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    Ramon Hernandez, 35 years old with a good bat. Soild backup catcher at this stage in his career.
    Not a fan of Lowrie, Too fragile, too streaky. Scutaro is a pro, who doesn't hurt you. Iggy? You'd need Vlad circa 1999 in RF or Mike Schmidt at 3rd to balance his inability to hit on an everyday basis.
    Middlebrooks is interesting. In the old days, teams would force feed a prospect if there was a need at a given position. If he's good defensively and RF is settled, why not?
    I like Aviles as the super sub.
     
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    Michael Morse would be an excellent addition to the Sox. Big, 6'5", 230 in 2011 hit .303, 31, 95 and played LF for  the Nats. Also played some 1B after Adam LaRouche went down and the Nats were going to move him to RF for the 2012 season. Not a kid, will be 30 to start 2012 season, not a gold glover but defense is adequate. Morse and Lavarnway at DH would solve the Sox lack of RH power. I'd rather the Sox give Kalish a long look in ST, Sox need to get younger and start playing their prime prospects rather than stockpiling them for trade bait. Lavarnway, Middlebrooks, Renaudo and Kalish rated in most minor league top 100 prospect lists I've seen. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Wright is four years younger than Youkilis, and should still be in his prime. Maybe with someone different calling the shots, they can make better judgements on free agent pitchers? Free agency does provide a means to just spend money and use other chips in trading for various needs. Now, enlighten us as to Hardy's secret problem. The guy can play. The O's gave him an extention, so if he was so egregious for whatever reason, it didn't matter to Showalter and company.
    Posted by GhostofTito[/QUOTE]

    Four years younger or not, Wright had stress fractures in his spinal column that lead to an extended stay on the DL this year.  That could have HUGE future implications on his career. 

    As for Hardy, you're kidding, right?  Hardy is a good ballplyer, but he is injured all the time.  He maanged to play 129 games this year, which is his highest total since 2008.   The Brewers got what they could for him.  The Twins were desperate for a SS, and they decided to get rid of him ASAP.  The Orioles took a shot, but certainly not one on the same level as the Twins, and acquired him for a minor leaguer and a AAAA pitcher.

    Hindsight might tell you a lot about JJ Hardy, but the man was a health question mark all along, which is why Minnesota walked away even after giving up a guy they liked enough to ask for in the Johan Santana deal.

    And free agency is  bad for teams.  Occcasionally a player works out, but nealy every big contract becomes an albatross at some point.  Anyone advocating long term deals for pitchers and thinking that all the team needs a a different set of eyes making the judgments is missing the biggest point in the whole process.  That's like telling me the Titanic just needed a different set of eyes watching the iceberg.  And please don't come back with "But CC worked out, and this guy worked out."  That will take like 4 seconds to prove as the exceptions and not the rules.

    I don't think you know as much as you think you know...
     
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    Wright has the same injury as Buchholz. So what? Wright was cleared by medical people who know one hell of a lot more than you.
    Oh, I forgot. You claim to know the Unknown Soldier.
    Also, you stayed at a Holiday Inn, which gives you a false sense of knowledge.
    I doubt you know nearly as much as you think you do.
     
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    Ramon Hernandez, 35 years old with a good bat. Soild backup catcher at this stage in his career.

    FYI

    Ramon's OPS:
    Age 31  .714
    32  .714
    33  .699
    34  .792
    35  .788

    36    ?

    VTek's OPS:
    32  .872
    33  .856
    34  .725
    35  .787

    36  .672
    37  .703
    38  .766
    39  .723
     
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    [QUOTE]Again another ludacris Ellsbury trade proposal. And why do people still think that the Dodgers, AKA Bud Selig, would trade their best players when the team is obviously going to be sold. No value in a team that has no talent. I just dont see it happening, for multiple reasons. 1. Kemp isn't going anywhere till his contract is up, MLB won't allow it. 2. Why trade Ellsbury, who has potential to be betterthan Kemp) for Kemp??? 3. Didn't anyone learn there lesson with the last Dodger outfielder to come here??? 4. Don't need Eithier either... He is Carlos Quentin but from the left side...
    Posted by JDShorty[/QUOTE]

    Just for starters:

    ludacris=  rapper
    ludicrous=  ridiculous

    there-no
    their- yes

    Now that we have reached a literate level, point #2:

    Why trade Ellsbury?  Because he has zero chance of signing in Boston as a free agent.  The Red Sox would be stupid not to look at trading him.

