Rumors of Papi's Demise Have Been Greatly Exaggerated !

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    SON, I don't know how you do it, but this Jenny, JENNY DELL thing is the HOTTEST THREAD on the board"  !!!

     


    Sorry Bill....


    Think this thread beats it. 

    Now take your JENNY,JENNY DELL and go to SHRIMP COUNTRY.

     
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    Thanks for bringing this to the top, It shows how this whole Papi bashing has been ongoing.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Thanks for bringing this to the top, It shows how this whole Papi bashing has been ongoing.




    Laughing

    Getting closer to the one year mark!

     
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    Thanks for bringing this to the top, It shows how this whole Papi bashing has been ongoing.

     




    Laughing

     

    Getting closer to the one year mark!



    The Papi bashing actually started many many years ago.

     

     
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    Thanks for bringing this to the top, It shows how this whole Papi bashing has been ongoing.

     




    Laughing

     

    Getting closer to the one year mark!



    The Papi bashing actually started many many years ago.

     

    BDC is actually pleased with the longgevity of this thread !!




    Do you have a link to that?

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:

    In response to HailToTheKing's comment:

    Hey Bill......who do you like more...Bill Russel or Larry Bird?  Just curious......

      Both were great players and did a lot of good for the N B A & the Boston Celtics !!!!   




    Good answer Bill. How can you choose? Both epitomized team play, both made their teammates better. Russ was a defensive genius, Bird an offensive genius.

    Bill, I know you are not a racist and frankly I'm tired of people trying to label you one. You are, however, a Papi basher and I really don't know why. He's no Manny, after all. His 2013 performance should have earned him more respect than you are giving him.

     
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    In response to devildavid's comment:

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    Hey Bill......who do you like more...Bill Russel or Larry Bird?  Just curious......

      Both were great players and did a lot of good for the N B A & the Boston Celtics !!!!   




    Good answer Bill. How can you choose? Both epitomized team play, both made their teammates better. Russ was a defensive genius, Bird an offensive genius.

    Bill, I know you are not a racist and frankly I'm tired of people trying to label you one. You are, however, a Papi basher and I really don't know why. He's no Manny, after all. His 2013 performance should have earned him more respect than you are giving him.



    I'm still amazed at all the championships Bill helped his teams win- from college to the NBA.

    Back-to-back NCAA & NBA championships and 11 NBA championships out of 13 seasons. That makes 12 championships out of 14 seasons!

    WOW!

    ( Note: I'm not a Celts fan, but Bill was "the man".)

     
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    May this thread never leave the front page.

    I sure enjoyed that .300/.400/.550, 30-homer, 100-RBI season from our punch-and-judy guy / designated banjo player.

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:

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    May this thread never leave the front page.

    I sure enjoyed that .300/.400/.550, 30-homer, 100-RBI season from our punch-and-judy guy / designated banjo player.

    Hope that you took a picture, may not see it again !!!




    Bill.  You s*^k.  Period.  

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:

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    May this thread never leave the front page.

    I sure enjoyed that .300/.400/.550, 30-homer, 100-RBI season from our punch-and-judy guy / designated banjo player.

    Hope that you took a picture, may not see it again !!!





    Perhaps not...at 38, there would be no shame in that. I don't think anyone here would have guessed a few years ago that Papi would still be producing the way he is; the so-called "twilight of his career" has truly blazed brilliantly.

    It's a shame you've spent those years trying to tear him down at every opportunity.

     
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    It's a shame you've spent those years trying to tear him down at every opportunity.

    ...and he still is, even after all the recent heroics.

     
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    Red Sox, Rich Hill Agree To Minor League Deal By  Steve Adams [January 31 at 3:45pm CST]

    The Red Sox and lefty Rich Hill have agreed to a minor league deal that will pay Hill $840K should he make the Major League roster, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter). The ACES client also has another $500K worth of appearance-based incentives built into his deal as well as a pair of opt-out clauses, which fall on May 15 and June 30. The soon-to-be 34-year-old can become a free agent on either of those dates if he is not on Boston's 25-man roster.

     
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    From MLBTR...

    • The Red Sox are wary about making too long a commitment to 38-year-old David Ortiz given how aging designated hitters can so quickly decline, Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald writes.  Ortiz is under contract through 2014 and recently said he would like another year added to his contract.  While Ortiz's age is a concern, Lauber notes that if the Red Sox don't extend Ortiz and he has another big season, the Sox will then be forced to sign him through at least 2016 to keep him in Boston.
     
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    Three questions:

    1) Is a 3 year sample size large enough to project a player's performance going forward?

       YES

     

    2) Are these 3 year numbers good enough for everyone here?

