Salty, You DO NOT Make That Throw

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    We should have walked the bases loaded.

    He might have been out with a perfect throw.

    Middy should have caught it.

    Middy was not in the baseline, so how did he impede anyone?

    The runner did not even trip over Middy's feet: he missed his raised feet.

    Salty made a great catch and tag on the play at the plate.

     

    Blaming this loss on Salty is typical BDC hogwash.



    Someone with sense and decent eye sight! Thank you

    by the way, we never deserved to win that game. Just saying 

     
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    Wait - Im not defending Salty BUT if Middlesucks catches that ball it's a guaranteed DP. And he should've caught that ball. Either out at third or at home. But it's a GUARANTEED dp with any minor league defense at 3rd

     

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    Replays show if he caught it, he's safe or tie goes to the runner. You don't take that chance.

     

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    If Middlesucks caught it the runners out at home!!! Although Willy probably would have thrown the ball into the stands going home

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    If Middy caught it, the runner does not run.

    Watch the replay. The runner takes a step off 3B towards 2B, then turns to trip over Middy who is not in the baseline, since he dove towards 2B out of the way.

    Bogus call.

     
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    Re: Salty, You DO NOT Make That Throw

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    We should have walked the bases loaded.

    He might have been out with a perfect throw.

    Middy should have caught it.

    Middy was not in the baseline, so how did he impede anyone?

    The runner did not even trip over Middy's feet: he missed his raised feet.

    Salty made a great catch and tag on the play at the plate.

     

    Blaming this loss on Salty is typical BDC hogwash.

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    It was a total team loss. However, Salty is the main reason they scored that run. Denying it is silly.

     
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    Risk, reward. Closer on mound and two outs. That throw was completely unnecessary.

    He should not play the rest of the series. Dumb.

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    Yeah, throwing it was a bad decision for sure but Middlebrooks should've caught that ball.  The throw was into the runner just a bit but it wasn't that bad.  You've got Pedroia laying out for that grounder to start the play and Middlebrooks can't reach out a little for a throw?  Looked clueless at third and at the plate tonight.

     

     
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    haha if that were the red sox at bat and the ump made a no call and the sox get called out at home EVERYONE would be calling for interference and for the ump's head. gotta love hypocritical boston fans.

    salty made an error. boston deserved to lose, and they did.

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    Try watching the play.

    What a few biased Sox fans would have been saying had the call been made for them has nothing to do with the truth.

    Middy dove towards 2B and was out of the baseline on the ground.

    The runner takes a step off 3B towards 2B not home. he turns towards home and is himself out of the baseline.

    He pushes off Middy to get up and never trips over Middy's raised feet.

    He trips over a player who is not in the baseline.

    No interference.

    Period.

     
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    The telling statement:

    Joyce said afterwards, "The runner was on the chalk when he got up".

    Totally false. The runner popped up from the slideinto 3B and stepped towards 2B not home.

    Middy was out of the baseline that runs from 3B to home. There's no way you can obstruct a runner if you yourself are not in the baseline.

     

     
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    The runner decided and chose proactively for whatever reason to run into the fielder.  He had a perfectly clear path to home plate and he chose not to take it.

     
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    if we're gonna play the period game then SOX LOST.. PERIOD

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    Yes they did lose. They may have lost anyways, even with the right call, but be honest: they blew the call.

    Period and exclamation mark!

     
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    Re: Salty, You DO NOT Make That Throw

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    The runner decided and chose proactively for whatever reason to run into the fielder.  He had a perfectly clear path to home plate and he chose not to take it.

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    I don't think he really "chose" that path. His pop-up slid took him towards 2B- the same direction Middy had to dive to try and stop the throw.

    Regardless, the runner was not in the basepath to home. How often does any runner go from 3B to home on the infield grass? His first step with his left foot was on the IF grass.

     
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    Wait - Im not defending Salty BUT if Middlesucks catches that ball it's a guaranteed DP. And he should've caught that ball. Either out at third or at home. But it's a GUARANTEED dp with any minor league defense at 3rd

     

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    Replays show if he caught it, he's safe or tie goes to the runner. You don't take that chance.

     

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    If Middlesucks caught it the runners out at home!!! Although Willy probably would have thrown the ball into the stands going home

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    If Middy caught it, the runner does not run.

    Watch the replay. The runner takes a step off 3B towards 2B, then turns to trip over Middy who is not in the baseline, since he dove towards 2B out of the way.

    Bogus call.

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    That is my question.  Craig clearly makes his first step towards 2nd base, he could've avoided Middlebrooks.

     
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    The telling statement:

    Joyce said afterwards, "The runner was on the chalk when he got up".

    Totally false. The runner popped up from the slideinto 3B and stepped towards 2B not home.

    Middy was out of the baseline that runs from 3B to home. There's no way you can obstruct a runner if you yourself are not in the baseline.

     

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    I know the name Jim Joyce. And if I know the umpire's name, it's because he is horrible and/or has probably annoyed me with calls before. Time to put all the umpires we've known for years out to pasture.

     
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    Wait - Im not defending Salty BUT if Middlesucks catches that ball it's a guaranteed DP. And he should've caught that ball. Either out at third or at home. But it's a GUARANTEED dp with any minor league defense at 3rd

     

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    Replays show if he caught it, he's safe or tie goes to the runner. You don't take that chance.

     

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    If Middlesucks caught it the runners out at home!!! Although Willy probably would have thrown the ball into the stands going home

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    If Middy caught it, the runner does not run.

    Watch the replay. The runner takes a step off 3B towards 2B, then turns to trip over Middy who is not in the baseline, since he dove towards 2B out of the way.

