Roster moves that need to be made

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    With all the injuries to the outfield and to our bullpen, along with some under performing bullpen arms, some changes need to be made...My predictions

    JBJ(40-man) will be in CF tonight. With Ells AND Vic (IVC) out, we cant see another OF like we did last night. Id put money on it.

    De La Torre threw 50 pitches in 1.2 IP and will not be available for a day or 2. Wilson has also been getting hit very hard lately so its time for a couple new arms.

    Drake Britton should be called up (40-man) to replace LHP Andrew Miller. LHH were hitting .187/.243/.308 off of him. RDLR (also on 40-man) is holding RHH to a .213/.292/.380 line and LHH to a .198/.328/.307 line.

    Guys like Pedro Beato(40-man), Brandon Workman(not on 40), Brock Huntzinger(not on 40) and Anthony Carter(not on 40)are also possibilities.

    You can count on Ben C to exhaust any possible internal option before taking the big risk of looking into a trade for a middle reliever.

    Jonathan Diaz cleared waivers and was sent to AAA, so there is another spot open on the 40-man. Last I checked, there were 38 or 39 right now which leaves them some breathing room to add a couple guys who are not already on it.

     
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    Southy I agree--I think realligning the current pen with Aceves being featured prominently in both long and short relief.

    After seeing Cecchini yesterday in Portland he is better than Snyder at third and is more of a contact hitter. I would do the scary thing and bring Cecch and his over .500 OBP and his current .400 BA after 16 games at Portland to the "show."

    Say what you want we have a minor league talented group of players that are every bit as good as these other teams. Keeping Lester in the rotation is like watching a fire slowly get out of control. He definitely needs to be the Nomar of 2013---trade him and the team will excel.

     
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    Southy I agree--I think realligning the current pen with Aceves being featured prominently in both long and short relief.

    After seeing Cecchini yesterday in Portland he is better than Snyder at third and is more of a contact hitter. I would do the scary thing and bring Cecch and his over .500 OBP and his current .400 BA after 16 games at Portland to the "show."

    Say what you want we have a minor league talented group of players that are every bit as good as these other teams. Keeping Lester in the rotation is like watching a fire slowly get out of control. He definitely needs to be the Nomar of 2013---trade him and the team will excel.




    Lester looked a lot better his last 2 starts before last night. It wasnt all bad, but overall not a good night. Nomar was traded because he had become a cancer. I dont think you give up on Lester. He has a very reasonable option for 2014 and personally, I believe hes good enough to make the adjustments. Hes still hitting 94MPH consistently on the gun, hitting 95 at times. Plus you would be trading him at a lower value. He'll be fine. Be patient.

     
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    Southy I agree--I think realligning the current pen with Aceves being featured prominently in both long and short relief.

    After seeing Cecchini yesterday in Portland he is better than Snyder at third and is more of a contact hitter. I would do the scary thing and bring Cecch and his over .500 OBP and his current .400 BA after 16 games at Portland to the "show."

    Say what you want we have a minor league talented group of players that are every bit as good as these other teams. Keeping Lester in the rotation is like watching a fire slowly get out of control. He definitely needs to be the Nomar of 2013---trade him and the team will excel.




     

    No to Cecchini yet, way too early.  If you are going to do something like that, you'd be better off bringing up Bogaerts and moving Iglesias back to 3rd for a while (and I don't like that idea either.)

     

    It all comes down to starting pitching.  These guys HAVE to start getting through the 7th inning in 4 out every 5 starts.

     
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    I'd like to see RDLR get a shot out of the pen.  I'd like to see Bradley in center.  These are really the only moves I'd make.

     
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    Drake Britton.....His stuff could play up MUCH better in the bullpen and he's a lefty which means we could keep Doubront in the rotation. 

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     
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    Also I might add you mention RDLR who is also a prospect in the minors, and why it may seem like he is a more obvious candidate he is also on an innings limit and the Sox may not want to mess with his develoment as a starter.  He has more of a shot sticking in the starter role as well.  I think Workman is another good candidate. 

    I don't think any of these guys will close but they can pitch the 6th 7th. 

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     




    LHH are hitting like .180 against him.

    I think his court date is July 12th, so that might stop him from being called up before the ASB. Im not a big fan of trades for middle relievers. You usually dont get near the value you give up.

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     

     



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     

     

     




    LHH are hitting like .180 against him.

     

    I think his court date is July 12th, so that might stop him from being called up before the ASB. Im not a big fan of trades for middle relievers. You usually dont get near the value you give up.



    I forgot about his DWI.  That seems like a long time ago I wonder if this is just a court date to make sure he's followed the program I'm pressuming they put him on as part of a deal. (as that is what they do to virturally everyone who gets their first DUI)

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     

     

     



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     

     

     

     

     




    LHH are hitting like .180 against him.

