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    RS 149 runs

    Rays 89 runs last in AL only Miami and SD worse in MLB

     
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    But the Rays are a class organization destined to perpetual greatness forever and ever and ever in spite of not having any money and no way to get any other than stealing from us through rev sharing. How dare you criticize them!

     

     
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    I guess this is why the Sox are 5.5 games up on the Rays, 4.5 after August.

     

     
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    But the Rays are a class organization destined to perpetual greatness forever and ever and ever in spite of not having any money and no way to get any other than stealing from us through rev sharing. How dare you criticize them!

     




    dont have money??  yes the fans arent going to the game that much, but what they got to watch other than watching Longoria??  Had they get few more big name players like Victorino or Mornoneu or etc, they would draw few more thousand fans.  

    Right now there is not much fans's favorite players over there other than they all love Longoria.   Owner is being so freakin cheap every year.   Yes Rays find a way to have a good team, but they may not last too long.  Rays are fortunate to see the Yankees to have a bad year due to injuries just like the Red Sox.  Once both Yankees and Red Sox have a good year, Rays will not even get close to the first place.   Orioles are more likely to spend more money during the off season to make the team a much stronger team.  Rays is soon to be done!!

     
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    But the Rays are a class organization destined to perpetual greatness forever and ever and ever in spite of not having any money and no way to get any other than stealing from us through rev sharing. How dare you criticize them!

     

     

     




    dont have money??  yes the fans arent going to the game that much, but what they got to watch other than watching Longoria??  Had they get few more big name players like Victorino or Mornoneu or etc, they would draw few more thousand fans.  

     

     

    Right now there is not much fans's favorite players over there other than they all love Longoria.   Owner is being so freakin cheap every year.   Yes Rays find a way to have a good team, but they may not last too long.  Rays are fortunate to see the Yankees to have a bad year due to injuries just like the Red Sox.  Once both Yankees and Red Sox have a good year, Rays will not even get close to the first place.   Orioles are more likely to spend more money during the off season to make the team a much stronger team.  Rays is soon to be done!!

     



    Agreed. I give them another 2-3 years of being a contender, and then theyll have to drop to the bottom and vulture draft picks for another 8-10 years.

     

     
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    Agreed. I give them another 2-3 years of being a contender, and then theyll have to drop to the bottom and vulture draft picks for another 8-10 years.

     No way. They will trade Price for the next Wil Myers. They will have Moore for peanuts for another decade. Cobb, Archer, others.

    The Rays will not fade away.

    They are not all done this year either.

    I love this one...

        stealing from us

    Who stole Crawford from who?

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    What a difference a month makes...

     

    Runs Scored

             AUG  JUL   TOT

    BOS   146   114  260

    TBR      89  120  209

     

    Runs Allowed

            AUG  JUL  TOT

    BOS  104   97   201

    TBR  108   69   177

     

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    Agreed. I give them another 2-3 years of being a contender, and then theyll have to drop to the bottom and vulture draft picks for another 8-10 years.

     No way. They will trade Price for the next Wil Myers. They will have Moore for peanuts for another decade. Cobb, Archer, others.

    The Rays will not fade away.

    They are not all done this year either.

    I love this one...

        stealing from us

    Who stole Crawford from who?

     

    Sox4ever

     



    Yeah, stealing from us moon. I meant exactly what I said. Socialism at its best. If not for revenue sharing these podunk teams like Tampa would have little hope of even staying in business. Just how long do you think the stream of low round picks and prospects like Price and Moore and Longoria is going to last? How many times do you think theyre going to hit home run after home run on this? 2-3 more competitive years befoe the slide starts. Bank on it. And did we steal Crawford? What was it? 140M or so we signed him for? Then he stunk up the joint when he got here. If he would have taken a hometown discount you and I both know Tampa would have re-signed him in a flash. They didnt sign him because they dont have the money, which, means they have to rely on minor league prospects to fill the roster spots. Thats all fine and good when its Longoria, but what happens when its Sam Fuld?

     

     
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    Rays also have a tv deal expiring in a couple years and while attendance is down they do VERY well in the ratings surprisingly so I suspect they will have more money to play with.  The Rays may truly "not be going anywhere"

     
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    Rays also have a tv deal expiring in a couple years and while attendance is down they do VERY well in the ratings surprisingly so I suspect they will have more money to play with.  The Rays may truly "not be going anywhere"



    Sales of cow bells to go are skyrocketing in the Tampa area. 