    Point #3: You don't want Kemp because a Dodger outfielder came to Boston you didn't like?  (Dave Roberts? Oh, Drew, the '07 playoff hero)  The best player in the league Kemp??  THAT KEMP?

    So by your logic the Sox shouldn't want Jared Weaver because the last Anaheim starting pitcher to come here was John Lackey?

    Really?

    When you get done with remedial English, try a logic course.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: RF : Four years younger or not, Wright had stress fractures in his spinal column that lead to an extended stay on the DL this year.  That could have HUGE future implications on his career.  As for Hardy, you're kidding, right?  Hardy is a good ballplyer, but he is injured all the time.  He maanged to play 129 games this year, which is his highest total since 2008.   The Brewers got what they could for him.  The Twins were desperate for a SS, and they decided to get rid of him ASAP.  The Orioles took a shot, but certainly not one on the same level as the Twins, and acquired him for a minor leaguer and a AAAA pitcher. Hindsight might tell you a lot about JJ Hardy, but the man was a health question mark all along, which is why Minnesota walked away even after giving up a guy they liked enough to ask for in the Johan Santana deal. And free agency is  bad for teams.  Occcasionally a player works out, but nealy every big contract becomes an albatross at some point.  Anyone advocating long term deals for pitchers and thinking that all the team needs a a different set of eyes making the judgments is missing the biggest point in the whole process.  That's like telling me the Titanic just needed a different set of eyes watching the iceberg.  And please don't come back with "But CC worked out, and this guy worked out."  That will take like 4 seconds to prove as the exceptions and not the rules. I don't think you know as much as you think you know...
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    Notin,
    I tend to agree with many of your points. Wright is exactly the type of player we don't need but he's also exactly what we do need which is a 3B with power to man the hot corner for the "future" (Middleton?)...Remeber this is Youk's last season under contract with a team option for 2013 for a player that is now 33 and has had a history of nagging injuries that have kept him out of the lineup for long stretches. One who's recovering from a sports hernia and also it appears might be headed down the same path as Lowell with a chronic hip injury...So with that I'd have to place aquiring a 3B high on the 2012 to-do list (Aviles?). Those that are quick to trade Youk forget that at this point his trade value is nill and will be until he comes back, shows himself to be healthy and can pass a team physical. If we trade him it won't be until late this spring if at all...

    As for Hardy, when healthy he's a plus defender with some pop. He too is the type of player the Sox need to stear clear of, we don't need to add players with a history of chronic injuries. We've got that market already cornered. I think Scutaro did just fine last year and I wouldn't have a problem bringing him back not a big fan of his range but he's a grinder and pro's pro...Signing him allows us to give Inglesias another year of development to see actally what we have remember he's still just 21. If they chose to pass on Scutaro there's other options not names Jose Reyes out there...

    While I agree that it's prudent to steer clear of signing big money free agents and there's many examples of players that signed and never lived up to the terms (Lackey). There are also many examples of players that did (Sabathia). While some were compromised by injuries (Santana). To me if you sign a guy to a market value 7 year deal. I would have to think that the expectation is that the player would, when healthy, perform at a high level throughout the terms of the deal to at minimum his expected career norms.

    Where we differ is that I don't think it prudent to elimanate signing free agents as rule due to what might be the fear of injury and or under performance...but rather making sure that you've done your due dilligence and that the teams medical staff and baseball people have confidence in the players ability to keep himself in top physical condition without the need for enhancement and that he posses the character and abilities that are projectable for the life of the deal...

    the reality is that no team can win it every year and if by signing a free agent it helps to propell you to a title then in my mind it was worth it! even if that player never lives to the terms of the deal...because what is often overlooked by all of the sabremetric stat heads is the impact signing a player has on the team and the message sent by ownership that they're in it to win it...Matsusaka, JD Drew and Julio Lugo all played key roles in our championship run in 2007 and we almost made it in 2008...each of them are often cited by many on this board as bad signings but would we have won it had Drew not taken Carmona deep and or would we have even made the post season had not Matsusaka given us 200 innings during the regular season? We'll never know the answer to that hypothetical but what we do know is that we did win it...
     
