RIP DICK WILLIAMS

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    RIP DICK WILLIAMS

    Reports out here in Las Vegas by Las Vegas Review Journal is that Dick Williams has passed away @ his home in Las Vegas....Sad day for the Red Sox organization, players, and fans of that amazing 1967 season...
     
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    Let's hope this ownership group understands the place in our Red Sox history that Dick Williams holds and honors him with some type of pre game ceremony real soon. I think he should have his number retired or something.

     
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    Yes.
     
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    [QUOTE]Yes.
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]

    hopefully by the end of the year...Maybe if they play the A's again at the end of August @ Fenway...that would be very nice opportunity for both teams to witness...
     
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    condolences to the Williams family, sad news for baseball, and fans of the Sox, A's and Friars...Frown
     
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    Truly a sad day not just for Red Sox fans but MLB in general.  Dick was old school tough as nails and he lead several organizations to winning baseball.  He was one of the truly great managers and he'll definately be missed!

    From his Wikipedia page:

    Known especially as a hard-driving, sharp-tongued manager from 1967–69 and 1971–88, he led teams to three American League pennants, one National League pennant, and two World Series triumphs. He is one of seven managers to win pennants in both major leagues, and joined Bill McKechnie in becoming only the second manager to lead three franchises to the Series. He and Lou Piniella are the only managers in history to lead four teams to seasons of 90 or more wins. Williams was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 2008 following his election by the Veterans Committee.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: RIP DICK WILLIAMS :   YOUR RIGHT ZILLY..... DICK WILLIAMS IS THE REASON THE RED SOX ARE THE FRANCHISE THEY ARE TODAY !!!!   1967, WHAT A YEAR !!!! Posted by Bill-806[/QUOTE]

    Disagree entirely.

    Dick Williams was important, don't get me wrong. But he ranks behind Dick O'Connell, who built that team. And he ranks behind Yaz.

    Remember, Yaz committed himself to be in better condition for 1967 and to become more of a pull hitter in the offseason, and that had nothing to do with Williams.

    Williams' role was cracking the whip with a young team, which was his specialty. He was a good manager, but he excelled at instilling discipline into a young team. That's why he was good with young teams (Boston and Oakland) and teaching them what it takes to be a winner, but he ALWAYS wore out his welcome. He never did handle veteran clubs very well throughout his career.
     
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    Dick was a real dick - a hardass that was needed when a team needed a kick in the azz.  Fortunately, he landed in Boston at the right time to help turn around a fledgling franchise.  While it took the Red Sox some time to ultimately reverse the curse, he is probably as responsible as anyone for changing the course of the team, rekindling interest, and reviving fan expectations. 

    He had a great career as a manager and had a significant impact on the Red Sox and baseball as a whole.  As a Red Sox and baseball fan, thank you for your contribution. 
     
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    RIP Dick Williams.
    Truly the father of the Sox rise to prominence from
    the mediocrity of the post Ted Williams era.
    Dick O' Connell never won anything. Williams won everywhere he went.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: RIP DICK WILLIAMS :   YOUR RIGHT ZILLY..... DICK WILLIAMS IS THE REASON THE RED SOX ARE THE FRANCHISE THEY ARE TODAY !!!!   1967, WHAT A YEAR !!!!  THANKS DICK, FOR BEING THE MANAGER THAT YOU WERE !!!  I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT CARL YAZ AGREES WITH THIS POST !!
    Posted by Bill-806[/QUOTE]

       Yaz was the main reason Williams was fired, the two didn't get along, and Yaz would go up-stairs to Yawkey to complain about the manager. It was Williams who called Yaz out,I believe in LA, for not hustling in '68. For all you youngsters out there Yaz was a gigantic pain in the butt in his early years, before he did a make-over during the seventies.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: RIP DICK WILLIAMS :    Yaz was the main reason Williams was fired, the two didn't get along, and Yaz would go up-stairs to Yawkey to complain about the manager. It was Williams who called Yaz out,I believe in LA, for not hustling in '68. For all you youngsters out there Yaz was a gigantic pain in the butt in his early years, before he did a make-over during the seventies.
    Posted by attic-dan[/QUOTE]
    Ditto. Yaz definitely got him fired. My Dad always complained that Ted Williams never had the influence with Yawkey that Yaz did. Yaz and Lonborg did carry that team but no bleeping way they win that year with any other manager. He would bench Boomer if he was overweight. Boomer still respects him to this day. Charlie Finley was an idiot and should have begged him to stay.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: RIP DICK WILLIAMS :    Yaz was the main reason Williams was fired, the two didn't get along, and Yaz would go up-stairs to Yawkey to complain about the manager. It was Williams who called Yaz out,I believe in LA, for not hustling in '68. For all you youngsters out there Yaz was a gigantic pain in the butt in his early years, before he did a make-over during the seventies.
    Posted by attic-dan[/QUOTE]