     

     

    I think his court date is July 12th, so that might stop him from being called up before the ASB. Im not a big fan of trades for middle relievers. You usually dont get near the value you give up.

     



    I forgot about his DWI.  That seems like a long time ago I wonder if this is just a court date to make sure he's followed the program I'm pressuming they put him on as part of a deal. (as that is what they do to virturally everyone who gets their first DUI)

     



    He has an OUI charge,  as well as reckless driving and property damages. He was driving 111 miles an hour and swerving between vehicles, then he drove off the road, while he was being chased by a cop and drove through a fence.

    This isn't a charge that virtually everyone has that gets their first dui. that stuff usually mean jail time.  Just a day or two, but still no reason to act what he did was no big deal.

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     

     

     

     



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    LHH are hitting like .180 against him.

     

     

     

    I think his court date is July 12th, so that might stop him from being called up before the ASB. Im not a big fan of trades for middle relievers. You usually dont get near the value you give up.

     

     



    I forgot about his DWI.  That seems like a long time ago I wonder if this is just a court date to make sure he's followed the program I'm pressuming they put him on as part of a deal. (as that is what they do to virturally everyone who gets their first DUI)

     

     

     



    He has an OUI charge,  as well as reckless driving and property damages. He was driving 111 miles an hour and swerving between vehicles, then he drove off the road, while he was being chased by a cop and drove through a fence.

     

    This isn't a charge that virtually everyone has that gets their first dui. that stuff usually mean jail time.  Just a day or two, but still no reason to act what he did was no big deal.



    If it's his first offense he's likely not getting any jail time.  The vast majority of kids get the minimum for their first offenses and he likely has a great lawyer.  He also had a court date back in June so I'm assuming this is a follow up which could suggest he striked a deal and this is just a follow up.   No one is saying it wasn't a big deal what he did, but I'm not going to hold it against his career if he puts it behind him. 

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     



    If his fastball was electric, his K numbers would be better.  If he gets called up it would be to replace someone like Alex Wilson.   I honestly dont think he'd be even as good as Alex Wilson.

    We are fighting for the division...I think there is a better option than a non-dominant AA pitcher.

    I might move him to AAA bullpen and use him as depth.  But we should absolutely be shopping for an MLB proven lefty reliever.  Someone like Tom Gorzelaney (or however you spell it) or JP Howell.

     
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    Also I might add you mention RDLR who is also a prospect in the minors, and why it may seem like he is a more obvious candidate he is also on an innings limit and the Sox may not want to mess with his develoment as a starter.  He has more of a shot sticking in the starter role as well.  I think Workman is another good candidate. 

    I don't think any of these guys will close but they can pitch the 6th 7th. 



    RDLR has dominant K numbers, touches 100 MPH on the gun, and has better all-around numbers in AAA than Britton has in AA.  I'm not against Britton, but if you speculate that he would be good in the pen (and I dont disagree with you), then put him in the pen in the minors.  Make him earn a call up.

    Our pen needs a lot of help right now.  There will be multiple opportunities. 

    I believe in making minor league players earn their spots.  De La Rosa has earned a chance.  Britton is more of a speculative pick.  So put him in the pen and see what he can do.  To answer your prev question: why not give him a shot?  I dont think we need to put him in the majors to assess.  We can put him in the AAA pen and see how he does.

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     

     



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     

     

     




    LHH are hitting like .180 against him.

     

    I think his court date is July 12th, so that might stop him from being called up before the ASB. Im not a big fan of trades for middle relievers. You usually dont get near the value you give up.



    Granted re: overpaying.  However, I'm serious about going for it this year.  I'd be willing to overpay to add some stability to our pen.  Its emerged as a weakness over the last couple of weeks.  Its not like there are 1-2 back end spots available.  We could use a couple of solid arms, and when thats the case...id feel safer getting at least one MLB proven reliever. Another breslow would be perfect.  I think there would still be opportunities for guys like RDLR and Britton.  I just wouldnt put all my eggs in teh internal basket.  

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     

     



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     

     

     



    If his fastball was electric, his K numbers would be better.  If he gets called up it would be to replace someone like Alex Wilson.   I honestly dont think he'd be even as good as Alex Wilson.

     

    We are fighting for the division...I think there is a better option than a non-dominant AA pitcher.

    I might move him to AAA bullpen and use him as depth.  But we should absolutely be shopping for an MLB proven lefty reliever.  Someone like Tom Gorzelaney (or however you spell it) or JP Howell.