     
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    IWhy would you want to bring in any of those players. Give a kid a shot at it first. None of them is a game changer and other teams problems just become yours ala Lackey. Look at this first and then see where you can improve your team most.
    Remove from the roster; Lackey at any cost,  Ortiz. Wakefield, Viatek, Lowriem youkilis,  Drew, Josh Beckett, all releivers but Bard Pappelbo, Acves and Albert. Some will have to be by trading them but its time. Then see where you stand and start thee rebiulding process. You still have enough talent to contend and who knows what might happen ala SF

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    [QUOTE]Apparently, consensus is that Michael Cuddyer is the perfect RF for the Red Sox, presumably based on the fact that he bats right-handed and is available.  No one is overly concerned that overall, he is a horrific defensive player.  Fangraphs rates him the second worst defensive RF over the last 3 years, ahead of only Carlos Quentin.   So the fact that he can swing a bat from the desired side of the plate should outweigh putting him in charge of defending arguably the toughest RF in the majors? Hopefully before the contract gts drawn up, the team explores a few other options. Including, but not limited to: David DeJesus – A free agent the Sox have tried to get before.  He does lack power number and hits left-handed, but has the range and arm to handle RF at Fenway. Cody Ross – Free agent who kills LHP and makes for a good platoon partner.  Ross plays all 3 OF positions, although his CF is nothing to get excited about.  He probably won’t command elite money, either. Franklin Gutierrez – Seattle has been stocking up on OF the past few months, and might make Gutierrez expendable.  He has not hit much the last 2 years as he has battled some injuries and ailments. He is an outstanding defender whose skills earned him the best nickname in baseball – “Death to Flying Things.”  He would need to bounce back offensively, and I have no idea what Seattle would want in return, although we can assume it is offense in some form. Michael Morse – He does bring RHH power to the table, although little else. Washington might move him in the right deal.  His defense as an OF certainly won’t earn him any awards and may not be the best fit, although he probably works over Cuddyer, potentially both offensively and defensively.  His two minor league suspensions for steroids should not be forgotten. Corey Hart – It’s unlikely the Brewers destroy and rebuild in the very likely event Fielder plays elsewhere, but Hart could probably be had in the right deal.  Not a great defender despite his surprising speed, but does have decent power from right side.  Think of him as Hunter Pence-Lite. Will Venable – Surprisingly undervalued player for San Diego.  He does bolster his offensive stats by only hitting primarily against RHP in a platoon, but is a very good all-around OF.  He might not be the best fit, given he is a LHH speed-oriented player and the Sox already have 2 of those in the OF, but Venable is most definitely a contributor when he plays. Melky Cabrera – Don’t laugh.  Cabrera slugged .518 from the right side this year, and had a surprising year at the plate.   Fast enough to cover RF at Fenway and has a spectacular throwing arm.  The Royals won’t give him away, but might be willing to move him given the presence of Lorenzo Cain. Aaron Rowand – Certainly not the top choice, but obviously can be had quickly.  More of a lost ditch effort, but might be capable of turning it all around. Ryan Ludwick – Has shown some offensive ability in the past, but has recently returned to injury-prone origins.  But is a free agent for the taking. Xavier Paul – Expendable in Pittsiburgh due to their talented young OF.  Paul is one of those all-tools guys who has just never put it all together.  A lot of raw potential that would not surprise anyone if it remained untapped.  Might not be a bad option to platoon with Kalish or Reddick. Kendry Morales – Would the Angels move him and let Trumbo take over first base?  What would it take to acquire him?  Probably not the best defensive fit for RF at Fenway, and there are very significant durability concerns, but the upside is too tempting to ignore.  
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    [QUOTE]Wright has the same injury as Buchholz. So what? Wright was cleared by medical people who know one hell of a lot more than you. Oh, I forgot. You claim to know the Unknown Soldier. Also, you stayed at a Holiday Inn, which gives you a false sense of knowledge. I doubt you know nearly as much as you think you do.
    Posted by GhostofTito[/QUOTE]

    Yes, Wright was cleared to play, but back injuries rarely simply go away.  Ask anyone who has had one.  Wright might be good in 2012 and 2013, but then, maybe not.  I'm sure by the time Opening Day roles around, Youkilis will have also been given medical clearance; does that guarantee him to be 100%?  Does it mean he stopped "breaking down?"  Saying Wright has the same injury as a guy who has not played since it was diagnosed is not exactly the most assuring thing I have ever heard.