     
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    Agreed. I give them another 2-3 years of being a contender, and then theyll have to drop to the bottom and vulture draft picks for another 8-10 years.

     No way. They will trade Price for the next Wil Myers. They will have Moore for peanuts for another decade. Cobb, Archer, others.

    The Rays will not fade away.

    They are not all done this year either.

    I love this one...

        stealing from us

    Who stole Crawford from who?

     

    Sox4ever

     



    Yeah, stealing from us moon. I meant exactly what I said. Socialism at its best. If not for revenue sharing these podunk teams like Tampa would have little hope of even staying in business. Just how long do you think the stream of low round picks and prospects like Price and Moore and Longoria is going to last? How many times do you think theyre going to hit home run after home run on this? 2-3 more competitive years befoe the slide starts. Bank on it. And did we steal Crawford? What was it? 140M or so we signed him for? Then he stunk up the joint when he got here. If he would have taken a hometown discount you and I both know Tampa would have re-signed him in a flash. They didnt sign him because they dont have the money, which, means they have to rely on minor league prospects to fill the roster spots. Thats all fine and good when its Longoria, but what happens when its Sam Fuld?

     



    You don't even know what socialism is.

    The Rays get nothing from the YES Network when they play the Yanks. Nothing from NESN. Do they get an equal share of the road gate revenue? Shouldn't they?

    Look, I'm all for the Rays moving to North Carolina or something to get a real fan base, but teh revenue sharing in MLB is a joke compared to what's going on in the NFL and NBA. Those leagues are closer to "Socialism" than MLB.

    I know why they lost Crawford. Yes, it's the money, but they rarely have let any player go to free agency by trade who has gone on to have great season after great season. They deal players at the end of prime or near it , instead of signing them or trading for them. They actually do not have that great of a drafting record of late, even with the stock-piled comp picks. They have found a few late round gems, but a big part of their team right now are players gained by trading players before their stock falls sharply. That's something big market teams hardly ever do. It has worked out well for the Rays.

    Shields got them Myers and a couple other very good prospects.

    Jesse Chavez got them Rafael Soriano (who later got them a comp pick).

    Garza got them Archer, Fuld, guyer, and Hak-Ju Lee.

    Edwin Jackson got them Matt Joyce.

    Kazmir got them Alex Torres and Sean Rodriguez.

    Bartlett got them Gomes, Ramos, and Russell.

    Delmon Young got them Garza and Bartlett.

     

    They get a lot of productive players on the cheap via free agency over the years: journeymen in most cases who often went on to having near career best seasons. (Farnsworth, Carlos Pena, etc...)

    Unless this team dumps their GM and manager, they will be hanging around 90 wins for much longer than 2-3 more years.

     

     

     
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    Price still has 2 arb years. His injury this year may keep his numbers down enough to make him affordable for one more year, but I do think the Rays will deal him before he walks after 2015. If they do as well as they did with Shields and Garza, they should get a boost from those players at some point after 2015.

    They can afford Longoria for several more years. He's under $15M until 2021. They will probably deal him in 2020. That's a long way away.

    Zobrist has a $7M and $7.5M club option for 2014 and 2015. That's a steal. Capitalism at it's best.

    They have Moore locked up at a very low cost until 2019.

    Y Escobar has 2 seasons at $5M club options.

    D DeJesus has a $6.5M club option for 2014 with a $1.5M buyout.

    Peralta has a $3M, $2.5M, $2.5M and $2.5M club option for the next 4 years.

    Jeff Niemann returns from injury next year at a low arb cost

    The players who will be free agents this year?

