Risk Aversion Ben

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    Risk Aversion Ben

    Last year the Dodgers made the Sox an insane offer that Ben could not refuse (or anyone with an ounce of baseball sense)

    I am hoping that Ben doesnt play it safe and moves with some urgency to deal with Clay's lingering illness(es) and the lack of a bonafide 3 and 4 hitter

    I am not hopeful and think the postseason will slowly be lost if we dont take some corrective action....Thoughts?

     
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    Last year the Dodgers made the Sox an insane offer that Ben could not refuse (or anyone with an ounce of baseball sense)

    I am hoping that Ben doesnt play it safe and moves with some urgency to deal with Clay's lingering illness(es) and the lack of a bonafide 3 and 4 hitter

    I am not hopeful and think the postseason will slowly be lost if we dont take some corrective action....Thoughts?

    Agree........  The Tampa Bay series & last nights game makes it obvious that our pitching is not built for the playoffs, or for making a"run" for that matter !!!!


     
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    I would start with Bogaerts, give him a shot. Orioles did it last year and it worked good for them. Every GM right now is like a shark in the water smelling blood, your going to have to give up Prospects.
    Not saying good or bad, but smart teams will want top Prospects.

     
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    I would start with Bogaerts, give him a shot. Orioles did it last year and it worked good for them. Every GM right now is like a shark in the water smelling blood, your going to have to give up Prospects.
    Not saying good or bad, but smart teams will want top Prospects.



    Yea agree, him or Middlebrooks again...be bold and give it a shot Ben....

     
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    Bogaerts can handle 3rd he was there in WBC.

     
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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     
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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     
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    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...



    I know he and Lucchino have it in them.  They just made a big bid for the Cuban pitcher that the Phillies got.

    It's July 27, a lot will happen in the next 4 days.

     

     

     
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    Team has basically stayed in 1st with the 3rd, 4th and 5th Starters. Lester had a couple of off Months, with Bucholz hurt basically out for 2 months too. Work on BP, if you are going to give up Prospects for Pitching, get young under control good arms, to get us by the 7th, 8th, and occasionally 9th innings.
    Clippard from Nationals see if they are dealing, Hochevar from Royals, if you are going for arms, get impact arms.
    If Lester has made the adjustments, this team will still contend. I am not counting on Bucholz, just cant stay healthy, and if he gets a twitch, he goes on DL.
    Conteras and Lyons in Minors give them a shot. Just a little shot of new blood, might get them going. Long season, dog days here, just got to hope they get by this funk.

     

     
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    It just doesn't matter what they do at this point...they are going to play the last 3rd of the season at the level we all knew in our hearts they would be playing at when the year ended...that means they will be just above Toronto, in 2nd last place, when the season is over....C-H-O-K-E!!!!!!!

    Hear that you creampuff Buchholz?......



    Are you sure you're a red sox fan?

     
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    In response to georom4's comment:

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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     

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    Clearly he does.   Ben might have looked reticent by not signing any major big money guys in the off-season, but clearly it has been the right move.

     

    Doubtful they do anything for a 3-4 hitter.  The oiffense is the best in the game and clearly working.  Dropping dow to second or third best offense from this point on is really not a sign that this is an area of weakness.

     

    The bullpen is another matter.  The Sox have already lost 3 of their opening day relievers for the season.  Right now, we have 3 minor leaguers in the pen. I expect Cherington to look for deals to help here.

     

    The rotation is also a concern.  Buchholz is due back when?  Workman has held his own for now.  But do people really expect there to be no other injuries?  Depth is always a good thing.  The Braves had a surplus of starters 10 days ago, and had to contemplate wither demoting Teheran or moving wither Medlen or Beachy to the pen.   today, they not only have room for Beachy, but are in the market for another starter.  Starter surpluses are an illusion, and can turn into dearths very, very quickly.  The worst thing the Soxcould do is head into the pennant drive absolutely NEEDING starts from Webster, Workman, etc.  It might bode well for the future, but it does not bode well for the present.

     

    Obviously, you do not mortage the farm for a starter, but acquiring one should be a higher priority than looking at another bat.   Find the expendable prospects, the ones you have redundancies or little faith in, or who have significant injury histories that could present future problems (I am talking about you, Anthony Ranaudo.), and set that as the limit for what you give up...

     
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    MelWitt = Yankee fan/troll or both.

     
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    It just doesn't matter what they do at this point...they are going to play the last 3rd of the season at the level we all knew in our hearts they would be playing at when the year ended...that means they will be just above Toronto, in 2nd last place, when the season is over....C-H-O-K-E!!!!!!!

    Hear that you creampuff Buchholz?......

     



    Are you sure you're a red sox fan?