    I think Wright is a helluva player, but I would not ignore his back injury as say "oh yea, that is gone now."  He is 4 years younger than Youkilis, but I wouldn't go assuming everything with either one is smooth sailing from here on in, and I certainly wouldn't right of Youkilis just yet.

    I noticed you seem to have lost interest in defending Hardy.  After your intitial extremely snotty questions, did you finally see the possibility that the guy's recurring  injury problem was why he was always available? 

    Maybe tomorrow you will read this and think "Gee, Youklilis and Wright are both signed for one more year (each with an option), and both have been hit hard with injuries lately, although the ones on Youkilis are less likely to create to recur and create future difficulties.  So trying to get David Wright for one season coming off back surgery might not really be as rewarding as intially thought."

    After all, say you deal for Wright, giving up something of value, and Wright is AWFUL next year, with a mixture of injuries and simply bad performance.  Do you pick up his $16mill option?

    And next time, please try to be a little more original with your parting shots.  Simply copying mine was about as weak as it gets...
     
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    About knowing the Unknown Soldier? When  did you ever write that?
    About you staying at a Holiday Inn? When did you ever write that?
    Case closed. Next!
    Too bad, because I really like your posts, and agree with most of what you have to say.
    I'll go you one further. Free agency has ruined baseball. I used to follow guys like Yaz, Evans and Rice in their climb through the minors. You got a chance to see them come up and develop. They became our players, year in and year out.
    Now, people watch a player for a few years, and if he's really good, then you have to hold your breath when he reaches free agency.
    In places like KC, Cleveland, and the many small market teams, you know the chances of keeping them are slight. Even a rich team like the Sox, may choose not to go hard after a player of theirs turning free agent.
    I think it makes it harder to bond with a team. Baseball is an individual sport.
    While we root for the team, we all have our favorite player or players.
    It's not like the days when you could look at a player, and think he'd be around for a decade or more, barring injury or trades.
    Free agency makes player movement much more fluid, and damages loyalties real or imagined.
     
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    Wouldn't mind a Lackey for Alex Rios Swap. Rios is one year removed from a decent year. Same number of years left, less money.
     
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    Youkilis' injuries may not sound "bad" individually, but collectively - paired with his "physique," they scream DECLINE.  Kevin overate, and now he's paying the price.  Happens in one's 30's.

    David Wright ... why?  He's a Met, he's expensive, he's often injured.

    Youkilis' trade value is so skewed at this point you just need to hang on to him, I think, and hold your breath hoping he doesn't bend over and reach for the remote at home ... and tear something else.  Then, either he can contribute (again), or his trade value rises.  Right now, you'd be selling at a low point, which is dumb.

    Also getting very, very tired of posts around here that assume that minor league players are future MLB contributors.  Remember when Lars Anderson was going to render David Ortiz obsolete?  Hmm, how'd that go?  Iglesias, Middlebrooks and Lavarnway are PROSPECTS.  If you want to compete for the post season every year, you don't plan around expected MLB contribution from prospects.  You hope they do; you don't gamble on it being a sure thing.

    The RS won't contend next year, so we ought to look at the 2012 FA class as well. 

    As for Ellsbury never signing here as a FA - I'd say that's true *at this moment,* but "things can change," and one thing's for sure: that club house is not going to feel the same next year.  He might be happier.
     
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    We've gotten off the topic.
    Cuddyer should be signed for LF and if Crawford is still here after what has been said by John Henry he should be moved to a larger part of Fenway that might be more suited to him.
    After watching some of the playoff games we don't need an all star at every position. The names John Jay, the MN cast off Nick Punto, Craig, Bettancourt,
    Inge, Rayburn, Delmon Young, these are just a sampling of players that have found a niche. 
    Great to get household names but these players are nice players and there are many more like them that are waiting for an opportunity to contribute on the large stage. What we need is an evaluator of talent and be very selective to find that diamond in the rough.
    Truthfully we have a few diamonds that need good honest evaluators. Middlebrooks, Kalish, Reddick, Lavarnway, Aviles, Lowrie, Spears, Hassan, Lin,Brentz, Viles, Butler then some of the young pitchers waiting for a chance Barnes, Rinaudo, Tazawa, Alex Wilson--these are all kids waiting for that chance. 
     
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    If you go over to moonslav's thread on 2012, he lays out just how good the lineup was this year.  Really, only LF and RF were clearly below par. 