    Bogus call.

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    That is my question.  Craig clearly makes his first step towards 2nd base, he could've avoided Middlebrooks.

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    He must be familiar with the obstruction call and wanted it called.

     
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    Why wasn't there more time to argue and possibly get the call right? It seemed like everyone just left as quickly as they could.

     
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    You cannot make that call to end a World Series game. Just terrible. However, the Sox are not blameless in this tough loss. A few points: Breslow looks very nervous in the World Series.  Middlebrooks has to get his glove down on Holiday's ball. Workman cannot be allowed to hit against Rosenthal. Napoli has to pinch hit.  Koji has to start the ninth. Speaking of Koji, he cannot start Craig with the fastball. When he has gotten hurt this year, it has usually been on first pitch fastballs. Craig was obviously looking for it. Salty cannot make that throw. There was little or no chance to get the runner , and there were now two outs. Since he did make it, Middlebrooks has to catch it. The obstruction call was totally wrong. A painful way to lose. But there were several Sox mistakes that led up to it. Somehow, we are going to have to get past it and come back strong. There is not much more that can be done in the way of changes. One possible move is to play Ross over Salty, who is having a horrible series. The only problem with that is that Salty is the starting catcher for a reason. All in all , he is better than Ross. But the way they both have played in the Series, Ross should probably get the call. Right now, we are in a tough spot. Time to step up and turn this around. The ideal scenario would be to come out smoking, put up some early runs and just blow them out in game four. Take the pressure off of Clay. We either do that or we can cry all winter about a bad call. What will it be ? 

     
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    Says it all. 

     
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    The thrown should not have been made.  The entire game was badly played,  and the umpires was not at their best to say the least.  The strike zone was all over the place for both teams.  However I am not sure if blaming Middlebrooks is the problem.  Drew not even coming close to fouling off a ball forced Farrell's hand.  He needs to step up as well as the top of the lineup.  

    As for that call, not sure you want to end a game on a call like that.   Every other sport swallows there whistles at the end of the game. It time for Joyce and West to go.  I believe they like to think the fans are there for them.  Joyce should have retired after the blown no-hitter call.

     
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    Joyce said after the game, "The runner was on the chalk".

    Implying he was in the baseline.

    He was not.'

    Middy was not.

    Bad call.

     
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    Joyce said after the game, "The runner was on the chalk".

    Implying he was in the baseline.

    He was not.'

    Middy was not.

    Bad call.

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    Middlebrooks lifting his legs up moved him entirely out of the basebath. 

     
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    You cannot make that call to end a World Series game. Just terrible. However, the Sox are not blameless in this tough loss. A few points: Breslow looks very nervous in the World Series.  Middlebrooks has to get his glove down on Holiday's ball. Workman cannot be allowed to hit against Rosenthal. Napoli has to pinch hit.  Koji has to start the ninth. Speaking of Koji, he cannot start Craig with the fastball. When he has gotten hurt this year, it has usually been on first pitch fastballs. Craig was obviously looking for it. Salty cannot make that throw. There was little or no chance to get the runner , and there were now two outs. Since he did make it, Middlebrooks has to catch it. The obstruction call was totally wrong. A painful way to lose. But there were several Sox mistakes that led up to it. Somehow, we are going to have to get past it and come back strong. There is not much more that can be done in the way of changes. One possible move is to play Ross over Salty, who is having a horrible series. The only problem with that is that Salty is the starting catcher for a reason. All in all , he is better than Ross. But the way they both have played in the Series, Ross should probably get the call. Right now, we are in a tough spot. Time to step up and turn this around. The ideal scenario would be to come out smoking, put up some early runs and just blow them out in game four. Take the pressure off of Clay. We either do that or we can cry all winter about a bad call. What will it be ? 

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    Sit Salty and Middlebrooks tomorrow night.  Bogaerts back to third and Drew at short. Yeah, Drew is completely hopeless with a bat in his hands but so are Salty and Middlebrooks and Drew is still playing a solid shortstop.  Maybe move Bogaerts up to number two in the lineup and move Victorino down.  He's only twenty-one but he seems to be handling the pressure just fine so far.

     
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    WOW. He might as well have been trying to get to the pitcher's mound.

     
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    The thrown should not have been made.  The entire game was badly played,  and the umpires was not at their best to say the least.  The strike zone was all over the place for both teams.  However I am not sure if blaming Middlebrooks is the problem.  Drew not even coming close to fouling off a ball forced Farrell's hand.  He needs to step up as well as the top of the lineup.  

    As for that call, not sure you want to end a game on a call like that.   Every other sport swallows there whistles at the end of the game. It time for Joyce and West to go.  I believe they like to think the fans are there for them.  Joyce should have retired after the blown no-hitter call.

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    So many missed chances.

    Bogey's first play after being moved to SS. (Amo for the "Drew for his D" crowd)

    The ball going under (not next to) Middy's glove for the hit that made it 4-2. Would Bogey have made that play?

    Ellsbury's dropped fly (no run scored).

    The bogus grazing HBP on Beltran with the elbow guard sticking out about an inch.

    Why let Workman hit and leave Napoli on the bench?

    Why didn't they walk the bases loaded before the big botched call? 

    If Salty holds the ball or makes a better throw.

    If Middy catches the ball.

    If the ump isn't blind.

     
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    Re: Salty, You DO NOT Make That Throw

    1- Terrible call. Horrible way to end a pivotal World Series game.  2- Salty should not have thrown the ball.  3-  Will has to catch it or , at least , knock it down.  4-  The umpire cannot make that call.  4- The Sox have to forget it and bounce back strong. 

     

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