     

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    obvious troll

     
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                                           Geo., Ben waits for the phone to ring. He doesn't call first. He'll listen to proposals as put forth by others but won't initiate discussion with his proposal. He'll pickup a FA here and there, sign a DFA'ed player for minor league assignment but that's about all he's confident with right now. He can't be a trading partner with the CC in the Garza deal because Theo would dictate. If Garza is a bust here then Ben would be out of a job. He's not in an enviable position now but does have to get something done or have a plan moving forward for the remainder of the season. "We're going to work Workman into the starting rotation". O.K. not what I'd do ..," Uhehara is our Closer from here on out." Again, not what I'd do. "We'd like to secure a  power bat if one comes available". Unlikely as Texas will lose Nelson Cruz shortly in the Biogenesis deal and they will overpay for a power bat.( Ben call Texas and ask them if they'ed be interested in Napoli for a PTBNL or a minor leaguer no lower than AA). They're (4) games behind Oakland now and if they lose Cruz shortly you're in the drivers seat on this one. Pedal to the metal Ben, Get 'er done Cowboy!!

     

     
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                                           Geo., Ben waits for the phone to ring. He doesn't call first. He'll listen to proposals as put forth by others but won't initiate discussion with his proposal.



    Ha ha ha...you know this how?  You clairvoyant types are too funny.

     

     
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    when your starter gives up 6 runs it isnt about the offense.  the weak link is pitching.  has been all season and we lucked into first place.  from this point, luck doesnt get you into post-season.  if ben doesnt make a move to improve starting rotation and/or bullpen, then we are spectators for other teams in October.  I can live with that..have been doing so for more years than I care to count.  Lifer RS fans know the drill.

     
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    Barring a blockbuster deal for a young ace (Harvey, Sale or Bumgarner) I'd stand pat.  I don't want to give up a potential all-star for Peavy or the right to pay Cliff Lee $25M / year. 

    I would give up a lot for those young aces though - say Bogaerts, Owens, Webster & Ranaudo?  

     
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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     

     



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     

     

     

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    Clearly he does.   Ben might have looked reticent by not signing any major big money guys in the off-season, but clearly it has been the right move.

     

     

    Doubtful they do anything for a 3-4 hitter.  The oiffense is the best in the game and clearly working.  Dropping dow to second or third best offense from this point on is really not a sign that this is an area of weakness.

     

    The bullpen is another matter.  The Sox have already lost 3 of their opening day relievers for the season.  Right now, we have 3 minor leaguers in the pen. I expect Cherington to look for deals to help here.

     

    The rotation is also a concern.  Buchholz is due back when?  Workman has held his own for now.  But do people really expect there to be no other injuries?  Depth is always a good thing.  The Braves had a surplus of starters 10 days ago, and had to contemplate wither demoting Teheran or moving wither Medlen or Beachy to the pen.   today, they not only have room for Beachy, but are in the market for another starter.  Starter surpluses are an illusion, and can turn into dearths very, very quickly.  The worst thing the Soxcould do is head into the pennant drive absolutely NEEDING starts from Webster, Workman, etc.  It might bode well for the future, but it does not bode well for the present.

     

    Obviously, you do not mortage the farm for a starter, but acquiring one should be a higher priority than looking at another bat.   Find the expendable prospects, the ones you have redundancies or little faith in, or who have significant injury histories that could present future problems (I am talking about you, Anthony Ranaudo.), and set that as the limit for what you give up...

    [/QUOTE]

    We still do not have a bonafide 1-2 combo in the rotation, and will go nowhere in the PS unless we acquire one, farm be damned.

     
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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     

     

     

     



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    Clearly he does.   Ben might have looked reticent by not signing any major big money guys in the off-season, but clearly it has been the right move.

     

     

     

     

    Doubtful they do anything for a 3-4 hitter.  The oiffense is the best in the game and clearly working.  Dropping dow to second or third best offense from this point on is really not a sign that this is an area of weakness.

     

    The bullpen is another matter.  The Sox have already lost 3 of their opening day relievers for the season.  Right now, we have 3 minor leaguers in the pen. I expect Cherington to look for deals to help here.

     

    The rotation is also a concern.  Buchholz is due back when?  Workman has held his own for now.  But do people really expect there to be no other injuries?  Depth is always a good thing.  The Braves had a surplus of starters 10 days ago, and had to contemplate wither demoting Teheran or moving wither Medlen or Beachy to the pen.   today, they not only have room for Beachy, but are in the market for another starter.  Starter surpluses are an illusion, and can turn into dearths very, very quickly.  The worst thing the Soxcould do is head into the pennant drive absolutely NEEDING starts from Webster, Workman, etc.  It might bode well for the future, but it does not bode well for the present.

