroki Kuroda, who is likely a type-b, possibly type a FA?  
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

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    Am I alone in not having a problem with this?  IMO it's like exploiting a loop-hole that the play-in game is not treated like a playoff.   
    Posted by slomag


    Obviously, the only goal the Sox should have is to win the game so they can make the playoffs.  So, from that perspective, I agree with you in not having a problem with exploiting a loophole in the rules.

    The question really becomes is Chen or Kuroda, who are unfamiliar with this team, these catchers, this system, going to give you a better chance to win that game than Lackey or Wakefield.  Based on the way those two guys have pitched in the past few months, it's hard for me to stomp the ground for them.  But, both Wake and Lackey have pitched in big games in their career and do have that comfort level with this team.  I think there's something to be said for that and so I'd go with Lackey.  With that said, I have to swallow hard to put my trust in Lackey.  But, I still think it's the right move.   
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    In Response to Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?:
    In Response to Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt? : Obviously, the only goal the Sox should have is to win the game so they can make the playoffs.  So, from that perspective, I agree with you in not having a problem with exploiting a loophole in the rules. The question really becomes is Chen or Kuroda, who are unfamiliar with this team, these catchers, this system, going to give you a better chance to win that game than Lackey or Wakefield.  Based on the way those two guys have pitched in the past few months, it's hard for me to stomp the ground for them.  But, both Wake and Lackey have pitched in big games in their career and do have that comfort level with this team.  I think there's something to be said for that and so I'd go with Lackey.  With that said, I have to swallow hard to put my trust in Lackey.  But, I still think it's the right move.   
    Posted by RedGatorSox

    Don't forget - if we play and win tomorrow, we play the following two days as well, before getting a day off.  So if we get that far, the choices are 1) trust Lackey in the playin game and Wake in 1 or 2 of the ALDS or 2) pitch both Beckett & Bedard on three days rest.  


     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    John Lackey will just sit and pout for the whole game.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

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    In Response to Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt? : Don't forget - if we play and win tomorrow, we play the following two days as well, before getting a day off.  So if we get that far, the choices are 1) trust Lackey in the playin game and Wake in 1 or 2 of the ALDS or 2) pitch both Beckett & Bedard on three days rest.  
    Posted by slomag


    Assuming it comes down to winning a play in game and then game 1 of the ALDS, I think you go with the "whoever is available/rested" option in game 1 then throw Beckett game 2 and Lester game 3 on normal rest. 

    You would never do it intentionally but if you can steal a game 1 with a lesser starter that is a huge edge, think Wake in 2004 WS.  After the Red Sox win game 1 with Wake it is Schill/Pedro 4 times in the next 6 games, series over.
     
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    Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?

    In Response to Re: Report: Red Sox considering Bruce Chen for the play-in game tomorrow; if they do, would John Lackey's feeling be hurt?:
    I would be more ashamed of Theo if he allowed Tito to start Wakefield in that game. That would be suicide. I'd take my chances with Lackey or Doubront before starting Wakefield or trading for a washed-up Bruce Chen.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    +++++! !! second that.
     
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