    I like the idea of just assuming Crawford will get better and don't agree he needs to be moved to CF or RF. 

    That leaves RF, and I am fine with making a smart move or trade on someone else's rightfielder or even trying to get by with Reddick/Kalish.  RF was not productive this year, but the lineup overall was still very good. 

    By all means, dump Ellsbury for maybe a middle reliever or a lefty.  Ellsbury was only the  best player on the team this year, especially in September, so there is no need to hang onto him.  
     
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    [QUOTE]Apparently, consensus is that Michael Cuddyer is the perfect RF for the Red Sox, presumably based on the fact that he bats right-handed and is available.  No one is overly concerned that overall, he is a horrific defensive player.  Fangraphs rates him the second worst defensive RF over the last 3 years, ahead of only Carlos Quentin.   So the fact that he can swing a bat from the desired side of the plate should outweigh putting him in charge of defending arguably the toughest RF in the majors? Hopefully before the contract gts drawn up, the team explores a few other options. Including, but not limited to: David DeJesus – A free agent the Sox have tried to get before.  He does lack power number and hits left-handed, but has the range and arm to handle RF at Fenway. Cody Ross – Free agent who kills LHP and makes for a good platoon partner.  Ross plays all 3 OF positions, although his CF is nothing to get excited about.  He probably won’t command elite money, either. Franklin Gutierrez – Seattle has been stocking up on OF the past few months, and might make Gutierrez expendable.  He has not hit much the last 2 years as he has battled some injuries and ailments. He is an outstanding defender whose skills earned him the best nickname in baseball – “Death to Flying Things.”  He would need to bounce back offensively, and I have no idea what Seattle would want in return, although we can assume it is offense in some form. Michael Morse – He does bring RHH power to the table, although little else. Washington might move him in the right deal.  His defense as an OF certainly won’t earn him any awards and may not be the best fit, although he probably works over Cuddyer, potentially both offensively and defensively.  His two minor league suspensions for steroids should not be forgotten. Corey Hart – It’s unlikely the Brewers destroy and rebuild in the very likely event Fielder plays elsewhere, but Hart could probably be had in the right deal.  Not a great defender despite his surprising speed, but does have decent power from right side.  Think of him as Hunter Pence-Lite. Will Venable – Surprisingly undervalued player for San Diego.  He does bolster his offensive stats by only hitting primarily against RHP in a platoon, but is a very good all-around OF.  He might not be the best fit, given he is a LHH speed-oriented player and the Sox already have 2 of those in the OF, but Venable is most definitely a contributor when he plays. Melky Cabrera – Don’t laugh.  Cabrera slugged .518 from the right side this year, and had a surprising year at the plate.   Fast enough to cover RF at Fenway and has a spectacular throwing arm.  The Royals won’t give him away, but might be willing to move him given the presence of Lorenzo Cain. Aaron Rowand – Certainly not the top choice, but obviously can be had quickly.  More of a lost ditch effort, but might be capable of turning it all around. Ryan Ludwick – Has shown some offensive ability in the past, but has recently returned to injury-prone origins.  But is a free agent for the taking. Xavier Paul – Expendable in Pittsiburgh due to their talented young OF.  Paul is one of those all-tools guys who has just never put it all together.  A lot of raw potential that would not surprise anyone if it remained untapped.  Might not be a bad option to platoon with Kalish or Reddick. Kendry Morales – Would the Angels move him and let Trumbo take over first base?  What would it take to acquire him?  Probably not the best defensive fit for RF at Fenway, and there are very significant durability concerns, but the upside is too tempting to ignore.  
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    notin,

    I'm not sure anyone on the list fits what we really need but I agree Cabrera might be one guy who could help our lineup.  I'm still leaning towards Cuddyer, with the possibility of losing veterans like Wake, Tek, Drew and possibly even Papi I think Mike would be the most reliable fit offensively and in the club house.  I'm willing to sacrafice a little defense.


     
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    I like Francoeur.
     
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    One guy wo would be amazing in the Sox outfield is Mike Stanton from FLA. I don't know what it would take to get him, but I think they should go for a young potential star instead of an older veteran. He's got defense, pop, and has an ok average. He's also going to be worth some cash, which the Marlins have never been a fan of giving out. Possibly use kalish, the package gotten for Theo and maybe Iggy. I think they'd love Iggy there because it would give them another option to possibly get rid of Hanley if he becomes too much of a malcontent. (for the record I'm not liking any potential Hanley to Boston deal...great player, horrible attitude). 
     