    Jesse Crain ($4.5M), Roberto Hernandez ($3.25M), Luke Scott ($2.75M), Fernando Rodney ($2.5M), Kelly Johnson ($2.5M), James Loney ($2M), Jose Molina ($1.8M)

    I see their team looking pretty well set for years to come:

    Rotation:

    Price    2014 2015

    Moore  2014 2015  16, 17, 18, 19

    Archer 2014 2015  16, 17, 18 19 (last arb)

    A Cobb 2014 2015  16, 17 (last arb)

    Hellick 2014 2015  16 (last arb)

    Niemann 2014 (last arb)

    J Ordorizzi (pre-arb)

     

    C   Lobaton (2017 last arb)

    1B  (Free Agent)

    2B Zobrist (to 2015)

    3B Longoria (signed to 2023, pretty cheap until 2020)

    SS Escobar (club options until 2015)

    LF DeJesus (2014)/Fuld arb to 2016)

    CF Jennings (arbs 2015 to 2017

    RF W Myers (arbs from 2015 to 2018)

    DH M Joyce (arb to 2015)

    Subs: S Rodriguez (arb to 2015), Beckham, Lee, Guyer, Gimenez

    Pen: Peralta (to 2017 option), J McGee (prearb), A Torres (prearb), C Ramos (pre-arb), Colome (pre-arb), J Wright (pre-arb), several others

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    Price still has 2 arb years. His injury this year may keep his numbers down enough to make him affordable for one more year, but I do think the Rays will deal him before he walks after 2015. If they do as well as they did with Shields and Garza, they should get a boost from those players at some point after 2015.

    They can afford Longoria for several more years. He's under $15M until 2021. They will probably deal him in 2020. That's a long way away.

    Zobrist has a $7M and $7.5M club option for 2014 and 2015. That's a steal. Capitalism at it's best.

    They have Moore locked up at a very low cost until 2019.

    Y Escobar has 2 seasons at $5M club options.

    D DeJesus has a $6.5M club option for 2014 with a $1.5M buyout.

    Peralta has a $3M, $2.5M, $2.5M and $2.5M club option for the next 4 years.

    Jeff Niemann returns from injury next year at a low arb cost

    The players who will be free agents this year?

    Jesse Crain ($4.5M), Roberto Hernandez ($3.25M), Luke Scott ($2.75M), Fernando Rodney ($2.5M), Kelly Johnson ($2.5M), James Loney ($2M), Jose Molina ($1.8M)

    I see their team looking pretty well set for years to come:

    Rotation:

    Price    2014 2015

    Moore  2014 2015  16, 17, 18, 19

    Archer 2014 2015  16, 17, 18 19 (last arb)

    A Cobb 2014 2015  16, 17 (last arb)

    Hellick 2014 2015  16 (last arb)

    Niemann 2014 (last arb)

    J Ordorizzi (pre-arb)

     

    C   Lobaton (2017 last arb)

    1B  (Free Agent)

    2B Zobrist (to 2015)

    3B Longoria (signed to 2023, pretty cheap until 2020)

    SS Escobar (club options until 2015)

    LF DeJesus (2014)/Fuld arb to 2016)

    CF Jennings (arbs 2015 to 2017

    RF W Myers (arbs from 2015 to 2018)

    DH M Joyce (arb to 2015)

    Subs: S Rodriguez (arb to 2015), Beckham, Lee, Guyer, Gimenez

    Pen: Peralta (to 2017 option), J McGee (prearb), A Torres (prearb), C Ramos (pre-arb), Colome (pre-arb), J Wright (pre-arb), several others

    Sox4ever



    Moon, you got way too much time on your hands man. This research proves exactly what? It took them a decade to get into the position they are in now. This class organization sucked for so long it would have been nearly impossible not to improve with all the top draft picks they got. Trouble with that is, when you stop sucking you dont get the picks you once did, and therefore must have a good revenue stream to maintain the escalting cost of FA's who grow up into adults and want to be paid. Especially when you consider that eventually there will be more Sam Fulds than Evan Longorias. This is why they didnt sign Crawford, and this is why they traded Shields. You can throw all the figures and contract status you want at me, and it wont change the fact that without more money than they currently have, they will not meet the arc they are currently on. And by the way, why is it that every time I mention something about socialism in any of these forums, someone tells me I dont know what it is? How could they possibly know whether I do or dont know based on my use of the word? Socialism is, in spite of all the nice dressing people in our society currently like to put on it, very briefly, defined as: "the redistribution of wealth".