     

    Obviously, you do not mortage the farm for a starter, but acquiring one should be a higher priority than looking at another bat.   Find the expendable prospects, the ones you have redundancies or little faith in, or who have significant injury histories that could present future problems (I am talking about you, Anthony Ranaudo.), and set that as the limit for what you give up...

     

     



     

     

    We still do not have a bonafide 1-2 combo in the rotation, and will go nowhere in the PS unless we acquire one, farm be damned.

     




    Doesn't matter does it?

     

    You said we wouldn't get to the playoffs to begin with.

    And why do you only show up when they're losing?

     
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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     

     

     

     



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    Clearly he does.   Ben might have looked reticent by not signing any major big money guys in the off-season, but clearly it has been the right move.

     

     

     

     

    Doubtful they do anything for a 3-4 hitter.  The oiffense is the best in the game and clearly working.  Dropping dow to second or third best offense from this point on is really not a sign that this is an area of weakness.

     

    The bullpen is another matter.  The Sox have already lost 3 of their opening day relievers for the season.  Right now, we have 3 minor leaguers in the pen. I expect Cherington to look for deals to help here.

     

    The rotation is also a concern.  Buchholz is due back when?  Workman has held his own for now.  But do people really expect there to be no other injuries?  Depth is always a good thing.  The Braves had a surplus of starters 10 days ago, and had to contemplate wither demoting Teheran or moving wither Medlen or Beachy to the pen.   today, they not only have room for Beachy, but are in the market for another starter.  Starter surpluses are an illusion, and can turn into dearths very, very quickly.  The worst thing the Soxcould do is head into the pennant drive absolutely NEEDING starts from Webster, Workman, etc.  It might bode well for the future, but it does not bode well for the present.

     

    Obviously, you do not mortage the farm for a starter, but acquiring one should be a higher priority than looking at another bat.   Find the expendable prospects, the ones you have redundancies or little faith in, or who have significant injury histories that could present future problems (I am talking about you, Anthony Ranaudo.), and set that as the limit for what you give up...

     

     


     

     

    We still do not have a bonafide 1-2 combo in the rotation, and will go nowhere in the PS unless we acquire one, farm be damned.

     




    Doesn't matter does it?

     

    You said we wouldn't get to the playoffs to begin with.

    And why do you only show up when they're losing?



    and who on this board predicted a playoff run this year 4Bs? It was almost unanimous that the Sox would win somewhere in the 80s at best.....

     
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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     

     

     

     



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    Clearly he does.   Ben might have looked reticent by not signing any major big money guys in the off-season, but clearly it has been the right move.

     

     

     

     

    Doubtful they do anything for a 3-4 hitter.  The oiffense is the best in the game and clearly working.  Dropping dow to second or third best offense from this point on is really not a sign that this is an area of weakness.

     

    The bullpen is another matter.  The Sox have already lost 3 of their opening day relievers for the season.  Right now, we have 3 minor leaguers in the pen. I expect Cherington to look for deals to help here.

     

    The rotation is also a concern.  Buchholz is due back when?  Workman has held his own for now.  But do people really expect there to be no other injuries?  Depth is always a good thing.  The Braves had a surplus of starters 10 days ago, and had to contemplate wither demoting Teheran or moving wither Medlen or Beachy to the pen.   today, they not only have room for Beachy, but are in the market for another starter.  Starter surpluses are an illusion, and can turn into dearths very, very quickly.  The worst thing the Soxcould do is head into the pennant drive absolutely NEEDING starts from Webster, Workman, etc.  It might bode well for the future, but it does not bode well for the present.

     

    Obviously, you do not mortage the farm for a starter, but acquiring one should be a higher priority than looking at another bat.   Find the expendable prospects, the ones you have redundancies or little faith in, or who have significant injury histories that could present future problems (I am talking about you, Anthony Ranaudo.), and set that as the limit for what you give up...

     

     

     

     

     

    We still do not have a bonafide 1-2 combo in the rotation, and will go nowhere in the PS unless we acquire one, farm be damned.

     




    Doesn't matter does it?

     

    You said we wouldn't get to the playoffs to begin with.

    And why do you only show up when they're losing?

     



    and who on this board predicted a playoff run this year 4Bs? It was almost unanimous that the Sox would win somewhere in the 80s at best.....

     

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    many of us did actually. With the added wildcards an 86-88 win team could make the PS. which is right around what most posters who don't whine for a living projected us to be. Hell, the 2012 Sox were still considered "in it" until August!

     
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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     

     

     

     



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    Clearly he does.   Ben might have looked reticent by not signing any major big money guys in the off-season, but clearly it has been the right move.

