Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage

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    Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage

    From a column today by Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times:

    Speaking of the Erik Bedard trade, there was a lot of talk a week ago about why the Red Sox suddenly pulled out of a trade for Rich Harden and then went for Bedard.

    Well, I've been asking around and here's what I've been told.

    The Red Sox apparently were not surprised at all by Harden's medicals. Supposedly, they went into the trade talks already knowing the full extent of Harden's physical ailments and what they'd see when the medical files were shipped their way.

    The only reason they asked for the files in the first place, I'm told, was to try to use them as leverage with the Oakland Athletics to get a better deal in the trade they were trying to work. At the last minute, they planned to force A's GM Billy Beane to drop his asking price and let the Red Sox keep one of the prospects Oakland would have received.

    When Beane wouldn't budge, the Red Sox scuttled the deal and went solely with Bedard, who was always in their plans and would have been acquired even if Harden had also been secured.

    Sort of explains why Harden was able to look pretty good going seven innings against the M's the other day. Well, that, and he was facing the M's. But guys with medical issues don't often go seven innings.

    The Red Sox liked Harden just fine. Just didn't want to pay Beane's asking price.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2015845075_trayvon_robinson_looking_un-fl.html

     
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    Good post, Hill. For someone who does something as stupid as give Crawford 142M on the heels of a career year, Theo's attempt to bait and switch is quite sophomoric and predicatable. Too bad Henry didn't sign Beane.

    Theo's "sunk costs" are at record levels.
     
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    Good post, Hill. For someone who does something as stupid as give Crawford 142M on the heels of a career year, Theo's attempt to bait and switch is quite sophomoric and predicatable. Too bad Henry didn't sign Beane. Theo's "sunk costs" are at record levels.
    Posted by softylaw


    I looked at cc's career stats and last season wasn't that much better than some of his past seasons. some stats were better but other stats were worse.
     
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    Does Hill wish that Harden was traded and why?
     
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    OPS career high by 35 points


    No stats were "worse" than career averages. Every stat was higher than career averages.

     
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    Didn't Billy Beane turn down Boston's offer to be the Red Sox GM? 
     
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    [QUOTE]OPS career high by 35 points No stats were "worse" than career averages. Every stat was higher than career averages.
    Posted by softylaw[/QU

    CC did not have career highs in sb,ba, 2b,3b,bb or hits......not sure what else as I am too tired to look it up
     
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    To Geoff Baker, not Hill:  No sh*t, Sherlock, it's known as negotiation.
     
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    Re: Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage

    In Response to Re: Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage:
    Good post, Hill. For someone who does something as stupid as give Crawford 142M on the heels of a career year, Theo's attempt to bait and switch is quite sophomoric and predicatable. Too bad Henry didn't sign Beane. Theo's "sunk costs" are at record levels.
    Posted by softylaw


    "Heels of his career?"  That's how you describe Crawford?  What say you to another year of Jeter in Posada clogging up spots in the Yankee lineup?  Do you realize Jeter's contract extention is the reason they couldn't even make an offer on Jose Reyes?  Nearly the entire Yankee team has a no trade clause and can't even be sent down to the minors.  At least Epstein didn't screw up nearly that bad. 
     
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    CC did not have career highs in sb,ba, 2b,3b,bb or hits

    2010 hits over 30 higher than career average
    SB 5 higher than career averages
    2b 6 higher than career averages
    3b 2 higher than career averages
    bb 16 higher than career averages
    hits 28 higher than career averages

    Career high SLG and OPS and RBI's and homers

    Theo was like a teenage non-happy colt seeing a naked pin-up for the first time.
     
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    In Response to Re: Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage:
    I thought it was for Lars Anderson straight up. Lets face it not that much, considering A-Gonz is locked up here for awhile.
    Posted by bobbysu


    Anderson has been tearing it up lately though, so we may have caught a break here.
     
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    CC did not have career highs in sb,ba, 2b,3b,bb or hits 2010 hits over 30 higher than career average SB 5 higher than career averages 2b 6 higher than career averages 3b 2 higher than career averages bb 16 higher than career averages hits 28 higher than career averages Career high SLG and OPS and RBI's and homers Theo was like a teenage non-happy colt seeing a naked pin-up for the first time.
    Posted by softylaw


    oh, I thought you were saying that cc had carerr highs in all/most stats which is not true. career averages can get thrown off quite a bit when you include rookie year with only 63 games played and another year with only 109 games. I assume  you did include those when you posted your stats.
     
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    In Response to Re: Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage:
    Didn't Billy Beane turn down Boston's offer to be the Red Sox GM? 
    Posted by Ice-Cream

    you are correct
     
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    Didn't Billy Beane turn down Boston's offer to be the Red Sox GM? 
    Posted by Ice-Cream


    I blame theo for screwing up that move
     
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    Re: Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage

    This has to be the best sarcastic post of the year.

    Re: Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage

    posted at 8/7/2011 8:25 PM EDT
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    In Response to Re: Rich Harden, Red Sox and leverage:
    Didn't Billy Beane turn down Boston's offer to be the Red Sox GM?
    Posted by Ice-Cream


    I blame theo for screwing up that move
     
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