     
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    I just get sick of reading the drooling love fests in this forum by Red Sox fans towards Tampa Bay. Just what exactly have they ever accomplished? They made it to the World Series one time in 2008, beating a Boston team racked with injuries (if even Josh Beckett had been healthy they dont get past Boston) and then got thumped by Philadelphia. Theyve been knocked out in the first round pretty much every other year, and only got in in 2011 out of sheer, blind, dumb luck because of Boston's historic collapse and a NY team that blew a 7-0 lead on the last day because they pulled all their starters. Just where does this total and incomparable genius come into play in the real win/loss column? The Red Sox have two world championships in the last 9 years, how many does Tampa with their innovative front office and genius manager have? Some of you also seem to be assuming that all their decisions will turn up pure gold just because some of them have in the recent past. Reminds me of stories Ive read about the Army of the Potomac when Grant took over. It was "Bobby Lee this" and "Bobby Lee that" and Grant had finally heard enough. "Everywhere I go I hear about Bobby Lee. You'd think he was going to do a double sommersault and land in our rear. Why dont you stop thinking about what hes going to do to you and start thinking about what you are going to do to him?". Im sick of the driveling mess on this forum about Tampa's greatness. Show me the hardware. 

     

     
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    Getting tickets 20 rows behind first base at Tropicana Field is as easy as ordering a cup of coffee at Dunkin Donuts.   LOL

    Waiting in line to order food at Fenway: At least ten mins

    Waiting in line to order food at Tropicana Field: At least 1 minute   LOL

     

     
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    Tampa Bay Rays 75-61, 2nd in AL Eastern Division Angel Stadium of Anaheim, Anaheim, California Yesterday, 9:05 PM (ET)

    Tampa Bay Rays (75-61)   Los Angeles Angels (64-72)  

    2 - 11

     

     
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    Moon, you got way too much time on your hands man. This research proves exactly what? It took them a decade to get into the position they are in now.

    Now?

    Try since 2008. 

    This class organization sucked for so long it would have been nearly impossible not to improve with all the top draft picks they got.

    Impossible?

    Look at other teams who have been bottom feeders for over a decade. Yes, some have improved, but most of them have higher payrolls. Several are still at the bottom, so I don't buy the "impossible" label.

     

    Trouble with that is, when you stop sucking you dont get the picks you once did, and therefore must have a good revenue stream to maintain the escalting cost of FA's who grow up into adults and want to be paid.

    They did continue to get many comp picks long after they stopped sucking. That may slow down as the rules changed. They also seem to trade players before the go FA, and that has been their main method for improving or staying competitive... not drafting.

     

    Especially when you consider that eventually there will be more Sam Fulds than Evan Longorias.

    I totally disagree. They just picked up Myers, Odorizzi, and Montgomery from KC. They also have Moore, Cobb and Archer. Jennings, H-J Lee, and many other ML ready or near ML ready young players that rate to be much better than Fuld. Fuld isn't even a starter.

     

    This is why they didnt sign Crawford, and this is why they traded Shields. You can throw all the figures and contract status you want at me, and it wont change the fact that without more money than they currently have, they will not meet the arc they are currently on.

    They have not been on an arc for 5 years. They have been steady. They have been trading star players during these 5 years and not missed a beat. They did not do this by signing big-named FAs. They did it by signing low cost FAs that have performed well, and by bringing up players they traded for years ago. That does not seem to be ending. Like I said, they still have young players from previous trades about ready to fill the gaps of the next players traded or lost to free agency. There appears no end in sight.

     

    And by the way, why is it that every time I mention something about socialism in any of these forums, someone tells me I dont know what it is? How could they possibly know whether I do or dont know based on my use of the word? Socialism is, in spite of all the nice dressing people in our society currently like to put on it, very briefly, defined as: "the redistribution of wealth".

    No, it isn't even close to that. Socialism does not take wealth from others and give it to someone else. It does not "re" distribute wealth.  Even Communism isn't supposed to be about "re"distribution, although that has happened several times. Here's Webster...

    any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

     It says nothing about taking existing wealth and redistributing it. Baseball is a unique business. Teams need other teams to exist. Burger King does not need McDonalds to stay in business. Two teams need to be on the field at all times. Two teams are being watched on TV. Much of that revenue is not shared as a Capitalistic model would suggest it should be. Imagine if the Rolling Stones only got paid if they played in England, but were forced to play in other countries. If they did receive money for playing in NY, would that be Socialism? Revenue sharing in MLB does not even come close to giving small market teams their fair share of the pie. Local TV contract money are not shared with the opposing team directly. Who do you know who does something that millions of peaople pay to watch and doesn't make a penny? Revenue sharing is perhaps just a fraction of what is really fair.