    Years    PA      OBP/SLG/OPS

    02-04  1644    .365/.570/.935

    05-07  2066    .418/.629/1.038

    08-10  1724    .356/.498/.854

    11-13  1588    .401/.571/.972

     

    The last 3 years combined, Papi has been closer to his his best stretch (05-07) than his strecth from ages 32-34 ('08-'10). He's even almost 40 points better than his age 26-28 years ('02-'04).

     

    Out of all MLB since 2011 (226 qualified players):

    1) Miggy 1.036

    2) Ortiz   .972

    3) Braun  .971

    4) Votto   .962

    5) Trout   .948

    6) Bautista .944

    7) Fielder   .911

    8) Tulo       .911

    9) Kemp    .906

    10) C Gon  .906

    11) Cano   .904

    12) Stanton .903

    13) Beltre   .898

    14) McCtch  .895

    15) Napoli   .895

     

    25) AGon  .857

     

    41) Ellsb   .825

     

    46) Pedroia .816

     

    81) Gomes  .781

    82) Victorino .780

     

    101) Salty   .763  (9th best catcher OPS)

     

      YES

     

     

    3) Does Papi's age and condition (looking better than ever recently) significantly lessen the projected output over the next year or two?

      I say NO, not significantly.

     

     

     
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    I'm still amazed at all the championships Bill helped his teams win- from college to the NBA.

    Back-to-back NCAA & NBA championships and 11 NBA championships out of 13 seasons. That makes 12 championships out of 14 seasons!

    WOW!

    ( Note: I'm not a Celts fan, but Bill was "the man".)



    Bill Russell is my all-time favorite athlete and I am a huge Celtics fan. There hasn't been a better defensive player in basketball than the genius Russell.

     
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    While Ortiz's age is a concern, Lauber notes that if the Red Sox don't extend Ortiz and he has another big season, the Sox will then be forced to sign him through at least 2016 to keep him in Boston.




    This is an excellent point...and another strong argument in favor of just getting a one-year extension done this spring.

     
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    While Ortiz's age is a concern, Lauber notes that if the Red Sox don't extend Ortiz and he has another big season, the Sox will then be forced to sign him through at least 2016 to keep him in Boston.




    This is an excellent point...and another strong argument in favor of just getting a one-year extension done this spring.



    I agree, but the flipside argument begs to be made: if he has an off year, we may be kicking ourselves next year.

    I think we should extend Papi right after the season starts, so as not to mess with the luxury limit budget numbers, but if Sox management chooses not to, I can understand why.

     
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    I agree, but the flipside argument begs to be made: if he has an off year, we may be kicking ourselves next year.

    I think we should extend Papi right after the season starts, so as not to mess with the luxury limit budget numbers, but if Sox management chooses not to, I can understand why.



    I say extend him no matter what. I think of this like Schilling's contract. But in this case, I don't think Papi will be taking money for nothing. He has earned another year, future performance be damned.

     
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    It's a shame you've spent those years trying to tear him down at every opportunity.

    ...and he still is, even after all the recent heroics.




    Bill seems to have an issue with our World Series MVPs. First Manny, now Papi. I wonder where he stood on Mike Lowell.

     
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    It's a shame you've spent those years trying to tear him down at every opportunity.

    ...and he still is, even after all the recent heroics.




    Bill seems to have an issue with our World Series MVPs. First Manny, now Papi. I wonder where he stood on Mike Lowell.



    I'll make a wager that he loved the Lowell extension.

    2013 Red Sox World Series OPS:

    1.948 Ortiz

    .599  Ellsbury

    .594 Bogaerts

    .580 Gomes

    .543 Victorino

    .532 Pedroia

    .506 Pedroia

    .445 Napoli

    .438 Ross

    .357 Nava

    Papi's OPS is just about as high as the next two guys combined.

     

    Playoffs combined:

    1.206 Ortiz

    .893 Bogey

    .846 Ellsbury

    .742 Napoli

    .647 Victorino

    .629 Ross

    .587 Pedey

    .557 Gomes

    .526 Nava

    .490 Middy

    .476 Salty

    .344 Drew

    Papi was over 300 points higher than the next guy.

     

     
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    Here's an interesting view:

    Papi in 2013 (Regular Season + Playoffs)

    PA: 667

    AB: 569

    H:  178

    BB: 92

    2B: 41

    3B: 2

    HR: 35

    RBI 116

    BA:  .312

    OBP: .405

    SLG: .594

    OPS: .999

     

    Add 2012 to these numbers:

    PA: 1050

    AB: 893

    H: 281

    BB: 148

    2B: 64

    3B:  2

    HR: 58

    RBI: 176

    BA: .315

    OBP: .409

    SLG: .598

    SLG: 1.007

     

    That's a pretty significant sample size.

     
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