    Yaz was hurt. It was incidents like this that made him lose the entire team. The Yaz-got-Williams fired is something of a myth because of Yaz's relationship with Yawkey and because of some of Williams' actions (like above).

    But the fact is, Williams' act had worn thin with everyone. The scenario repeated itself at other stops. There's a reason why he's managed six teams.

    Yaz's changed from a spoiled brat began in the offseason of 1966, long before the 1970s.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: RIP DICK WILLIAMS : Yaz was hurt. It was incidents like this that made him lose the entire team. The Yaz-got-Williams fired is something of a myth because of Yaz's relationship with Yawkey and because of some of Williams' actions (like above). But the fact is, Williams' act had worn thin with everyone. The scenario repeated itself at other stops. There's a reason why he's managed six teams. Yaz's changed from a spoiled brat began in the offseason of 1966, long before the 1970s.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    That about says it. He had a lot of B. Martin in him in the way he dealt with players.
    At the same time, Yawkey placated Yaz, with good reason.
    Sad to hear of Williams' passing. But let's not let the truth about him drown in a sea of remorse.
     
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    wow  watched the pregame comments by Tito and Jerry about Dick....it wasnt too hard to read between the lines that he was disliked, maybe even hated by his players...old school i guess to a fault
     
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    Sometimes a team needs a little "Billy Martining"...
     
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    Ridiculous; just like ever other endeavor in life, every player, mgr, FO exec, scouts or other organizational types have their good and bad points; also, what can be good at one time can be bad at others; this is illustrated very well by DW, Casey Stengel, Leo Durocher, and even Joe McCarthy. Let me state, very clearly, that without Dick Williams there IS NO IMPOSSIBLE DREAM SEASON. I rarely say this, but this is not an opinion; this is a FACT. His HOF inclusion is well deserved. (And let us not forget what he did with the As)
     
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    I agree. But that style doesn't mesh well in the era of the millionaire.
    Leland and Manuel are exceptions. Generally speaking, the art of compromise goes further these days.
     
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    [QUOTE]I agree. But that style doesn't mesh well in the era of the millionaire. Leland and Manuel are exceptions. Generally speaking, the art of compromise goes further these days.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    You forgot Showalter, who is one SOB.
     
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    I'm fairly certain of one thing; if DW was managing the current Yankees, Jeter would be batting 9th; and Girardi is not really a player's MGR. If it was the current RS; he would tell Lackey to shape up & shut up or ship out; no matter what his domestic problems are. He would have alienated Dice-K long ago. He may not even be thrilled with Pap's Huff, Puff & Stare routine when he comes in a game.
     
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    I think Williams makes Showwalter look tame in comparison.
    The lion and the lion-tamer.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: RIP DICK WILLIAMS : Yaz was hurt. It was incidents like this that made him lose the entire team. The Yaz-got-Williams fired is something of a myth because of Yaz's relationship with Yawkey and because of some of Williams' actions (like above). But the fact is, Williams' act had worn thin with everyone. The scenario repeated itself at other stops. There's a reason why he's managed six teams. Yaz's changed from a spoiled brat began in the offseason of 1966, long before the 1970s.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]
       He changed physically after '66. It took a few more years for the mental part, he was still dividing the clubhouse in '67 with him and his cronies on one side and Tony C. and Petro on the other.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: RIP DICK WILLIAMS :    He changed physically after '66. It took a few more years for the mental part, he was still dividing the clubhousein '67 with him and his cronies on one side and Tony C. and Petro on the other.
    Posted by attic-dan[/QUOTE]

    That's where Williams created a unifying force. He made himself the target, as Softy does here. In either case, was it planned? 
     
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    [QUOTE]I agree. But that style doesn't mesh well in the era of the millionaire. Leland and Manuel are exceptions. Generally speaking, the art of compromise goes further these days.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    Charley Manuel strikes me as a clown who just happens to have a very good team.
     
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