    Now, is it fair that some teams get this revenue and don't spend it on payroll or lowering ticket prices? That's a different issue all together. (I think they changed the rules about teams needing to spend revenue sharing on player payroll, or you lose it, but I may be wrong on this.)

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    I just get sick of reading the drooling love fests in this forum by Red Sox fans towards Tampa Bay...

    Then avoid threads like these.

    The Rays are our toughest division competition. Knowing them is part of understanding the game.

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    Generally speaking, part of being a sports fan is having a healthy hatred for certain opponents.  The Yankees have always been that team for the Sox.

    But since 2008 the Rays have emerged as probably the next-most-hated team after the Yankees.  Part of this is that they have simply given us a hard time year-in year-out since 2008.

    But what's also happened, I think, is that the Rays have developed their own unique persona, as the low-budget team with the super-smart executives and the goofy genius manager.  And after having being exposed to this for a while now, and some might say having our noses rubbed in it, I think some resentment is understandable.

    So Viva la Hate for the Rays.  And may their current skid continue. 

     
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    Generally speaking, part of being a sports fan is having a healthy hatred for certain opponents.  The Yankees have always been that team for the Sox.

    But since 2008 the Rays have emerged as probably the next-most-hated team after the Yankees.  Part of this is that they have simply given us a hard time year-in year-out since 2008.

    But what's also happened, I think, is that the Rays have developed their own unique persona, as the low-budget team with the super-smart executives and the goofy genius manager.  And after having being exposed to this for a while now, and some might say having our noses rubbed in it, I think some resentment is understandable.

    So Viva la Hate for the Rays.  And may their current skid continue. 



    The Rays certainly have serious issues. The lack of fans is perhaps first and foremost. Living in an area (SW Houston) where most people have moved into from other states makes it hard to scratch out a fanbase. I do think they need to move, but that's my own view.

    The Rays are the model for small market teams. You don't compete on this level for 5 years without having something that others don't have. Yes, multiple number one draft picks helped jump start the Rays, but clearly their GM and manager have done a superb job of getting the most out of what they have. Just look at their firstbase position in recent years: cast offs like Carlos pena, Kotchman, and now Loney have had near career years with the Rays and not even close before or after. Their pen has been a revolving door, but has mostly got the job done. Their bread & butter has obviously been the rotation, and that is something I have always believed in. As long as they have very good starters, they will be near the top. That looks like it will be like that for at least 3 more years.

     
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    The Rays are the model for small market teams. You don't compete on this level for 5 years without having something that others don't have. Yes, multiple number one draft picks helped jump start the Rays, but clearly their GM and manager have done a superb job of getting the most out of what they have.



    Still hate 'em. Smile

     

     
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    RS 149 runs

    Rays 89 runs last in AL only Miami and SD worse in MLB




    Wow. 60 run differential. Would have never of guessed that.

     
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    Rays also have a tv deal expiring in a couple years and while attendance is down they do VERY well in the ratings surprisingly so I suspect they will have more money to play with.  The Rays may truly "not be going anywhere"

     



    Sales of cow bells to go are skyrocketing in the Tampa area. 

     



    Unfortunately,  they give them noisemakers away FREE at the door.  Annoying as all get out.  They handed me one at the gate,  I dropped it to the ground,  and stomped on it!!  Hate going to that park,  but I live in Orlando.

     
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    Moon, you got way too much time on your hands man. This research proves exactly what? It took them a decade to get into the position they are in now.

    Now?

    Try since 2008. 

         "Now" meaning the winning trend that developed in 2008, not right this very minute. 

    This class organization sucked for so long it would have been nearly impossible not to improve with all the top draft picks they got.

    Impossible?

    Look at other teams who have been bottom feeders for over a decade. Yes, some have improved, but most of them have higher payrolls. Several are still at the bottom, so I don't buy the "impossible" label.

         I said "nearly" impossible, not impossible. Meaning, yes, they hve shown an ability to scout effectively. More than that, they have hit more often than not, and the law of averages dictates this will not continue indefinitely. 

     

    Especially when you consider that eventually there will be more Sam Fulds than Evan Longorias.

