Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

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    Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    Wow, didnt realize that. Salty is showing some of the pop they talked about year s ago. 
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    Finding a good catcher is probably one of the most difficult positions to fill in pro sports, but lets not compare Salty and Gonzo as hitters at this point.  I'll say if Salty can keep up what he has done so far, eveyone will be happy.
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    great research, would have never guessed that. i love tek as much as the next guy and really feel comfortable with him..... AS A BACKUP. salty is starting to show pop. let the kid play
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    VTek and Salty are in the team's top 5 OPS guys for the last 28 days.
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    No, "pop" means only HRs not doubles: softy told us so.
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    why would anyone be unhappy that Salty is hitting better? unless someone has an axe to grind?
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    Right now he looks like a pretty good acquisition, but it worries me that Buchholz shakes him off numerous times during a game--almost every pitch. 
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    always like Salty - he was well worth the risk - we are not talking about a 45 year old diva pitcher making 10 million a yr after all...
     
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    In Response to Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's:
    [QUOTE]Right now he looks like a pretty good acquisition, but it worries me that Buchholz shakes him off numerous times during a game--almost every pitch. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    Buch shakes every catcher off..nothing new or anything to worry yourself over..
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    Maybe early in the game Buch should have listened more to Salty.
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    In Response to Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's:
    [QUOTE]Right now he looks like a pretty good acquisition, but it worries me that Buchholz shakes him off numerous times during a game--almost every pitch. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]He does the same thing to Tek. Francona even made light of how much he does it to cacther in the media at one point. It was during a 14 base runners allowed appearance this year which Buch managed to win BTW.

    Beckett shakes Tek off a lot too. And there is no lack of respect or rapport between those two, The catcher has to go by the scouting reports, the pre-game plan and any adjustments based on what he sees. The pitcher has all that at his disposal too plus only he knows how the ball is feeling coming out of his hand. The right pitch to throw isn't always the right pitch to throw in that appearance because of the pitchers confidence in his command. Sometimes the catcher is wrong, sometimes the pitcher is wrong.

    Just this season Tek, who is by all accounts as good as it gets called for two consecutive breaking ballsand set the target middle down for Aceves. The second one hung and the ball left the park so fast it called Logan for a flight plan. After that, for the rest of the appearance, Aceves shook of Tek a lot and it became comical because for the life of him Jason could not guess what Aceves was thinking and they had to run through signs a whole bunch.

    For all the pre-game data matters in the end the ability of the pitcher to exceute and the hitter not winning the guessing game are the keys to pitch calling IMHO. It is the right pitch until the pitcher misses with it in the middle of zone or the hitter sat on it.  

    IMO where a young catcher or a catcher new to a staff will lag behind isn't as much the pitch calling itself as many pitchers take a strong role in that. It is being able to point out to that pitcher if there is a small mechanical flaw, like their shoulder flying open, tipping their pitches etc. They also influence the pace of the game though the pitcher has the ball and will in the end control that. Knowng when to go to the mound, when to take a bit of extra time to set up between pitches and when to snap the ball back in a hurry to keep the pace moving. Time with the staff and in game experience are great aids in that pursuit and then of course there is the whole issue of "leadership". Just like some QBs walk into the huddle and just have it and others have to earn it and grow it, while some never do it is very similar for a catcher and his pitching partner.

    Where Salty needed work and still needs some is more true "defensive". He has a big five hole, he tries to use his hands rather than his body to get the errant pitch too often and he doesn't have the hands of the Molina Bros. and they get burnt doing it. His framing of pitches isn't as polished as some catchers. And his consistency make the throws to second and third are well documented too. These are all things that are in his control.

    Short sample set splits can be very deceptive but as far as hitting goes if Salty gets enough MLB PAs without worrying about losing his job the RS believe his offense will come IMHO. 

     
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    Brilliant defensive play in the 9th inning to throw out Matusi and keep the game aive. Then a huge hit in the 11th. Im liking how this kid is developing. 
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    Is Salty the new Pedey?
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    Even though defense and handling pitchers is more important, the fans are  beginning to be OK with our catchers now that they are starting to hit:

    Last 28 days (not counting today):

    Salty  .886
    VTek  .943 OPS

    Last 14 days:
    VTek 1.304
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    The guys only 26 too. He has plenty of time to learn the defensive end. Any catcher who can hit 15-20 hrs and drive in 60-80 rbi is a huge bonus IMO. He could turn out to be a great catch. 
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    it is interesting...another $140+ mil for a good singles, line drive hitter
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    Another nice game (3 HITS) from Salty today. Howew many catcher have 5HRs so far?
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

    We now have 2 catchers with a .900+ OPS the last 28 days.
     
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    Who'd a thunk it?
     
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    Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Salty 5 hrs in 118 AB's - Gonzo 10 hrs in 236 AB's : He does the same thing to Tek. Francona even made light of how much he does it to cacther in the media at one point. It was during a 14 base runners allowed appearance this year which Buch managed to win BTW. Beckett shakes Tek off a lot too. And there is no lack of respect or rapport between those two, The catcher has to go by the scouting reports, the pre-game plan and any adjustments based on what he sees. The pitcher has all that at his disposal too plus only he knows how the ball is feeling coming out of his hand. The right pitch to throw isn't always the right pitch to throw in that appearance because of the pitchers confidence in his command. Sometimes the catcher is wrong, sometimes the pitcher is wrong. Just this season Tek, who is by all accounts as good as it gets called for two consecutive breaking ballsand set the target middle down for Aceves. The second one hung and the ball left the park so fast it called Logan for a flight plan. After that, for the rest of the appearance, Aceves shook of Tek a lot and it became comical because for the life of him Jason could not guess what Aceves was thinking and they had to run through signs a whole bunch. For all the pre-game data matters in the end the ability of the pitcher to exceute and the hitter not winning the guessing game are the keys to pitch calling IMHO. It is the right pitch until the pitcher misses with it in the middle of zone or the hitter sat on it.   IMO where a young catcher or a catcher new to a staff will lag behind isn't as much the pitch calling itself as many pitchers take a strong role in that. It is being able to point out to that pitcher if there is a small mechanical flaw, like their shoulder flying open, tipping their pitches etc. They also influence the pace of the game though the pitcher has the ball and will in the end control that. Knowng when to go to the mound, when to take a bit of extra time to set up between pitches and when to snap the ball back in a hurry to keep the pace moving. Time with the staff and in game experience are great aids in that pursuit and then of course there is the whole issue of "leadership". Just like some QBs walk into the huddle and just have it and others have to earn it and grow it, while some never do it is very similar for a catcher and his pitching partner. Where Salty needed work and still needs some is more true "defensive". He has a big five hole, he tries to use his hands rather than his body to get the errant pitch too often and he doesn't have the hands of the Molina Bros. and they get burnt doing it. His framing of pitches isn't as polished as some catchers. And his consistency make the throws to second and third are well documented too. These are all things that are in his control. Short sample set splits can be very deceptive but as far as hitting goes if Salty gets enough MLB PAs without worrying about losing his job the RS believe his offense will come IMHO.   
    Posted by fivekatz[/QUOTE]


    This is a wonderful, thoughtful post. I wish you'd have said similar on the catcher's relevance thread.

    At various intervals, you justify a catcher's relevance to pitching. Much of what you say and far more explains the disparity some pitchers have with certain catchers. The fact you don't recognize the data or the consistency of it with certain catchers is a mystery to me.
     

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