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    Marlins are getting a new stadium, which will help them spend more (or at least that's the theory ...).  Not to mention cheap teams don't give up above-average players that they control for below-average money.

    I'm with Max on being willing to get by with Reddick/Kalish/Nava-types ... when you look @ the roster, RF was an offensive hole but it's not as if the Sox had a weak offense.  Their offensive needs -- across 40 spots -- are:
    * right-handed power
    * consistency

    You would HOPE that Youkilis -- who is currently at a low point in trade value and so unlikely to be traded -- could pick up some of the RH power slack.  And there's a chance that Lavarnway may be able to contribute some.  Consistency is going to be tasked to the incoming coaching staff.

    Looking at needs from RF, immediately there is a need for good defense.  Reddick made some serious gaffes during Thee Epick Collapse.  Can Kalish field?  Crawford simply won't make the throws, and he's not going to be put over there.

    Aside from that, the next two best features in a RFer would be overall contribution (e.g., good worker, no stupid baserunning mistakes, doesn't make a face like someone peed on him when asked to bunt, etc.) and affordability.  The latter so you can spend on players at other positions who have a bigger chance to make a difference.

    I'd be fine with a .260 hitter if he's a guy with his head screwed on straight.
     
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    Mike Stanton may be the best young power hitter in baseball.
    He's 21 years old and hit 34 homers last year.
    He has power to all fields.
    This guy is just a baby, and his upside is scary.
    The Marlins won't trade him. He's part Cuban, and plays to potential Miami demographics.
    Not happening until he goes for free agency. He'll only be 25 when that happens, as he played 100 games last year at age 20.
     
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    What about Francoeur?
     
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    [QUOTE]Mike Stanton may be the best young power hitter in baseball. He's 21 years old and hit 34 homers last year. He has power to all fields. This guy is just a baby, and his upside is scary. The Marlins won't trade him. He's part Cuban, and plays to potential Miami demographics. Not happening until he goes for free agency. He'll only be 25 when that happens, as he played 100 games last year at age 20.
    Posted by GhostofTito[/QUOTE]
    According to Cot's Baseball Contracts, Mike Stanton had only 118 days of MLB service in 2010, so he won't be a free agent until after the 2016 season (he'll be a so-called Super Two after the 2012 season).

    I agree that the Marlins will keep this gifted, cost-controlled 21-year-old.
     
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    Marlins are getting a new stadium, which will help them spend more (or at least that's the theory ...).  Not to mention cheap teams don't give up above-average players that they control for below-average money.

    I am not sure the uptick in attendance will pay for the stadium and have anything leftover for upgrading salary. We are not sure that even if profits do increase, that the team will raise their payroll budget. The fact is the Marlins have a history of not paying top dollar to anyone. Johnson and HanRam will be paid about half of the total team salary next year. This does not mean they will trade one or both of them, but I am certain they will entertain reasonable offers.
     
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    [QUOTE]What about Francoeur?
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]KC signed him to an extension during the season. It would appear they won't be looking to sell low on him...but he has the right profile for a platoon role...
     
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    Yeah, a few of us mentioned him in July... oh well...
     
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    "About knowing the Unknown Soldier? When  did you ever write that?
    About you staying at a Holiday Inn? When did you ever write that?
    Case closed. Next!
    Too bad, because I really like your posts, and agree with most of what you have to say.
    I'll go you one further. Free agency has ruined baseball. I used to follow guys like Yaz, Evans and Rice in their climb through the minors. You got a chance to see them come up and develop. They became our players, year in and year out.
    Now, people watch a player for a few years, and if he's really good, then you have to hold your breath when he reaches free agency.
    In places like KC, Cleveland, and the many small market teams, you know the chances of keeping them are slight. Even a rich team like the Sox, may choose not to go hard after a player of theirs turning free agent.
    I think it makes it harder to bond with a team. Baseball is an individual sport.
    While we root for the team, we all have our favorite player or players.
    It's not like the days when you could look at a player, and think he'd be around for a decade or more, barring injury or trades.
    Free agency makes player movement much more fluid, and damages loyalties real or imagined. "

    I will say this – I am almost 100% behind you on free agency.  Are you trying to get on my good side?  Free agency really wasn’t a big deal until when it first came around, back when collusion kept it in check.  The ethics of collusion, of course, are a matter for another debate.  If you are disregarding that as true free agency, then I see your viewpoint as being even that much more accurate. But if you are going to rant on the foibles of the current state of free agency in MLB, I am your proverbial choir, and have been posting that stance for a long time, although not for identical reasons.