    Not true, Britton has a very electric fastball it's been his best pitch he can hit the mid 90's and it has solid movement on it.  He's been hittable in the past because he lacks any true secondary offerings.  If Britton can hit 95 96 as a starter there is a consensus in the scouting world that he should be able to hit high 90's out of the pen...and he's on the 40 man which makes him a stronger candidate.   I agree that we should likely be going out and buying a proven MLB player, but I also think we need to augment that with homegrown talent. 

     
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    But they are probably shopping externally for a lefty specialist.  I wouldnt put much face in Britton when I am in first.  

    Only problem is with two wildcard teams, there arent a plethora of sellers.

     

     

     

     



    What's wrong with giving him a shot.  I can understand why they don't do it now but I can see him up here come august.  Most think he is better suited for the pen to begin with, and I've heard a lot say that his stuff could play up much better in the pen and that could accelerate his path to the majors.  The kid has a very electric fastball, it's hit best pitch and that's all he would need to have success in a limited role. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    LHH are hitting like .180 against him.

     

     

     

    I think his court date is July 12th, so that might stop him from being called up before the ASB. Im not a big fan of trades for middle relievers. You usually dont get near the value you give up.

     

     



    Granted re: overpaying.  However, I'm serious about going for it this year.  I'd be willing to overpay to add some stability to our pen.  Its emerged as a weakness over the last couple of weeks.  Its not like there are 1-2 back end spots available.  We could use a couple of solid arms, and when thats the case...id feel safer getting at least one MLB proven reliever. Another breslow would be perfect.  I think there would still be opportunities for guys like RDLR and Britton.  I just wouldnt put all my eggs in teh internal basket.  

     

     

     




    I agree. basically what Im saying is try all internal options, but be very cautious when dealing with middle relievers and what you give up. Im not against it, but wouldnt give up a top prospect for one.

    They are middle relievers for a reason and mostly because of inconsistency.

     

     
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    I always believe that you should put your best team on the field. Does our best really include guys like Snyder, Diaz, Holt, Wilson and De La Torre?  Gomes , Carp and Nava in the outfield ?  And, playing shorthanded is not a good idea. If a guy is hurt, put him on the DL unless you are certain that he will only miss two or three games.  I know all of the arguments against this, but they are not strong enough .

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    Trading for quality closer is a gamble enough (see Gagne), so trading for middle relievers is a crahp shoot. They are usually middle relievers because they are not good enough to start or close.

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    Every reliever is just a failed starter....even mariano rivera

     
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    I always believe that you should put your best team on the field. Does our best really include guys like Snyder, Diaz, Holt, Wilson and De La Torre? 



    Wilson and De La Torre are part of the ever changing cast of characters in the bullpen, necessitated by injuries and various flameouts.  What do you propose - do you think Rubby De La Rosa is the magic cure?  He got shelled his last time out. 

     

     
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    Even championship teams end up using guys like Wilson and de la Torre at times during a long season.

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    We have several highly touted young starters in the minors. No reason why they cannot be used in our bullpen for now. This is not going to hurt their development. Some of them are going to wind up as relievers anyway.  And, we should never see an outfield like we had last night,  when Bradley is available. Middlebrooks, Bogaerts and Cecchini are more likely to help us win than guys like Snyder, Diaz and Holt.  Put your best team on the field.

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    MadMc's moves:

    Trade Lester--roughly 3 -4 more starts before the Trade deadline--I suggest don't wait too long. He will face Oakland this weekend then probably 2 of the Rays, Yanks or O's--that's 3 contenders before the Trade Deadline---if he blows 3  tires, as he has 5 of his last 6 outings,  the Sox may be sitting back in 3 rd place especially if Buch does not make an appearance. My suggestion is Trade Lester  ASAP. Don't look back--just do it, the team will be more of a team without him. Move Lester to the Giants they need another starter.

    Find out what is ailing Nap. If nothing is ailing him bench him as the 1 B and he becomes the designated Pinch Hitter and go with Carp against RH and perhaps Nap against lefties. If he's hurt---get him on the DL ASAP.

    Send Snyder down bring up Cecchini as the regular 3 B. Take a leap of faith with Cecch. Keep Holt as the Super Sub.

    If Vic and Ells are out for more than one more day---DL--you can't play against good/ bad teams---you make mediocre pitchers super pitchers when you are without  2,3, or 4 bats.

    Start trying out New Relievers:

    RDLR, Britton, Ranaudo, Workman--see who performs best.

    Play the best 25 players in the system. Farrell did it with Iggy Vs. WMB. Iggy won. Bring up Cecch and have him compete against Snyder/ Holt--my money is on Cecch.

    Keep the best 25 on the MLB Roster------we will soon see---you bring up Workman, Ranaudo, Britton and RDLR---Lester will begin to pale when he sees what he's up against. 

     
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