     

     

     

     

    Doubtful they do anything for a 3-4 hitter.  The oiffense is the best in the game and clearly working.  Dropping dow to second or third best offense from this point on is really not a sign that this is an area of weakness.

     

    The bullpen is another matter.  The Sox have already lost 3 of their opening day relievers for the season.  Right now, we have 3 minor leaguers in the pen. I expect Cherington to look for deals to help here.

     

    The rotation is also a concern.  Buchholz is due back when?  Workman has held his own for now.  But do people really expect there to be no other injuries?  Depth is always a good thing.  The Braves had a surplus of starters 10 days ago, and had to contemplate wither demoting Teheran or moving wither Medlen or Beachy to the pen.   today, they not only have room for Beachy, but are in the market for another starter.  Starter surpluses are an illusion, and can turn into dearths very, very quickly.  The worst thing the Soxcould do is head into the pennant drive absolutely NEEDING starts from Webster, Workman, etc.  It might bode well for the future, but it does not bode well for the present.

     

    Obviously, you do not mortage the farm for a starter, but acquiring one should be a higher priority than looking at another bat.   Find the expendable prospects, the ones you have redundancies or little faith in, or who have significant injury histories that could present future problems (I am talking about you, Anthony Ranaudo.), and set that as the limit for what you give up...

     

     

     

     

     

    We still do not have a bonafide 1-2 combo in the rotation, and will go nowhere in the PS unless we acquire one, farm be damned.

     




    Doesn't matter does it?

     

    You said we wouldn't get to the playoffs to begin with.

    And why do you only show up when they're losing?

     



    and who on this board predicted a playoff run this year 4Bs? It was almost unanimous that the Sox would win somewhere in the 80s at best.....

     

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    I said before that if Buchh and Lester pitched like they were capable, they could make the playoffs.

    Lester isn't and Buchh is hurt, but they're doing anyway.

    I didn't think they could win a division, but it looks to me like they can.

    I also said getting rid of your idol BV was good for 10-12 more wins right off the top.

    Sorry if wasn't pessimistic enough to agree with your "Titantic" call.


    That was a real winner...

     
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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     

     

     

     



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    Clearly he does.   Ben might have looked reticent by not signing any major big money guys in the off-season, but clearly it has been the right move.

     

     

     

     

    Doubtful they do anything for a 3-4 hitter.  The oiffense is the best in the game and clearly working.  Dropping dow to second or third best offense from this point on is really not a sign that this is an area of weakness.

     

    The bullpen is another matter.  The Sox have already lost 3 of their opening day relievers for the season.  Right now, we have 3 minor leaguers in the pen. I expect Cherington to look for deals to help here.

     

    The rotation is also a concern.  Buchholz is due back when?  Workman has held his own for now.  But do people really expect there to be no other injuries?  Depth is always a good thing.  The Braves had a surplus of starters 10 days ago, and had to contemplate wither demoting Teheran or moving wither Medlen or Beachy to the pen.   today, they not only have room for Beachy, but are in the market for another starter.  Starter surpluses are an illusion, and can turn into dearths very, very quickly.  The worst thing the Soxcould do is head into the pennant drive absolutely NEEDING starts from Webster, Workman, etc.  It might bode well for the future, but it does not bode well for the present.

     

    Obviously, you do not mortage the farm for a starter, but acquiring one should be a higher priority than looking at another bat.   Find the expendable prospects, the ones you have redundancies or little faith in, or who have significant injury histories that could present future problems (I am talking about you, Anthony Ranaudo.), and set that as the limit for what you give up...

     

     

     

     

     

    We still do not have a bonafide 1-2 combo in the rotation, and will go nowhere in the PS unless we acquire one, farm be damned.

     




    Doesn't matter does it?

     

    You said we wouldn't get to the playoffs to begin with.

    And why do you only show up when they're losing?

     

     



    and who on this board predicted a playoff run this year 4Bs? It was almost unanimous that the Sox would win somewhere in the 80s at best.....

     

     

     

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    I said before that if Buchh and Lester pitched like they were capable, they could make the playoffs.

     

    Lester isn't and Buchh is hurt, but they're doing anyway.

    I didn't think they could win a division, but it looks to me like they can.

    I also said getting rid of your idol BV was good for 10-12 more wins right off the top.

    Sorry if wasn't pessimistic enough to agree with your "Titantic" call.


    That was a real winner...

    [/QUOTE]

    I predicted 13 games better w/o BV but dont let the facts get in the way....

     
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    In response to georom4's comment:

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    The thread headline is a little misleading, it sounds like the usual bashing.

    Anyway, we are definitely going to see some moves.

     



    you think Ben has it in him? interesting....and thats not bashing, thats reality HF...

     

    [/QUOTE]

    What does that mean?

     
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