    I totally disagree. They just picked up Myers, Odorizzi, and Montgomery from KC. They also have Moore, Cobb and Archer. Jennings, H-J Lee, and many other ML ready or near ML ready young players that rate to be much better than Fuld. Fuld isn't even a starter.

    Fuld not being a starter proves what Im trying to say. 

     

    They have not been on an arc for 5 years. They have been steady. They have been trading star players during these 5 years and not missed a beat. They did not do this by signing big-named FAs. They did it by signing low cost FAs that have performed well, and by bringing up players they traded for years ago. That does not seem to be ending. Like I said, they still have young players from previous trades about ready to fill the gaps of the next players traded or lost to free agency. There appears no end in sight.

     

         No end in sight? Really? I dont see it moon. And where do you get this five years thing?  The "steady" is the arc Im talking about. In  order to stay up where they have been, theyve had to hit mostly home runs on their trades and picks, and this cant continue. What Im saying is there is no way they can maintain having players like Price and keep them with the money they have. And, you cant keep trading off proven veterans and keep expecting to jump from Joe Montana to Steve Young every single time. Just the law of averages alone would dictate that they are going to miss more than hit on future prospects because of the hits theyve already gotten. If a batter is hitting .500 at the end of May, do we assume he will be there at the end of Sepetember? And just what end "isnt in sight"? The end of being a regular season nuisnace that never wins it all because they cant afford to have the full compliment of players you need to pull it off? If the end of that isnt in sight, theyre welcomed to it. Again, show me the hardware, show me the championship result of all this brilliance and plucky, underdog  fortitude.

     

    No, it isn't even close to that. Socialism does not take wealth from others and give it to someone else. It does not "re" distribute wealth.  Even Communism isn't supposed to be about "re"distribution, although that has happened several times. Here's Webster...

    any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    It says nothing about taking existing wealth and redistributing it. Baseball is a unique business. Teams need other teams to exist. Burger King does not need McDonalds to stay in business. Two teams need to be on the field at all times. Two teams are being watched on TV. Much of that revenue is not shared as a Capitalistic model would suggest it should be. Imagine if the Rolling Stones only got paid if they played in England, but were forced to play in other countries. If they did receive money for playing in NY, would that be Socialism? Revenue sharing in MLB does not even come close to giving small market teams their fair share of the pie. Local TV contract money are not shared with the opposing team directly. Who do you know who does something that millions of peaople pay to watch and doesn't make a penny? Revenue sharing is perhaps just a fraction of what is really fair.

         That Webster's definition is all fine and good, but the PRACTICAL application of that is the government controling business and wealth so that they can RE-DISTRIBUTE IT as they see fit, even if it means putting in their own pockets. Just what do you think "governmental ownership" means, and what is its intended end and practical application? Redistribution of wealth (and by extension power and control) is the goal, definitions like that are the means its made more palatable and reasonable so people will vote for it. But since the "book definition" doesnt mention redistribution of wealth, Im sure the powers that be would NEVER use it to that end. I mean, Socialism and Communism have always worked so well, why not stick with the book definitions?  "All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others." That is Socialism, and all the fancy definitions arent going to cover it. 

    Now, is it fair that some teams get this revenue and don't spend it on payroll or lowering ticket prices? That's a different issue all together. (I think they changed the rules about teams needing to spend revenue sharing on player payroll, or you lose it, but I may be wrong on this.)

         Now THIS I agree with Moon, but the beauty of my position is that I can hate the Rays and pull against them. In order for you to be right, they have to beat the Red Sox, or at least beat someone and continue to be a nuisance perpetually. So if they beat us in the PS, you can come on here and say "I told you so" while you cry in the beverage of your choice about the Sox.

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    Re: Rs vs Rays stunning Aug stat

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    Rays also have a tv deal expiring in a couple years and while attendance is down they do VERY well in the ratings surprisingly so I suspect they will have more money to play with.  The Rays may truly "not be going anywhere"

     



    Sales of cow bells to go are skyrocketing in the Tampa area. 

     

     



    Unfortunately,  they give them noisemakers away FREE at the door.  Annoying as all get out.  They handed me one at the gate,  I dropped it to the ground,  and stomped on it!!  Hate going to that park,  but I live in Orlando.

     

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    haha did you? Seriously? Please tell me you had a friend with an iphone filming it!

     
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