     

    In  today’s game, free agency is viewed too often as the rare combination of a quick fix and a good solution.  It’s rarely both, and usually not even a quick fix.  It involves overpaying heavily for the past on players who 1) have a minimum of 6 years in and 2) are usually over 30.  How many truly ban contracts are there in baseball that was not the result of free agency, either obtained through it directly or drawn up to prevent it?

    That said, at one point you suggested more due diligence in the free agent market.  To me, this is akin to thinking more due diligence will help at a roulette table.  Look at Lackey and Crawford.  Exactly what had they done in the past that would make anyone think they would be among the worst players at their respective positions in the entire league?  These were upper tier players who simply failed to perform at ridiculous levels.  They weren’t even average players this year. Even Lackey’s less than successful track record at Fenway was not a red flag, given that all those games were against a Sox offense that was always among the best in the league at the time.  I’d think facing Manny and Ortiz and company had more influence than the Green Monster.

    The small market teams to seem to survive because they are a David going against a league of Goliaths.  Tampa is viewed as a huge success, but the reality is they have won 2 playoff series and 0 titles in the past 4 seasons, and nothing since 2008.    But merely getting into the post-season 3 times does make them successful.  If the Red Sox or Yankees had that same track record, it would be viewed as failure.  Expectations matter, thanks to budget and free agency.

    Of course, baseball does have a lot of inherent parity.  If you have liked my posts in the past, you have probably seen one of my repeated 60-40 references, about the winning percentage range across MLB.  Combine these last two paragraphs and it is actually possible to view the small market clubs as having an advantage when it comes to defining success.  A small market team is going to win 40% of the time and every percentage point closer to 60% defies expectations just that much more.  And if they get in, they become the story of the season.  After all, Tampa won one more game out of 162 than Boston this year.  One started the post-season as the poster children for a miraculous “never say die” baseball team that might shamefully break up for economic reasons; the other viewed as a massive failure in need of overhaul.   Certainly that one win was not the difference.  But that 1 win in the face of expectation?  Absolutely.

    As for our point of contention – David Wright – I agree he is a mega-talent.  However, back injuries are particularly frightening.   Fortunately, you are not among the “Beckett for Wright” crowd, at least not publicly.  Wright and Youkilis both have one year left, each with an option.  I would agree that, Youkilis is probably better served as the primary DH for his remaining time, but given that the Sox have been completely derailed by injuries the past 2 season, getting a guy coming off serious injury might not be the best way to go, particularly if that player has a heavy price tag to begin with.

    I agree with a post made by Schumpeter’s Ghost to an extent, where he basically says “focus on pitching”, and the options in the OP are all the low cost short-term variety of RF solutions, which is the only way free agency should be used.  It’s for patchwork.  And the original post in this thread is all about patch work.

    Your other free agency suggestions, I am not on board with.  I like Buerhle.  I live in Chicago and have seen him pitch far too many times.  He’s one of those guys that should simply not be as successful as he is given the pitch repertoire.  However, he does some things so well.  Best pickoff move in MLB.  He works so quickly, he might be personally responsible for knocking 30 minutes off every game he pitches.  I do doubt he will be amenable to a 2-year contract, and will probably give preference to the White Sox if all things are equal.  The Cardinals might be a close second for him, as he is from that area and has never shied away from admitting his being a fan of theirs.  As a pitcher, he is ridiculously streaky, throwing BP for 3 weeks straight and then suddenly morphing into a soft-tossing Koufax for a month or two.  However, the problem is that, in order to get him, the Sox probably have to offer the kind of deal that we both are decrying in this thread.  2 years? No brainer, but certainly not enough.  The White Sox would be idiots to not at least offer two years.  3 years?  The maximum anyone should offer him. 4 years?  I would be he gets offers for at least that much when the dust settles.  And I also think he’ll stay in black and white.

    And as you have read my posts in the past, you should know that I have always written with an air of condescension.  I am not stopping that anytime soon, regardless of my hotel chains of choice…

     
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